Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[newbirth]

By Faith, trusting Father through Son, all these things are added after one comes into the end of trying to do it all, and sees it is only God that can and does it all, and is done for us at the cross
Peter had much trouble in this, denied Christ three times, rebuked by Paul at Galatia, and even God showed Peter God has no respect of persons. Peter was a worker, a strong zeal for God and yet had much fear that needed to be cast out from him. And was. So he wrote wisely, from Father speaking through him, and came to see this mighty grace, as we all are still not ever 100% obedient. That is when I gave up my works for God's works

By faith obedience to God He who has ears to hear let him hear, those thing are not added automatically you have to add them did you not read it..[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[h=3]1 Peter 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
[SUP]9[/SUP]Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:


This is what God says And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
[h=3]The devil is saying you don't have to do anything God did it all for you already, who will you obey?[/h][SUP]James 4
7 [/SUP]Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


[h=3]James 1:21-24[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
[SUP]22[/SUP]But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

[h=3]Rev 3
[SUP]21 [/SUP]To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Genesis 3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

 

[SeaBass]

Seabass, what you lack is the understanding that DOING GOOD WORKS, for the wrong motive, counts for NOTHING.

The ONLY MOTIVE GOD WILL HONOR is doing them only because we LOVE HIM.

Doing them to gain something or earn Salvation is the WRONG MOTIVE for doing them, thus they count for NOTHING.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15[/SUP] “If you love Me(= Saved), you will keep My commands.

Clearly the MOTIVE for Keeping His Commandments is ONLY BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM.

1 John 5:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

Clearly the MOTIVE for Keeping His Commandments is ONLY BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM.

To KEEP them to Earn Salvation or to try rub GOD the right way so that He saves you, IS THE WRONG MOTIVE, and they are absolutely totally useless to GOD.

Isaiah 64:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags (Because those works were not done out of the pure motive of LOVE FOR GOD, instead they were done to try to manipulate GOD. NOTICE that NOTHING they did measured up to GOD's standard, thus the Forgiveness is purely out of GOD's grace and mercy.); We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.


So much for earning Salvation, you have NONE, if your motive for doing good works is NOT purely because you LOVE HIM because HE showed HIS LOVE for you by saving YOU when you did not deserve it.

Romans 5:8-11 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

I never said anything about doing good works for the wrong motive, but I have pointed out how the bible teaches the Christian MUST do good works to maintain his salvation.

Jn 14:15 can the Christian maintain his salvation yet quit loving Christ/quit obeying Christ? No.

Isa 64:6 is about Israel at a time they were in iniquity..."...and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away"

Verse 5, that seems to never get quoted, says "Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness,those that remember thee in thy ways....

Just as Peter said in Acts 10:35 those that worketh righeousness are accepted with God.

 

[SeaBass]

Then you limit God. When He made Adam and Eve he knew all that would follow and all who would choose.

Just because foreknowledge does not necessitate predetermination does not limit God.

If foreknowledge necessitates predetermination then God is a sinner for causing all the sin that has ever occurred.

 

[SeaBass]

Foreknowledge? GOD is OMNIPRESENT, not only in Space but more importantly IN TIME AS WE KNOW IT. That means GOD is present at the conversion of every Genuine BELIEVER; before the foundation of the earth. HE DECLARES the End from the Beginning, not because of "Foreknowledge", but because HE IS OMNIPRESENT IN ALL TIME AT THE SAME TIME. GOD is not a created Being traveling through time, HE IS THE CREATOR OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT.

God foreknew that Christ would die on the cross, Acts 2:23. So if foreknowledge means predetermination then God, with His wicked hands, is the one that murdered Christ.

 

[SeaBass]

I believe in John 6:47 "He who believes has eternal life."

I believe that we can never be plucked from God's hand. John 10

A Christian can quit believing, quit hearing and following Christ, Jn 10:27 and remove themselves from God's hand.

Therefore without the works in obediently hearing and following Christ a Christian can be come lost.

 

[SeaBass]

Good works is our response on what Jesus did on the cross which is He saved us because of Who He is and not what We've done. We cant earn salvation. Its because of God's love and grace.

Salvation cannot be earned, but the issue is can a Christian NOT do those 'good works in response on what Jesus did on the cross' yet still be saved?

 

[SeaBass]

Works are the result of Faith
Works do not produce Faith. God gives us the Faith that produces God's works through us that are already done
No matter what way you or I see it, if we are God's neither one oif have anything to worry about do we?
So if you are at peace then so beit, I pray you are
Thanks for all yuor posts

Faith is a work, 1 Thess 1:3. Mk 2:1-5.

No one can initially be saved by a dead faith only then that dead faith somehow produces works/fruits later.

No more than one can initially begin with a dead tree and then expect that dead tree to produce fruits later

 

[SeaBass]

The only condition left after the cross, death first, then resurrection if one will confess with his mouth and believe Father raised Son from the dead and Christ is alive forevermore making constant intercession for us, The one's that can't be perfect, then we will be saved
So the ? is do you believe God to be this Merciful to you?
To beleive or not to beleive, your free choice, mine and all the world's. Not to be taken for granted; to be appreciated
The more one sees how much they are forgiven and loved by Father through Son. The deeper one loves and forgives

So now you are seeing the light [maybe] in admitting that man does have a role in his own salvation by believing and confessing, Rom 10:9,10. So salvation is not 100% unconditionally by God for God will not save those that do not believe and will not confess.

 

[SeaBass]

And Father is the Judge of that not me

What does that suppose to mean?


Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Psa 119:172 "...for all thy commandments are righteousness."

So those that work/obey God's righteousness/commandments are accepted with God.

Just as Paul said in Rom 10:3 the Jews were lost for they had not submitted/obeyed the righteousness (commandments) of God.

 

[SeaBass]

Yes and no is the answer depending on one's view?
Why Because Father first draws one to beleive, then draws one to see, what a miraculous Father, Father is in Mercy and truth, by and through Son, it is done and we had nothing to do with it. God did this by himself for us, if we decide to belief God or not is all that is left
God knows who belief and who does not, even if one says they do
I personally do not want to fall from this amazing grace given to us, and so therefore I respond in thanksgiving and praise and love as God has imputed into to love his way, since no natural man can

Drawing is done by teaching, hearing and learning the world of God then one of his own will comes to Christ. Jn 6:45

One comes to Christ of his own free will choice and needs no miraculous, mysterious empowerment by the the Holy Spirit apart from the word but just be taught, hear and learn the Holy Spirit's word, the word of God, the bible.

 

[SeaBass]

I do not comprehend how you can fathom, it to be God's fault?
You either believe or you do not, i8t is a free choice to beleive or not. There is nothing else, and Father will do the sorting when the time comes, I am at rest in this

If God alone 100% controls who can and cannot come to Christ where man has no choice in the matter at all, then whose fault will it be if one does not come to Christ?

 

[SeaBass]

Seabass,

Could you please clarify something for me,I have seen some of the accusations of people claiming you are saying that you are trying to earn salvation by works (I don't think that is what you are really saying) What I think I hear you saying is this,that it is a faith that produces works that saves us,nor are we saved by works in and of themselves. Thanks

Hi,


Their claim that I have said salvation is earned is false straw man they use over and over. No one can produce a single post I have made where I have said salvation is earned.

The problem is they do not understand that free gifts as salvation can and do most often come with conditions and working to meet those conditions do not earn the free gift in anyway.

A clear biblical example of this is Naaman. God owed Naaman nothing yet by God's grace Naaman could be cleansed of his disease if he did the work of going and dipping in the Jordan river 7 times.

So God's grace came with the conditional of an obedient work in dipping.

No dipping = no cleansing


The only question now is how many faith only proponents will come here and say since Naaman did works then he earned his cleansing therefore the cleansing was NOT of grace but of works of merit?


God saves, but does God alone save unconditionally by saving every man or just randomly choosing to save some leaving the rest lost? No.

God CONDITIONALLY saves those that obey Christ, Heb 5:9 so in this sense obedient works save since God saves those that do obedient works. Faith is an obedient work.


As James says a faith void of works is dead being alone so faith alone is dead.

So no one can be saved by a dead faith only.

Some try and get man saved by a dead faith only then after one is saved by that dead faith that dead faith then some how produces works. A dead faith can never produce works/fruit for its dead.

So if you begin with a dead faith all you ever have is a dead faith and never get works/fruit from a dead faith.
So if you begin with a dead tree all you ever have is a dead tree and never will get fruit form a dead tree.



The idea the "x" alone saves is as foreign to the bible as it can be.
The bible teaches:
God saves
grace saves
faith saves
blood of Christ saves
hope saves
the engrafted word saves
repentance saves
confession saves
baptism saves

So does God alone save? No. For God will not unconditionally save anyone alone, apart from the word, faith, hope, the blood of Christ, repentance, confessing, being baptized. So in that sense ALL these things save when working together, not any one working alone will save.

 

[SarahM777]

Hi,


Their claim that I have said salvation is earned is false straw man they use over and over. No one can produce a single post I have made where I have said salvation is earned.

The problem is they do not understand that free gifts as salvation can and do most often come with conditions and working to meet those conditions do not earn the free gift in anyway.

A clear biblical example of this is Naaman. God owed Naaman nothing yet by God's grace Naaman could be cleansed of his disease if he did the work of going and dipping in the Jordan river 7 times.

So God's grace came with the conditional of an obedient work in dipping.

No dipping = no cleansing


The only question now is how many faith only proponents will come here and say since Naaman did works then he earned his cleansing therefore the cleansing was NOT of grace but of works of merit?


God saves, but does God alone save unconditionally by saving every man or just randomly choosing to save some leaving the rest lost? No.

God CONDITIONALLY saves those that obey Christ, Heb 5:9 so in this sense obedient works save since God saves those that do obedient works. Faith is an obedient work.


As James says a faith void of works is dead being alone so faith alone is dead.

So no one can be saved by a dead faith only.

Some try and get man saved by a dead faith only then after one is saved by that dead faith that dead faith then some how produces works. A dead faith can never produce works/fruit for its dead.

So if you begin with a dead faith all you ever have is a dead faith and never get works/fruit from a dead faith.
So if you begin with a dead tree all you ever have is a dead tree and never will get fruit form a dead tree.



The idea the "x" alone saves is as foreign to the bible as it can be.
The bible teaches:
God saves
grace saves
faith saves
blood of Christ saves
hope saves
the engrafted word saves
repentance saves
confession saves
baptism saves

So does God alone save? No. For God will not unconditionally save anyone alone, apart from the word, faith, hope, the blood of Christ, repentance, confessing, being baptized. So in that sense ALL these things save when working together, not any one working alone will save.

Thanks,that's what I thought you were saying.

 

[VCO]

God foreknew that Christ would die on the cross, Acts 2:23. So if foreknowledge means predetermination then God, with His wicked hands, is the one that murdered Christ.

GOD's predetermined plan, is so absolutely a SURE THING, that is is equal to a DONE DEAL. Besides:

2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[VCO]

I never said anything about doing good works for the wrong motive, but I have pointed out how the bible teaches the Christian MUST do good works to maintain his salvation.

Jn 14:15 can the Christian maintain his salvation yet quit loving Christ/quit obeying Christ? No.

Isa 64:6 is about Israel at a time they were in iniquity..."...and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away"

Verse 5, that seems to never get quoted, says "Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness,those that remember thee in thy ways....

Just as Peter said in Acts 10:35 those that worketh righeousness are accepted with God.

Why do you always say MUST DO, instead of WILL DO?

 

[VCO]

I never said anything about doing good works for the wrong motive, but I have pointed out how the bible teaches the Christian MUST do good works to maintain his salvation.

Jn 14:15 can the Christian maintain his salvation yet quit loving Christ/quit obeying Christ? No.

Isa 64:6 is about Israel at a time they were in iniquity..."...and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away"

Verse 5, that seems to never get quoted, says "Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness,those that remember thee in thy ways....

Just as Peter said in Acts 10:35 those that worketh righeousness are accepted with God.

Doing GOOD WORKS because I HAVE TO, is the WRONG MOTIVE.

Doing GOOD WORKS because I WANT TO BECAUSE I LOVE HIM, is the RIGHT MOTIVE.

 

[VCO]

If God alone 100% controls who can and cannot come to Christ where man has no choice in the matter at all, then whose fault will it be if one does not come to Christ?

John 6:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Revelation 3:20 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

James 4:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

 

[JustifiedandSanctified]

The problem here is not rightly dividing the word of truth. For example, if the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were gospels for Israel. Acts is the book that records the transition from the Israel program, which was put on hold, to the Gentile program. Israel was being called as a nation to repent of their sin of rejecting their savior, Jesus. After that one year which was prophesied by Jesus in Luke 13:6-9, a new gospel hid from all, a mystery revealed unto Paul, was given. It is the gospel of grace and peace. Grace because it is a free gift, free provision for our justification and sanctification. Peace because it is secure eternally. Our foundational doctrine comes from Romans.

To say one needs to do works to maintain salvation, then what for did Jesus say "it is finished"? Our faith in the complete work of Jesus bearing the sins of the world on the cross is what saves us. For if we do works, then how can it be given by grace, for grace can be only be given as a free gift. If it be works, then it be a wage and the wages of sin is death.

Romans 5:
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

.....
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

so now I tell you that I am eternally made righteous by Jesus all through a transaction of me believing Him to be true.

Romans 6:


6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?


2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

--- here we find out that we shouldn't continue in sin because we are dead to sin. But how were we made dead unto sin? Are we dead? Obviously not. Is sin dead? Again do I need to ask? It is our relationship to sin that is dead. It's dominion over us is dead. How did this happen?....



3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

---important to know that there are many kinds of baptisms in the Bible. ( see Matt 3:11) for example. Baptizing is just purification unto sanctification giving a new identification. See numbers 8:7 where the Levites are being purified unto sanctification to receive their identity of priesthood before God and the rest of Israel. We were baptized into Jesus getting a new identity which is redeemed and so being justified unto eternal life (Romans 3:24). So we find out that we are made dead to sin by Jesus' death.

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.



---it must be understood that we could not walk in this newness of life because in our own righteousness as Isaiah 64:6 says our righteousness are rags before God, but we were imputed righteousness (Romans 4:24) through our saving faith (Romans 4:21) and now sin having no more dominion over us we have the power of God's grace to live a sanctified life. Like He provided for our justification, Jesus provided for our sanctification. now all you have to do is believe that is knowing, that is believing...

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

----its like Jesus is telling you that the chains of sin are off and now all you have to do is believe it. It is sin trying to convince you daily that you are to serve him (ie sin). But here Jesus is saying that he gave up his life to die that you old man be crucified. Your old man is that which is your old identity in Adam, that you are a servant to sin. Now you are not because of Jesus' death.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Can we celebrate?!?!


8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.


10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.


11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

---know and reckon yourself to be dead unto sin for death and sin have no dominion over us.



Our sanctified life has nothing to do with our justification unto eternal life. Our sanctified life does impact our rewards at the judgement seat of Christ. 2 Timothy 2:19-21 tells us that we should lived santified and The Lord has sealed those that are his and He knows them that are his and we should part from sin but in His great house he knows that there will be those of gold and silver and those of wood and earth. If you want to be a vessel of honour then rightly divide the word of truth and you will learn how to live a sanctified life.

2 Timothy 2:

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.


20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.


21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.


---there is so much more but that is all I have time for tonight. Grace and peace to you in Jesus Christ.

 

[VCO]

The problem here is not rightly dividing the word of truth. For example, if the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were gospels for Israel. Acts is the book that records the transition from the Israel program, which was put on hold, to the Gentile program. Israel was being called as a nation to repent of their sin of rejecting their savior, Jesus. After that one year which was prophesied by Jesus in Luke 13:6-9, a new gospel hid from all, a mystery revealed unto Paul, was given. It is the gospel of grace and peace. Grace because it is a free gift, free provision for our justification and sanctification. Peace because it is secure eternally. Our foundational doctrine comes from Romans.

To say one needs to do works to maintain salvation, then what for did Jesus say "it is finished"? Our faith in the complete work of Jesus bearing the sins of the world on the cross is what saves us. For if we do works, then how can it be given by grace, for grace can be only be given as a free gift. If it be works, then it be a wage and the wages of sin is death.

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John 10:15-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

 

[JustifiedandSanctified]

John 10:15-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

He is talking to the nation of Israel about the nation of Israel. Context is important. The gospel of grace and peace was a mystery that even Jesus did not reveal completely during his earthly ministry. It wasn't understood until Paul who rejected the work of the Holy Spirit and persecuted the church was stopped in Damascus by Jesus. See in acts

Colossians 1:25 whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Look in Acts 10:46-48.


44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Peter had been preaching the gospel of the kingdom, of water baptism and repentance in order that they might receive the Holy Spirit but he didn't realize a transition into a new gospel was beginning. The Gentiles merely believed and received the Holy Spirit and the sign of tongues was given to demonstrate that they were baptized. For Jews require a sign. Peter baptized even though it was obviously not required for salvation. For if it was required, then the Gentiles could not have received the Holy Spirit. But they did. Why? Because look who got saved in the previous chapter? Paul and he was chosen to be separated unto a new gospel.

Galatians 2:

7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles 9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.