Water baptism was only connected with one's savlation under the preaching of the Gospel of the Kingdom.
Water baptism will once again be connected with one's salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble, since Faith and Works will be necessary for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble (Rev. 14:9-12), and also since the Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the time of Jacob's trouble.
Another thing to keep in mind, water baptism is connected with salvation in pertaining to the Kingdom of Heaven (literal, physical, Jewish Kingdom). But it is not connected with salvation in pertaining to the Kingdom of God (Spiritual Kingdom: New Jerusalem, Mind of Christ, Glorified Body, etc.).
Dispensation theology with multiple different gospels is unbiblical.
The baptism of Mk 16:15, 16 is the baptism of the great commission, Mt 28:19,20; which has been commanded to all nations, every creature is water baptism administered by humans (disciples), it saves, it makes disciples and lasts till the end of the world. It is the one baptism that is in effect today, Eph 4:5.
chosenbyhim said:
John 3:5 does not teach water baptism for salvation.
Being born of water is referring to your physical birth.
Jn 3:5----------spirit+++++++born of water>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1cor12:13------spirit+++++++baptized>>>>>>>>>>>in the body
Both verses say the same thing. When the bible is allowed to speak for itself one can easily see "born of water" = "baptism"
Both verses are about the new birth, neither verse says anything about the physical birth.
chosenbyhim said:
Acts 2:38 is Doctrinally pointed at the Nation of Israel. It is not pointed to Gentile believers today.
This is a false idea od Dispensationalism. Again, the water baptism in the name of the Lord that peter commanded the Jews in Acts 2:38 is the exact same water baptism in the name of the Lord Peter commanded the Gentiles in Act 10:47,48
chosenbyhim said:
Col. 2:12 says that we are buried with him in baptism. It does not say water baptism. Therefore, it must be referring to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (1 Cor. 12:13) which is a spiritual baptisim.
In fact, you cannot find a mention of water within 10 chapters of either direction of the verses you just cited.
Col 2:12-14 says nothing about "spirit baptism". The baptism of Col 2:12-14 is water baptism, a "burial" in water one is "risen" from, the one baptism of Eph 4:5, the water baptism the eunuch in Acts 8 and Gentiles in Acts 10 were baptized with.
chosenbyhim said:
Galatians 3:27
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27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Again, Gal. 3:27 is referring to the spiritual Baptism where the Holy Ghost baptized us into Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 12:13) at the very moment of our conversion.
chosenbyhim said:
You have to rememebr seabass, that it is not water baptism that puts us into Jesus Christ. But it is the Holy Ghost which puts and places us into the Body of Jesus Christ.
Your claim about Col 2:12-14 was "it does not say water baptism" Well neither Col 2:12=14 or Gal 3:27 do not say "spirit baptism" either. THis baptism again is Christ's human administered water baptism of the great commission.
An important point to remember for proper exegesis is a word is to be taken literally unless the context shows it is being used figuratively. So baptize is to be taken as a literal immersion in water not some figurative 'spirit baptism"
F.F. Bruce says: “baptism in the New Testament is always baptism in water unless the context shows it to be something else; that is to say, the word is always to be understood literally unless the context indicates a figurative meaning” (Questions Answered, p. 106).
So the baptism of Col 2:12-14; Gal 3:27; Rom 6:3-5; etc are all LITERAL IMMERSIONS, NONE show aptism is being used figuratively.
chosenbyhim said:
Romans 6:3-5
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[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Once again Seabass; the Baptism which Paul writes about here is the Baptis of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13) where the Holy Spirit places us into Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:27). It is Spiritual baptism. Not water baptism.
You won't find any reference to 'water' within the passage of Romans 6 until you look 23 chapters back to Acts 11:16!
And the next reference of 'water' is not found until you get to Ephesians 5:26. That is about 50 chapters after Romans 6!!
You need to get the context of the passages which you are referencing sir. You also need to rightly divide your Bible.
ROm 6:3-6 says NOTHING about a "spirit baptism".
Again, as FF Bruce points out proper exegesis requires baptism to be understood as literal immersion in water and nothing in ROm 6 says baptism is be used figuratively. ROm 6:4 used the word "burial" and "raised up from" a literal burial in a watery grave one is raised up from to walk in newness of life. If this were baptism in the spirit, then one is buried in the spirit but the raised up FROM the spirit and would not maintain the spirit as some claim Also this water baptism of ROm 6 is that form of doctrine they obeyed from the heart, verse 17,18. Baptism with the HS has never been commanded to anyone so it cannot be obeyed, water baptism has commanded to all nations, every creature and can be obeyed.
chosenbyhim said:
1 Peter 3:20-21
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[SUP]20 [/SUP]which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. [SUP]21 [/SUP]The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Peter is showing here that the water which saved those eight souls during the time of the flood of the whole earth. The water is a LIKE FIGURE of the baptism which we partake of in this Dispensation.
Peter also shows that he is not referring to water baptism by writing in parenthesis "not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God."
The Baptism that saves us today is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. And that takes place at the moment of conversion (Rom. 6:3; 1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27).
The underlying word for "like figure" is antipolus meaning antitype, a mirror reflection. Peter makes an OT type to NT antitype:
OT type: saved by water v20
NT antitype: saved by water v21
The NT antitype being a MIRROR REFLECTION of the OT type. The world was flooded with literal water and people are baptized in literal water. And why would Peter talk about washing dirt from the flesh if he was not talking about literal water. One does not wash dirt from the flesh with spirit
chsenbyhim said:
The washing of regenration and renewing of the Holy Ghost is not at all talking about water baptism. It is talking about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Only the Holy Spirit can regenerate a person and give him a new nature.
Water baptism cannot regenerate anybody. Neither can water baptism give anyone a new nature.
Ephesians 5:26-27
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[SUP]26 [/SUP]that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, [SUP]27 [/SUP]that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
It is the washing of water by the word. The word of God.
Again, this is not referring to water baptism.
The church is cleansed and sanctified by the washing of water by the word of God.
Again, as FF Bruce says literal water baptism unless context shows it is used figuratively and Tts 3:5 nor EPh 5:26 use baptism in a figurative way.
Jn 3:5---------spirit+++++++++born of water>>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1cor12:13-----spirit+++++++++baptized>>>>>>>>>>>>in the body
Tts 3:5------holy Ghost+++++washing of reg>>>>>>>>>>saved
Eph 5:26-----word++++++++washing of water>>>>>>>>cleansed
Born of water = baptized = washing of reg. = washing of water.
The bible verse harmonize beautifully.
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John 17:15-18
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[SUP]15 [/SUP]I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. [SUP]16 [/SUP]They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. [SUP]18 [/SUP]As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
You should know this by now Seabass.
1 Cor. 12:13 is describing the Spiritual baptism of all believers. It is teaching us what happens to every man and woman the moment they beleive on the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, it is Spiritual Baptism that is being referenced in 1 Cor. 12:13. And not water baptism. [/QUOTE]
Jn 3:5----------spirit++++++++++++born of water>>>>>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1cor 12:13----spirit+++++++++++++baptized>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the body
When comparing two "new birth" verse born or water = baptized. Paul water baptized some of the Corinthians himself, 1 Cor 1:14,16. There is one baptism in effect, EPh 4:5 so the water baptism of 1 Cor 1:14,16 is the same baptism of 1 cor 12:13 which is Christ's human administered water baptism as administered by Paul.
