The sabbath cults - making an idol of the sabbath.

[Elin]

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.


know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.


Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

While you are at this, what's your take on Deut 6:25?
And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteous.
Just asking...

Do you not see that Dt 6:25 is in perfect agreement with the above Scriptures?

Has anyone other than Jesus of Nazareth obeyed all the laws relating to them so as to be righteous in the eyes of God?

Which is precisely what the above Scriptures state.

 

[RedTent]

Are we to only worship in the synagogue on the Sabbath day? as was the custom
As Jesus was nearing the end of His ministry, Jesus said to His disciples that every stone of the Jewish Temple would be “thrown down.” Matthew 24:1-2. This occurred when the temple was destroyed by the Romans during “The First Jewish War” in 70 A.D.
---in retrospect, what is the temple of God now?
How do we keep the Sabbath Holy if not to set aside our own ways, and consecrate them for God.
So how to keep it holy...?
Supposedly we're to not do any Real work,
Ok so then what constitutes real work if we can still eat and have a sabbath meal and feed our donkey?
Or if works of service is ok like healing others...this would mean then that its ok for Doctors and nurses and Ambulance drivers and fireman and police to work on the Sabbath too then right?
what deciding factor draws the line?
Are we suppose to rest so the cares of this world don't stress us out?
Is this the reason the Sabbath was made for man...(similar to how Jesus was made as a sacrifice for man and we rest our souls in him)

As well most aren't farmers anymore today as many were in the OT which is another thing that presents a different element.
What if doing nothing on Sabbath day stresses one out even more because that's the only day one has time to repair the house, repair the car or it breaks down etc.
What I'm saying is what draws the line not to be crossed if the pharisees came at Christ accusing him of breaking the Sabbath then he had to clarify that well...some things just still need to get done even on the sabbath.

Isaiah 58
“If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the Lord’s holy day honorable,
and if you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]then you will find your joy in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land

So I understand your question RedTent, but my question is...how can we not do the very same the other days of the week?
Or to put it another way, should we live 6 days out of the week as we please, and only set aside one for the Lord?
Have majority of idle conversation 85.57% of the time...and only talk of God the other 14.43%


I'll share an experience in my life with you...
I've went to church for well over 20 years since being saved as a teen at 14.
Going to many Wednesday bible studies, donating my time and extracurricular activity to Sunday worship in the church band.
While I was keeping that sabbath day holy and offering myself to the Lord...for some reason my closeness with God did not further itself until I began treating every day as a worship day and time with the Lord.
Now for me...no day is any different than another in the Lord.
Every moment is an experience with him
What if we took it a step further than what is written in Isaiah...
Instead of doing what we please 6 days and giving one day to the lord...
what of giving 6 days to the Lord and only using one day for yourself.

What if I have Faith I can eat pork on Sunday but another mans faith does not allow it?

I dunno, I try to treat every day equally as a day in the Lord and communion with him.
Should I cut it back to only one per week?

There is nothing we, as humans, can do to change that the world was created by God in such a way that to be in tune with it we are to make one day a special day to honor God for His care of us as being superior to all we do for ourselves.

Christ also faced how to do that with the demands of the world that are constant. He found a man who needed His help on the day He had set aside, and Christ helped that man. Another time Christ and the men with Him were hungry and the food they found needed work to prepare it, Christ said the Sabbath was made for man and they prepared the food. We know that Christ followed the law perfectly, these things are to be followed as we also follow the instructions to give God the full credit for our wellbeing, while we also work towards our wellbeing six days a week.

I don't think how we are told to keep the Sabbath is the same as how we are to treat every day. We are told to pray constantly, we are told to die to self and put on Christ, we are given daily prayers. These things help with our work for ourselves, they don't interfere with it.

 

[KohenMatt]

Thanks. . .but your cover is blown.

What are you talking about?

 

[Kerry]

I speak in love, but when will those thick skulls realize that Jesus is the Sabbath. There is no rest without Him. How can we be free from the power of sin if it were not for the cross?

 

[MidniteWelder]

There is nothing we, as humans, can do to change that the world was created by God in such a way that to be in tune with it we are to make one day a special day to honor God for His care of us as being superior to all we do for ourselves.

Christ also faced how to do that with the demands of the world that are constant. He found a man who needed His help on the day He had set aside, and Christ helped that man. Another time Christ and the men with Him were hungry and the food they found needed work to prepare it, Christ said the Sabbath was made for man and they prepared the food. We know that Christ followed the law perfectly, these things are to be followed as we also follow the instructions to give God the full credit for our wellbeing, while we also work towards our wellbeing six days a week.

I don't think how we are told to keep the Sabbath is the same as how we are to treat every day. We are told to pray constantly, we are told to die to self and put on Christ, we are given daily prayers. These things help with our work for ourselves, they don't interfere with it.

Well yeah, except...

Colossians 2:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival,
a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.[SUP]
17 [/SUP]These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

 

[laymen]

Well yeah, except...

Colossians 2:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival,
a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.[SUP]
17 [/SUP]These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

The type of sabbath under consideration is shown by the phrase “which are a shadow of things to come” (Col. 2:17). The weekly Sabbath is a memorial of an event at the beginning of earth’s history (Gen. 2:2, 3; Ex. 20:8–11; PP 48). Hence, the “sabbath days” Paul declares to be shadows pointing to Christ cannot refer to the weekly Sabbath designated by the fourth commandment, but must indicate the ceremonial rest days that reach their realization in Christ and His kingdom (see Lev. 23:6–8, 15, 16, 21, 24, 25, 27, 28, 37, 38).

 

[gotime]

I speak in love, but when will those thick skulls realize that Jesus is the Sabbath. There is no rest without Him. How can we be free from the power of sin if it were not for the cross?

Could you please refer to the place in Gods word where it ways that Jesus is the Sabbath?

It is written:

1Jn 3:4 Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

so Sin is lawlessness/not keeping the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Howbeit, I had not known sin, except through the law: for I had not known coveting, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet:

So the law is not sin but points out sin.

here is the law:

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me,
Exo 20:6 and showing lovingkindness unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of Jehovah thy God in vain; for Jehovah will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long in the land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.

If you do not obey these then you are not free.

We are all born in sin and we all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. But Jesus frees us from bondage to sin.
So If when I was a slave to sin I did sin. Then Freedom means I don't sin. which means I can keep the law because I am free in Christ. I could not when I was a slave to sin.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Every one that committeth sin is the bondservant of sin.

 

[JaumeJ]

_With our Father, a thousand years is as a day.

We approach the Seventh Millennium. There is to be one thousand years of peace.

The word for peace is from Shalom which also may be defined in many other positive definitions; look it up for yourself.

Those thousand years are not looking back ward, they are looking forward, and it is glorious.

This most likely makes no sense at all to some, but to many it is light.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

I speak in love, but when will those thick skulls realize that Jesus is the Sabbath. There is no rest without Him. How can we be free from the power of sin if it were not for the cross?

The type of sabbath under consideration is shown by the phrase “which are a shadow of things to come” (Col. 2:17). The weekly Sabbath is a memorial of an event at the beginning of earth’s history (Gen. 2:2, 3; Ex. 20:8–11; PP 48). Hence, the “sabbath days” Paul declares to be shadows pointing to Christ cannot refer to the weekly Sabbath designated by the fourth commandment, but must indicate the ceremonial rest days that reach their realization in Christ and His kingdom (see Lev. 23:6–8, 15, 16, 21, 24, 25, 27, 28, 37, 38).

 

[laymen]

Certain parts of the OT, in particular the ceremonial and ritual laws and the enforcement of Israel’s civil and theocratic laws, are no longer binding upon Christians. However, the NT writers do not arbitrarily decide what laws are still relevant, but consistently recognize the criteria within the OT itself that indicate which laws are universally binding and which have a built-in “statute of limitations.”
The OT mišpātîm, or civil laws, as applications of the Decalogue, are permanent in what they affirm, but the enforcement of these principles is tied to the theocratic government, and thus a built-in “statute of limitations” is involved. When the theocracy ended in A.D. 34 (in fulfillment of Daniel 9:24, and announced in the covenant lawsuit of Stephen in Acts 7), the end of the civil enforcement of these laws also arrived.
Likewise, the sacrificial/ceremonial laws were part of the typical system that reached its fulfillment in the antitype Jesus, who carried out in reality on Calvary and is carrying out in the heavenly sanctuary what was typified in the OT rituals. The built-in “statute of limitations” of these laws was also indicated in the OT (Ex. 25:9, 40




OT = Old Testament
NT= New Testament

 

[gotime]

Certain parts of the OT, in particular the ceremonial and ritual laws and the enforcement of Israel’s civil and theocratic laws, are no longer binding upon Christians. However, the NT writers do not arbitrarily decide what laws are still relevant, but consistently recognize the criteria within the OT itself that indicate which laws are universally binding and which have a built-in “statute of limitations.”
The OT mišpātîm, or civil laws, as applications of the Decalogue, are permanent in what they affirm, but the enforcement of these principles is tied to the theocratic government, and thus a built-in “statute of limitations” is involved. When the theocracy ended in A.D. 34 (in fulfillment of Daniel 9:24, and announced in the covenant lawsuit of Stephen in Acts 7), the end of the civil enforcement of these laws also arrived.
Likewise, the sacrificial/ceremonial laws were part of the typical system that reached its fulfillment in the antitype Jesus, who carried out in reality on Calvary and is carrying out in the heavenly sanctuary what was typified in the OT rituals. The built-in “statute of limitations” of these laws was also indicated in the OT (Ex. 25:9, 40




OT = Old Testament
NT= New Testament

Amen to that. You would think that people would realize that point by the simple fact that even they believe that killing is still wrong etc. SO it is clear that not all is done away with. and everything that is done away with is replaced by the true.

Eg:

Earthly Sanctuary now Heavenly Sanctuary.
Animal sacrifices now One sacrifice Jesus Christ.
Earthly High priest now Jesus our High priest.
Rituals practiced by faith now Just Faith in Jesus as the fulfillment of those rituals and feasts. Tough some are still yet to be fulfilled.


but nowhere does it say that the 10 commandments are gone. but rather John sees them in heaven connected with the very last days. which makes sense if the earthly was a copy of the true in heaven.

 

[MidniteWelder]

The type of sabbath under consideration is shown by the phrase “which are a shadow of things to come” (Col. 2:17). The weekly Sabbath is a memorial of an event at the beginning of earth’s history (Gen. 2:2, 3; Ex. 20:8–11; PP 48). Hence, the “sabbath days” Paul declares to be shadows pointing to Christ cannot refer to the weekly Sabbath designated by the fourth commandment, but must indicate the ceremonial rest days that reach their realization in Christ and His kingdom (see Lev. 23:6–8, 15, 16, 21, 24, 25, 27, 28, 37, 38).

Hey how ya doin'
Could you look at and tell me:
1. what the Bronze Snake in Numbers 21 symbolized and pointed to?
2. what the washing of garments on the 7th day symbolized and pointed to ?
3. what lambs blood over the door symbolized and pointed to?

Can you tell me what the "Sabbath-Rest" (as oppose to being worded sabbath day) in Hebrews 4 pointed to
(just as God has rested eternally from his work).
What does Sabbath Rest mean if not Eternal Holy rest by salvation from Death through Christ as heirs to the kingdom.
Shall we reason that God was interested in a certain day of the week?
If so...Why then is this later worded as Sabbath-rest? as if it is here now indicating that this is what the Sabbath Day pointed to as if it has now arrived when it wasn't here beforehand. (arrived through some sort of miraculous changing event)
God does nothing for no reason.
what would his reason be?
If you were on a sinking cruise ship and jumped off and I sent you a helicopter would you concentrate on looking for it's shadow?
Perhaps until it arrived.
Once it arrived...what would you concentrate on then? The shadow still? Or the reality of what the shadow led up to.

Remember...we are in the world but no longer of the world.

 

[laymen]

Hey how ya doin'
Could you look at and tell me:
1. what the Bronze Snake in Numbers 21 symbolized and pointed to?
2. what the washing of garments on the 7th day symbolized and pointed to ?
3. what lambs blood over the door symbolized and pointed to?

Can you tell me what the "Sabbath-Rest" (as oppose to being worded sabbath day) in Hebrews 4 pointed to
(just as God has rested eternally from his work).
What does Sabbath Rest mean if not Eternal Holy rest by salvation from Death through Christ as heirs to the kingdom.
Shall we reason that God was interested in a certain day of the week?
If so...Why then is this later worded as Sabbath-rest? as if it is here now indicating that this is what the Sabbath Day pointed to as if it has now arrived when it wasn't here beforehand. (arrived through some sort of miraculous changing event)
God does nothing for no reason.
what would his reason be?
If you were on a sinking cruise ship and jumped off and I sent you a helicopter would you concentrate on looking for it's shadow?
Perhaps until it arrived.
Once it arrived...what would you concentrate on then? The shadow still? Or the reality of what the shadow led up to.

Remember...we are in the world but no longer of the world.

Your going to need to be more detailed about what part of Heb 4?

 

[MidniteWelder]

Your going to need to be more detailed about what part of Heb 4?

.......All of it

 

[laymen]

Chapter 4 Verse 3 talks about a rest: Rest. Literally, “the rest,” meaning the very same “rest” to which reference has already been made in chs. 3:11, 18; 4:1. The “rest” into which Christians, including converted Jews, enter is the very same spiritual “rest” into which God had invited ancient Israel to enter—the “rest” of soul that comes with full surrender to Christ and with the integration of the life into the eternal purpose of God (cf. Isa. 30:15; Jer. 6:16; Matt. 11:29).
Heb 4 Veres 9:Sabbatismos and sabbatizō are Greek renderings of the Hebrew noun shabbath and its related verb shabath, respectively, and the meaning of the latter may be expected to cast light on the meaning of the former. Shabbath occurs 101 times in the OT, where it generally means “Sabbath,”—the seventh day of the week—or “week,” a period of seven days marked off by successive Sabbaths. It is also used of the sabbatical year (Lev. 25:6; 26:34, 43; 2 Chron. 36:21). The verb shabath occurs 70 times, 7 times with reference to the Sabbath rest and 63 times with reference to other kinds of rest. For instances of the latter usage see Gen. 8:22; Joshua 5:12; Neh. 6:3; Lam. 5:14; Isa. 14:4; 24:8; 33:8. The root meaning of the verb shabath is “to cease,” “to rest.” The word sometimes denotes the weekly Sabbath rest. But the noun shabbath, derived from shabath, commonly denotes the weekly Sabbath rest, and also the space of time marked off by successive Sabbaths, the week (Lev. 23:15), and the sabbatical years (ch. 26:35; etc.). It may be noted also that shabbathon, which is simply shabbath with the ending –on, is used of the Day of Atonement (Lev. 16:31; 23:32), of the sabbatical year (Lev. 25:4, 5), of the Feast of Trumpets (Lev. 23:24), and of the first and last days of the Feast of Tabernacles (Lev. 23:39)—as well as of the seventh-day Sabbath.
Sabbatizō is used seven times in the LXX, once of the literal seventh-day Sabbath (Ex. 16:30), once of other sabbaths (Lev. 23:32), and five times of the land’s resting in the sabbatical year (Lev. 26:34, 35; 2 Chron. 36:21). In the LXX of Ex. 16:30; Lev. 23:32; 26:34, 35 sabbatizō is from the Hebrew shabath. Accordingly, the fundamental idea expressed by sabbatizo in the LXX is that of resting or ceasing from labor or other activity. Hence usage of the related Greek and Hebrew words implies that the noun sabbatismos may denote either the literal Sabbath “rest” or simply “rest” or “cessation” in a more general sense. Thus, a linguistic study of the word sabbatismos in Heb. 4:9 leaves it uncertain whether the weekly Sabbath “rest” is here referred to, or simply “rest” or “cessation” in a general sense. Context alone can decide the matter.
The writer of Hebrews appears to use katapusis and sabbatismos more or less synonymously:
1. Because Joshua could not lead Israel into spiritual “rest” (katapausis, v. 8), a sabbatismos (v. 9) remains for Christians. Consistency seems to require that what remains be the same as what was there to begin with. Because Joshua did not lead literal Israel into spiritual “rest” would be no reason for the Christian to observe the Sabbath.
2. From vs. 1, 6 it is clear that what remains for the people of God in NT times is a katapausis; in v. 9 it is said that a sabbatismos remains. To declare that what remains for “the people of God” is the weekly Sabbath, is to declare that what Joshua failed to lead Israel into was the weekly Sabbath.
3. The fact that in the LXX, the Bible of the NT church, katapauō (Gen. 2:2, 3); Ex. 20:11) and sabbatizō (Ex. 16:30; Lev. 23:32) are used interchangeably to denote the seventh-day Sabbath, would tend to preclude the suggestion that the writer of Hebrews intended to make a distinction between the noun forms of these words in Heb. 3; 4.
It may be noted, further, that the Jews of Paul’s time, whether Christian or non-Christian, were punctilious in their observance of the fourth commandment. Certainly, in writing to Jews, the author of Hebrews would not consider it necessary to prove to them that Sabbathkeeping “remaineth.” If the conclusion of the extended argument beginning with ch. 3:7 is that Sabbathkeeping remains for the people of God, it would seem that the writer of Hebrews is guilty of a non sequitur, for the conclusion does not follow logically from the argument. There would have been no point in so labored an effort to persuade the Jews to do what they were already doing—observing the seventh-day Sabbath. Furthermore, in apostolic times the seventh-day Sabbath was observed by all Christians, Jew and Gentile alike, and any argument to prove the validity of the Sabbath in those early Christian times would have been pointless. Furthermore, it may be observed that the section of the book of Hebrews consisting of chs. 3 and 4 opens with an invitation to “consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus” (ch. 3:1), and closes with an earnest plea to “come boldly” before Him in order to “obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need” (ch. 4:16). What relationship a protracted argument designed to prove that Sabbath observance remains as an obligation to the Christian church might have to the declared theme of chs. 3 and 4—the ministry of Christ as our great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary—is obscure indeed.

 

[MidniteWelder]

What relationship a protracted argument designed to prove that Sabbath observance remains as an obligation to the Christian church might have to the declared theme of chs. 3 and 4—the ministry of Christ as our great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary—is obscure indeed.

Lol Yes. Then again we are told we see dimly as through a looking glass right now.

Chapter 4 Verse 3 talks about a rest: Rest. Literally, “the rest,” meaning the very same “rest” to which reference has already been made in chs. 3:11, 18; 4:1. The “rest” into which Christians, including converted Jews, enter is the very same spiritual “rest” into which God had invited ancient Israel to enter—the “rest” of soul that comes with full surrender to Christ and with the integration of the life into the eternal purpose of God (cf. Isa. 30:15; Jer. 6:16; Matt. 11:29).

Correct a spiritual rest as opposed to a ritual one.

To help make a point, Psalm 95:7-11 states:
"Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert, where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did. That is why I was angry with that generation, and I said,
`Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.' So I declared on oath in my anger,
`They shall never enter my rest'"
Again reiterated by the Holy Spirit in Heb 3:7-11
How could they never enter his rest unless God was referring to spiritual as opposed to ritual.
This spiritual designation should indicate a more profound meaning than just what is noticed on the surface.

It may be noted, further, that the Jews of Paul’s time, whether Christian or non-Christian, were punctilious in their observance of the fourth commandment. Certainly, in writing to Jews, the author of Hebrews would not consider it necessary to prove to them that Sabbathkeeping “remaineth.”

Therefore since they were already punctilious... why state the obvious?

If the conclusion of the extended argument beginning with ch. 3:7 is that Sabbath keeping remains for the people of God, it would seem that the writer of Hebrews is guilty of a non sequitur, for the conclusion does not follow logically from the argument.
If the conclusion does not follow the the argument, then the statement would be irrelevant and wasted space in the bible.
Therefore he must be pointing to a different conclusion.

There would have been no point in so labored an effort to persuade the Jews to do what they were already doing—observing the seventh-day Sabbath.

There ya go.
Based on this statement what can you conclude he may have meant if something more than what they were already doing?
Is it able to be seen the redundance of the author stating what may appear to be obvious if they were already doing their part in observing the 7th day Sabbath...
Unless it was bringing into clarity the resolve being the main focus is Christ as opposed to a certain day of the week.

Let me ask you this regarding the 7th day sabbath and if the reason for keeping a day helped with these following things.
That God wants his people to be sure to at least...AT LEAST once a week
To make time for him, to be replenished, spiritually fed, worship him, fellowship, network together with other believers, have a meal together, To be sure to give thanks to him, etc
If this practice hadn't been established ......how often would the people have made it a point to set aside time for God?
-Perhaps once a month if they found time?
-Once a year when they go to church on Christmas?
Where would they have gotten spiritually fed if they didn't assemble?
How much of a witness is it in a town containing unbelievers to witness Gods people together?
And most importantly to make it a habit to not let God fade away...let's admit it...without a little encouragement and prodding we as humans can be somewhat lazy and self-absorbed.

Now what if you're already doing all these things...not as a work required that you gotta do at least once a week
...but willingly simply in dedication to the Lord.
I'm not suggesting people stop going to church which is a very important part of our spiritual growth and walk with God.
It's that we are the church.
We are the temple
Christ is our everlasting High Priest...forever.
There is nothing further of him to be done, nothing more required of him.
If he paid the price what more is required of us to further complete what Christ has already accomplished?
And now God's people have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them.
Did Christ ever dwell within anybody before he was resurrected everlasting?
Why are we looking back at a sabbath day when we are shown the sabbath rest is in Christ.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. [SUP]
11 [/SUP]Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

Are we to believe we would perish for not adhering to a 7th day Sabbath?
---Or is our rest in God now provided through the Faith God wanted us to have from the beginning but had to be led up to through the chain of events we have just read about.
The various elements of the Sabbath symbolized the coming of the Messiah, who would provide a permanent rest for His people.
What other Sabbath rest is there besides Jesus. He provided the sacrifice that atones for sin.
Jesus is God’s plan for us to cease from the labor of our own works as if we could improve upon what he already done.

​

 

[laymen]

Are we to believe we would perish for not adhering to a 7th day Sabbath?
---Or is our rest in God now provided through the Faith God wanted us to have from the beginning but had to be led up to through the chain of events we have just read about.
The various elements of the Sabbath symbolized the coming of the Messiah, who would provide a permanent rest for His people.
What other Sabbath rest is there besides Jesus. He provided the sacrifice that atones for sin.
Jesus is God’s plan for us to cease from the labor of our own works as if we could improve upon what he already done.

God is the only one who knows if each one of us knows better or not. But I can tell you now it does not hurt to keep the Sabbath.

 

[Laodicea]

I speak in love, but when will those thick skulls realize that Jesus is the Sabbath. There is no rest without Him. How can we be free from the power of sin if it were not for the cross?

If we love God we will keep His commandments. That is what Christ said. So it is both inward and outward. We love God inwardly and it is shown outwardly. If Christ is our rest inwardly it will be shown outwardly by keeping His rest, the sabbath.

 

[Funtastic]

Acts 21:24 "....but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law".

Romans 3:31 "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law".

Romans 7:22 "For in my inner being I delight in God’s law"

Proverbs 4:20-22 "My son, pay attention to what I say; turn your ear to my words.[SUP]21 [/SUP]Do not let them out of your sight, keep them within your heart;[SUP] 22 [/SUP]for they are life to those who find them and health to one’s whole body".

If God's commandments are life and healing to all our flesh why would something He gave for our good (Deuteronomy 10:13) be done away with?

Psalm 119 (the Bible's longest chapter) is an extended praise of God's laws for the wisdom and blessings that result from obeying them

God's laws were designed to bring blessings. They define behavior that naturally results in peace, safety and prosperity. Deuteronomy:4:5-7 tells us that if Israel had obeyed God, they would have reaped God's promised blessings to the extent that neighboring nations would have stood up and taken notice—and then would have chosen the same laws for themselves so they could enjoy the same wonderful benefits!

Ezek. 36:27 "And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws".

Jeremiah 31:33 “....I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people".


Those that think that the Law isn't for today have some serious contradictions in the Bible to get past.

 

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All Of God's Commandments Are For Our Good - Zac Poonen


God has always required obedience from man. Under the old covenant, the Israelites were given commandments to obey. But they discovered that they could not keep God's laws perfectly.

Under the new covenant, God promises to write His laws in our hearts and minds so that we will not only obey Him but love to obey Him. God's promise is: "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances."(Ezek. 36:27)

It is only through obeying His commandments that we can have fellowship with God.

Obedience however is something that many believers have not understood. Most believers have so misunderstood grace' that they consider obedience to be an Old Covenant requirement. God's commandments, as a result, are considered to be a heavy burden. This is a Satanic deception. It is the result of an ignorance of God's love. All of God's commandments are for our good and are meant to set us free. They all originate in the heart of a God Who loves us perfectly.

Moses says (concerning God giving His laws to Israel at Sinai), "At God's right hand there was a fiery law for His people - indeed (this proves that) He loves His people" (Deut.33:2,3 - margin). The fact that God gives us His laws is a proof of His intense love for us.

Some of God's commandments may require self-denial on our part. But in the long run we will discover that they are for our very best. A father doesn't give commands to his children to burden them or harm them - but only to help them. This is how we need to see the commands that God gives us too. To have faith is to believe in a God Who is perfect in love. When we have such faith, we will delight to do God's commandments, at any cost.

Here lies the reason for so much of our defeat. The Devil has convinced people that God's commandments are either unnecessary, or a burden. If we don't understand why God calls us to do something, that only proves our own immaturity. One day, when we are a little more mature, we will understand.

When children are compelled to go to school, they may not understand why their parents won't allow them to stay at home and play. They may think their parents are being very hard towards them. But it is love that makes those parents compel their children to get an education.

Like those little children, we too don't often understand God's ways. But if we believed in His love, we would obey all His Word and submit to all His dealings, without any question.

Consider the matter of suffering. Why does a God of love allow us to go through suffering? That's because suffering is a part of the syllabus in our spiritual education. It is through suffering that God leads us on to maturity. If you have not had much opportunity to suffer, you certainly could not have learnt much in life that has any spiritual value.

Perhaps you grumbled and complained so much the last time you had a little suffering, that God now allows you to go your own way. That is sad, when God puts you on the shelf like that. I'd rather go through suffering every day of my life than be set aside by God on a shelf.

It is foolish to compare ourselves with others, when God leads us through suffering. That would be like your children wondering why they have to go to school when the poor children in the slums can play in the mud all day. All of God's dealings with us are in perfect love. He wants us to be happy - not with the superficial, frothy happiness of the world, but with that deep, everlasting happiness that comes through holiness of life. And there is just no way to be holy except through suffering.

"He disciplines us for our good, that we may share His holiness."(Heb.12:10).

Jesus was the happiest man Who ever walked on this earth. Yet He was the One Who suffered the most. His happiness came out of doing the will of His Father - not by having an easy way through life. He knew His Father as perfect love and so He joyfully submitted to all that the Father sent His way. That was the secret of His life.

 

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Do you not see that Dt 6:25 is in perfect agreement with the above Scriptures?

Has anyone other than Jesus of Nazareth obeyed all the laws relating to them so as to be righteous in the eyes of God?

Which is precisely what the above Scriptures state.

In the context God spoke through Moses to His people. Does it mean He never expected them to obey the law but were just saying it to embarrass them in front of other nations? Was David bragging too soon in Psalm 18?