Why Learn the Old Testament

[pastac]

You cant have new without ever having old
just a thought

 

[p_rehbein]

You cant have new without ever having old
just a thought

Which is why I prefer to list them as First Testament and New Testament..............suppose that still indicates one is "older" than the other............ ???

 

[JaumeJ]

My own understanding is the "Gate" promised to Abraham to be possessed by his descendants is our Lord, Yeshua.

Those who consider the Laws of Torah as the Old Testament, in my humble esteem, are more hung up on the law than what they accuse others of, for the promise to Abraham, being our Salvation, is the same witness from Abraham until Christ's transfiguration. Promise completed and fulfillment of Moses and the Prophets, amen.

I love all the Word, and I believe it, though complete understanding is not something I may claim. Just enough to be content with the Word.

 

[p_rehbein]

My own understanding is the "Gate" promised to Abraham to be possessed by his descendants is our Lord, Yeshua.

Those who consider the Laws of Torah as the Old Testament, in my humble esteem, are more hung up on the law than what they accuse others of, for the promise to Abraham, being our Salvation, is the same witness from Abraham until Christ's transfiguration. Promise completed and fulfillment of Moses and the Prophets, amen.

I love all the Word, and I believe it, though complete understanding is not something I may claim. Just enough to be content with the Word.

Amen, but let us never grow so content with the understanding we now have that we cease to continue growing and learning in and of His Holy Word!

God bless you my Brother in Christ!

 

[JaumeJ]

Amen, and amen..

 

[chubbena]

What old testament? Do you mean what the writers of the gospels, the writer of the Acts, Paul's, James' and Peter's letters referred to as scripture and scriptures?

 

[p_rehbein]

What old testament? Do you mean what the writers of the gospels, the writer of the Acts, Paul's, James' and Peter's letters referred to as scripture and scriptures?

yeah..............you know..........them writings............

2nd Timothy 3:11) Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 .) Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 .) But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 .) But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 .) And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 .) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 .) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

At the time Paul wrote this, there was NO NEW TESTAMENT in PRINT...........so WHAT SCRIPTURES doya think he was speaking of?................hmmmmmmm

 

[Alligator]

Here you go.


Romans 15:4For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Foreshadows and types follow the one making the shadow. If someone (Yeshua) is standing in front of the sun and they are casting a shadow, if you are coming to him, what are you going to enter first? His shadow. When you understand His shadow (feasts and observances) and you continue in it, where does it lead you? To His feet. That’s what the commandments are designed to do.

 

[RedTent]

I don't think you can understand the NT without an understanding of the OT. Not a legalistic understanding, a rote understanding, but knowing the spiritual meaning of what it says. We are so separated from the culture of the people used to illustrate the spiritual that we need recent discovered history of those people to better understand. They lived almost 6,000 years ago.

For instance: what does saved by the blood of Jesus mean? We need to know what the shadow of the blood meant to fully understand. What does water mean in the spiritual sense that the NT talks of? We need to know what water meant in the OT to see how it was brought forward. Christ is our high priest, and what does it mean to us that He is our high priest? Again, we need to know what the OT says about the priest that went before Christ to fully understand.

Christ changed many things, but the spiritual principles of God stay the same, all of God is in the words "I am". God is one, God is eternal, God never changes. Scripture is a unit, telling of our God.

 

[homwardbound]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JaumeJ again.

I do as I see led to, do you need some for what? I do not, nor does anyone in all in all, for that can and many does lead to pride, and forsakes humility, in thinking one knows and by that pride does not
Yet am glad to give you rep Brother, why? Because I do sense and know you do care, seeing waht you see from your side on the bus ride we all are in to learn and grow in Father's miraculous love

 

[homwardbound]

How much of Moses does one need to know to 'believe' Jesus?
Moses is written in our hearts, it's called our conscience.
Even pagans know down deep they are guilty and hence do self sacrifices.

It's the Gospel that we need to rehear over and over because it is something that is extra-nos (outside us).

The rich man disbelieved Moses and many disbelieve their conscience believing everything is ok.

Tell me, how would we know that God loves us, without the Law of Moses to show us our needs?
Will you have a child, and not teach the Child by rules, Laws, letting the child know why what you say to do is what is best for that Child.
If the Child is left on it's own, how will it learn?
I am not talking about being literal, I am talking Spiritual. Yet it takes to listen as when I ate Ten Reeses Peanut butter cups and got sick. I was told not to, yet I could eat one and did not listen, got sick
Father came to me and looked at me and said you ate more than one didn't you?
I said yes now scared as well as being sick, thinking I was going to be punished, When Father then said no I need not punish you, you already punished you, being Sick
I turned and learned to listen.
Is that not what we are all learning from Father, to listen and thus do?

 

[homwardbound]

The more I study the more I see the NT quoting the OT. Turns out "New" does not mean original.

The Second Testament is the fulfillment of first from day one, Father is Merciful and clothed them. Then put them out to learn, truth from the error that they took on being like God knowing right from wrong
Reading it all is very insightful, if God permits, please Father permit as you see fit, for you have your reasons for those that are blinded to your amazing love, that has never changed. Just many different views that claim you are not righteous, when you are and this battle is one playing God, as if they are God and are as in knowing Good and evil, yet unfortunately picking evil selfishness in killing off others whether by word or deed to survive, which keeps one in death,
selfishness is what we all are guilty of you think?

 

[homwardbound]

"How can you say you believe Yeshua, Jesus, if you do not even know His Word from the beginning."

The thief on the cross next to Jesus had no problem saying it. Whether he knew His Word from the beginning isn't really the focus. Rather if he knows His WORD ( who is Jesus) in the present.

I believe that studying the whole Bible is beneficial, however God will call people to do His will in different ways.

Thanks Ariel as we all grow in God's grace, Father does all along know what is going on, thanks

 

[homwardbound]

There are lots of reasons to know the Old Testament, even if it is difficult for us to read. The people God used to explain to us lived so long ago our culture has changed, even words mean different things to us now. That is why God has helped us learn ancient history through archeology, now.

Jesus taught within the Hebrew culture, He constantly referred to that culture and teaching. We need to know what he was referring to.

Most of the people Jesus spoke to knew OT and Moses well, we have the scripture and Jesus expects us to know it well, too.

Jesus came to fulfill the law, it is difficult to understand if we don't know the law that He changed and fulfilled, or how He did that.

The bible is one book, not two, and the two parts of this book are completely intertwined. Over 3/4 of this book tells us what we need to know about Jesus before He lived as a man. Afterward, the book refers constantly to this time, we need to know what it refers to. The last chapter is a very short one, although a very satisfying one.

Like the last chapter in any book that wraps up all that went before, you can best understand the last chapter when you know what led up to it.

The first Testament is the Giant and when one takes the second Testament and marinades them together we have the midget (Second Testament) sitting on top of the Giants Shoulder and we can see all the way to Home, Heaven in Spirit and truth
Thanks redtent

 

[homwardbound]

I suppose it would be a good reason if one could actually find where "Jesus" was ever mentioned in the Torah, Prophets and the Writings.

Well not by name in the First Testament, but shown in the second Testament as in the order of Melchizedek
Hebrews 7 is one excellent place shown there

 

[homwardbound]

I apologize for the neglect. Emphasis on the law (should have included the prophets) was to call attention to the fact that Jesus deemed them eternal, and we need to understand them. You are right. He was the fulfillment of the law, but He did not change the law. In fact, the verses following Matthew 5:17 and 18 illustrate just how important they are.

The Law that is not fulfilled yet is in those that still need it to come to belief in the finished work of our Savior Jesus Christ. Complete as in seeing this truth it is finished
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, Itisfinished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

What he came to do he did, filled the Law and Prophets and then yelled out finished. what did this do by his death?

Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Can I, you or anyone make us or anyone any Holier, is it possible?

So if you beleive this and just that and walk away, is there anything left to get after agreeing God has done? what it says God has done?

Does death bring life, or is death plain death? Is there life in death?
Or is the new life Christ came to give in the resurrected Christ?
Who resurrected Christ?
Who are we presented to as Holy =, thanks to Christ?
So what are we in need of?
So are we going to ask Father, or not for this new life in Spirit and truth?
Leaving us dead to flesh sin, where by the cross all sin has been condemned to? Romans 8:3, states so.
And even in Romans it states this:
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

His resurrected life in Spirit and truth, praying we all see this?

 

[RedTent]

Your comment would have been better served IF YOU HAD TYPED "FULFILLED" IN BOLD LETTERS AND IN RED. Jesus DID FULFILL the LAW............

Lots of people have no idea what the word fulfilled means. To many that words means taken care of so it can all be thrown out, a meaning that has nothing to do with the actual meaning of the word yet they use that meaning to damage their faith in their Savior.

 

[homwardbound]

Why study the Old Testament? At the very least, critical study engages the evolution of Judaism from polytheism to henotheism to monotheism, which is useful in the context of understanding the historical origins of the Christian movement.

I see the whole both first and second Testament as one gigantic LOVE story, nonfictional

 

[homwardbound]

You cant have new without ever having old
just a thought

The first and second together completes the jig saw puzzle as whole so to speak