Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[homwardbound]

By faith obedience to God He who has ears to hear let him hear, those thing are not added automatically you have to add them did you not read it..[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
1 Peter 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
[SUP]9[/SUP]Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:


This is what God says And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
The devil is saying you don't have to do anything God did it all for you already, who will you obey?

[SUP]James 4
7 [/SUP]Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


James 1:21-24

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
[SUP]22[/SUP]But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

Rev 3
[SUP]21 [/SUP]To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Genesis 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Read it and I do not have a problem with what you write from your side of the Bus ride, from where you are sitting
And just saying from where I sit i have had glasses put on me to see closer and closer as I walk this same walk you are as well
Thanks for the Scriptures

 

[homwardbound]

I never said anything about doing good works for the wrong motive, but I have pointed out how the bible teaches the Christian MUST do good works to maintain his salvation.

Jn 14:15 can the Christian maintain his salvation yet quit loving Christ/quit obeying Christ? No.

Isa 64:6 is about Israel at a time they were in iniquity..."...and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away"

Verse 5, that seems to never get quoted, says "Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness,those that remember thee in thy ways....

Just as Peter said in Acts 10:35 those that worketh righeousness are accepted with God.

The problem I see is we have this tendency to mix before the cross and after the cross
Before under the stringency of Law. for perfection.
After the cross; perfection is done by Christ, the only flesh that ever pleased God period or ever will.
And by the cross all sin has and is condemned to flesh nature, all of us that are born from Woman, just a fact Jack
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

After the cross in the resurrected Christ is there is a completed change in Spirit and truth where no sin can occur

And truly what is a sin as bottom line it to not love. that would be the greatest of the Law of the Ten commandments. The summation of all Law
First and foremost to Love God with all, giving up self to God and God alone
And the second is much like the first love your neighbor as you love yourself, then take this one deeper as much as you are loved by God through the cross
So under Law before the cross and freed from the stress of the Law in trying to produce it after the death, burial and resurrected Christ
There is a difference is there not?

 

[homwardbound]

Just because foreknowledge does not necessitate predetermination does not limit God.

If foreknowledge necessitates predetermination then God is a sinner for causing all the sin that has ever occurred.

Yes God does not force, ever, why? Because if forced ever, then it can't be love

 

[homwardbound]

God foreknew that Christ would die on the cross, Acts 2:23. So if foreknowledge means predetermination then God, with His wicked hands, is the one that murdered Christ.

That is not true, God is not wicked ever and never has been even if one posts from the first Testament as if God is. God is not and if you believe God is, I am getting out of the way
In reverent fear of God almighty, who is not against us at all. It is us harming others that is what God is against, get it. I think you might already know this, I suspect this

 

[homwardbound]

God foreknew that Christ would die on the cross, Acts 2:23. So if foreknowledge means predetermination then God, with His wicked hands, is the one that murdered Christ.

Christ willingly went to the cross, no murder happened, Christ chose, free will Brother

 

[homwardbound]

A Christian can quit believing, quit hearing and following Christ, Jn 10:27 and remove themselves from God's hand.

Therefore without the works in obediently hearing and following Christ a Christian can be come lost.

Not if sealed by Father thanks to Christ when on that day they did believe
People get mad, do against truth, in being angered over circumstances and do walk away, saying things like I won't have anything to do with God
So will God disown them? Will God forsake them? People do by our actions and reactions, yet God does not
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

So maybe time for those that have left or pondering it, think deep, God does just love you. It is this world that does not, and the rain falls on everyone good or bad. There is no distinction as to who to fall on good or bad

 

[homwardbound]

Salvation cannot be earned, but the issue is can a Christian NOT do those 'good works in response on what Jesus did on the cross' yet still be saved?

God is Faithful to carry on the good works God started in the ones that beleive, even if one does not do them at first.
Kind of like an apple hanging on the tree branch.

when the apple is first born in an through the tree branch is it a perfect apple?

 

[homwardbound]

Faith is a work, 1 Thess 1:3. Mk 2:1-5.

No one can initially be saved by a dead faith only then that dead faith somehow produces works/fruits later.

No more than one can initially begin with a dead tree and then expect that dead tree to produce fruits later

A Spiritual one only

 

[homwardbound]

So now you are seeing the light [maybe] in admitting that man does have a role in his own salvation by believing and confessing, Rom 10:9,10. So salvation is not 100% unconditionally by God for God will not save those that do not believe and will not confess.

So man kinds work is useless if Christ never went to the cross for us
So it is all Christ for us and is none of us is it?

Belief, is useless without God's sacrifice for us

 

[homwardbound]

What does that suppose to mean?


Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Psa 119:172 "...for all thy commandments are righteousness."

So those that work/obey God's righteousness/commandments are accepted with God.

Just as Paul said in Rom 10:3 the Jews were lost for they had not submitted/obeyed the righteousness (commandments) of God.

So we, or just you are in and out with God one day you obey, the next you don't. Is this what you are saying?

 

[homwardbound]

Drawing is done by teaching, hearing and learning the world of God then one of his own will comes to Christ. Jn 6:45

One comes to Christ of his own free will choice and needs no miraculous, mysterious empowerment by the the Holy Spirit apart from the word but just be taught, hear and learn the Holy Spirit's word, the word of God, the bible.

Not actually the Bible itself, rather the truth of the Bible is what does the setting free

 

[homwardbound]

If God alone 100% controls who can and cannot come to Christ where man has no choice in the matter at all, then whose fault will it be if one does not come to Christ?

Never said one does not have free choice, only that their is only one choice left after the cross

 

[homwardbound]

Why do you always say MUST DO, instead of WILL DO?

Semantics always play a role do they not

Kind of like saying hey wife lets get married and wife says why we are married. But we must make sure and get married over and over again
A man's doing that has infiltrated the Churches of today, ans is in error, yet God is Faithful to be our only teacher, as we grow into maturity

If God permits Hebrews 6:3, but please read from Hebrews 5:11-6:6

 

[homwardbound]

Doing GOOD WORKS because I HAVE TO, is the WRONG MOTIVE.

Doing GOOD WORKS because I WANT TO BECAUSE I LOVE HIM, is the RIGHT MOTIVE.

We are the creation not the creator, agreed VCO

 

[homwardbound]

The problem here is not rightly dividing the word of truth. For example, if the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were gospels for Israel. Acts is the book that records the transition from the Israel program, which was put on hold, to the Gentile program. Israel was being called as a nation to repent of their sin of rejecting their savior, Jesus. After that one year which was prophesied by Jesus in Luke 13:6-9, a new gospel hid from all, a mystery revealed unto Paul, was given. It is the gospel of grace and peace. Grace because it is a free gift, free provision for our justification and sanctification. Peace because it is secure eternally. Our foundational doctrine comes from Romans.

To say one needs to do works to maintain salvation, then what for did Jesus say "it is finished"? Our faith in the complete work of Jesus bearing the sins of the world on the cross is what saves us. For if we do works, then how can it be given by grace, for grace can be only be given as a free gift. If it be works, then it be a wage and the wages of sin is death.

Romans 5:
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

.....
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

so now I tell you that I am eternally made righteous by Jesus all through a transaction of me believing Him to be true.

Romans 6:


6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?


2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

--- here we find out that we shouldn't continue in sin because we are dead to sin. But how were we made dead unto sin? Are we dead? Obviously not. Is sin dead? Again do I need to ask? It is our relationship to sin that is dead. It's dominion over us is dead. How did this happen?....



3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

---important to know that there are many kinds of baptisms in the Bible. ( see Matt 3:11) for example. Baptizing is just purification unto sanctification giving a new identification. See numbers 8:7 where the Levites are being purified unto sanctification to receive their identity of priesthood before God and the rest of Israel. We were baptized into Jesus getting a new identity which is redeemed and so being justified unto eternal life (Romans 3:24). So we find out that we are made dead to sin by Jesus' death.

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.



---it must be understood that we could not walk in this newness of life because in our own righteousness as Isaiah 64:6 says our righteousness are rags before God, but we were imputed righteousness (Romans 4:24) through our saving faith (Romans 4:21) and now sin having no more dominion over us we have the power of God's grace to live a sanctified life. Like He provided for our justification, Jesus provided for our sanctification. now all you have to do is believe that is knowing, that is believing...

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

----its like Jesus is telling you that the chains of sin are off and now all you have to do is believe it. It is sin trying to convince you daily that you are to serve him (ie sin). But here Jesus is saying that he gave up his life to die that you old man be crucified. Your old man is that which is your old identity in Adam, that you are a servant to sin. Now you are not because of Jesus' death.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Can we celebrate?!?!


8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.


10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.


11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

---know and reckon yourself to be dead unto sin for death and sin have no dominion over us.



Our sanctified life has nothing to do with our justification unto eternal life. Our sanctified life does impact our rewards at the judgement seat of Christ. 2 Timothy 2:19-21 tells us that we should lived santified and The Lord has sealed those that are his and He knows them that are his and we should part from sin but in His great house he knows that there will be those of gold and silver and those of wood and earth. If you want to be a vessel of honour then rightly divide the word of truth and you will learn how to live a sanctified life.

2 Timothy 2:

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.


20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.


21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.


---there is so much more but that is all I have time for tonight. Grace and peace to you in Jesus Christ.

Thank you for that may I copy your post and use it on the blogger I have been writing?

 

[homwardbound]

John 10:15-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

So you agree?

 

[homwardbound]

He is talking to the nation of Israel about the nation of Israel. Context is important. The gospel of grace and peace was a mystery that even Jesus did not reveal completely during his earthly ministry. It wasn't understood until Paul who rejected the work of the Holy Spirit and persecuted the church was stopped in Damascus by Jesus. See in acts

Colossians 1:25 whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Look in Acts 10:46-48.


44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Peter had been preaching the gospel of the kingdom, of water baptism and repentance in order that they might receive the Holy Spirit but he didn't realize a transition into a new gospel was beginning. The Gentiles merely believed and received the Holy Spirit and the sign of tongues was given to demonstrate that they were baptized. For Jews require a sign. Peter baptized even though it was obviously not required for salvation. For if it was required, then the Gentiles could not have received the Holy Spirit. But they did. Why? Because look who got saved in the previous chapter? Paul and he was chosen to be separated unto a new gospel.

Galatians 2:

7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles 9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

Thank you excellent dividing, as led, Thank you for this enlightenment

 

[newbirth]

The problem here is not rightly dividing the word of truth. For example, if the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were gospels for Israel. Acts is the book that records the transition from the Israel program, which was put on hold, to the Gentile program. Israel was being called as a nation to repent of their sin of rejecting their savior, Jesus. After that one year which was prophesied by Jesus in Luke 13:6-9, a new gospel hid from all, a mystery revealed unto Paul, was given. It is the gospel of grace and peace. Grace because it is a free gift, free provision for our justification and sanctification. Peace because it is secure eternally. Our foundational doctrine comes from Romans.

There is one gospel not two
[h=3]Ephesians 4
[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

[SUP]2 [/SUP]With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

To say one needs to do works to maintain salvation, then what for did Jesus say "it is finished"? Our faith in the complete work of Jesus bearing the sins of the world on the cross is what saves us. For if we do works, then how can it be given by grace, for grace can be only be given as a free gift. If it be works, then it be a wage and the wages of sin is death.

Romans 5:
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

.....
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

(so now I tell you that I am eternally made righteous by Jesus all through a transaction of me believing Him to be true. )

So when you were made a sinner you yielded your members to sin now you are made righteous you now yield your members to righteousness

Romans 6:


6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?


2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


--- here we find out that we shouldn't continue in sin because we are dead to sin. But how were we made dead unto sin? Are we dead? Obviously not. Is sin dead? Again do I need to ask? It is our relationship to sin that is dead. It's dominion over us is dead. How did this happen?....



3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

---important to know that there are many kinds of baptisms in the Bible. ( see Matt 3:11) for example. Baptizing is just purification unto sanctification giving a new identification. See numbers 8:7 where the Levites are being purified unto sanctification to receive their identity of priesthood before God and the rest of Israel. We were baptized into Jesus getting a new identity which is redeemed and so being justified unto eternal life (Romans 3:24). So we find out that we are made dead to sin by Jesus' death.

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.



---it must be understood that we could not walk in this newness of life because in our own righteousness as
1 Peter 1
[SUP]3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


Isaiah 64:6 says our righteousness are rags before God, but we were imputed righteousness (Romans 4:24) through our saving faith (Romans 4:21)


and now sin having no more dominion over us we have the power of God's grace to live a sanctified life. Like He provided for our justification, Jesus provided for our sanctification. now all you have to do is believe that is knowing, that is believing...
2 Peter 1
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[SUP]16[/SUP]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

[SUP]17 [/SUP]But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.




6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

----its like Jesus is telling you that the chains of sin are off and now all you have to do is believe it. It is sin trying to convince you daily that you are to serve him (ie sin). But here Jesus is saying that he gave up his life to die that you old man be crucified. Your old man is that which is your old identity in Adam, that you are a servant to sin. Now you are not because of Jesus' death.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Can we celebrate?!?!


8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.


10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.


11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

---know and reckon yourself to be dead unto sin for death and sin have no dominion over us.



Our sanctified life has nothing to do with our justification unto eternal life. Our sanctified life does impact our rewards at the judgement seat of Christ. 2 Timothy 2:19-21 tells us that we should lived santified and The Lord has sealed those that are his and He knows them that are his and we should part from sin but in His great house he knows that there will be those of gold and silver and those of wood and earth. If you want to be a vessel of honour then rightly divide the word of truth and you will learn how to live a sanctified life.
[h=3]Romans 2:6-8
[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,



2 Timothy 2:

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.


20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.


21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

---there is so much more but that is all I have time for tonight. Grace and peace to you in Jesus Christ.

Your opinion is not scripture brother many stray because of this. Let God's word prove itself. Also it is very important to take scripture in context when edifying. But it is good you are studying the word. Now I pray that God bless you in understanding his word.

 

[newbirth]

So now you are seeing the light [maybe] in admitting that man does have a role in his own salvation by believing and confessing, Rom 10:9,10. So salvation is not 100% unconditionally by God for God will not save those that do not believe and will not confess.

Some are always learning but never learning. Satan said to Eve, if you eat of the fruit you will not surly die. Now he is saying to some only "believe" no actions required and you will surly live same deception. If you have faith as a mustard seed the smallest of seeds that grows into a huge tree.Where did that deposit of faith go? Time for debate is coming to a close it is time for prayer and intercession.

 

[Hoffco]

Thanks for your good words. You have nailed Satan's end time deception on the head, and God has ordain for the professed church to believe the lies of Satan and never to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH in Jesus. After the Rapture and the wrath of God, there will not be ONE believer left on the earth at Jesus' second coming. Then at Jesus' second coming the whole nation of Israel will be saved and enter into the millennium in their old bodies and rule ,with us and Jesus, for the 1,000 yrs. Love to all, Hoffco