The sabbath cults - making an idol of the sabbath.

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The Scripture below has been posted here previously, but I post again as a reminder as to just part of what the law does for all. Keeping in mind it is the curse of the law that is no longer to be feared, its perfection directs those who understand to Yahweh, God.

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
 
Certain parts of the OT, in particular the ceremonial and ritual laws and the enforcement of Israel’s civil and theocratic laws, are no longer binding upon Christians. However,
the NT writers do not arbitrarily decide what laws are still relevant, but consistently recognize the criteria within the OT itself that indicate
which laws are universally binding and which have a built-in “statute of limitations.”
The OT mišpātîm, or civil laws, as applications of the Decalogue, are permanent in what they affirm, but the enforcement of these principles is tied to the theocratic government, and thus a built-in “statute of limitations” is involved. When the theocracy ended in A.D. 34 (in fulfillment of Daniel 9:24, and announced in the covenant lawsuit of Stephen in Acts 7), the end of the civil enforcement of these laws also arrived.
Likewise, the sacrificial/ceremonial laws were part of the typical system that reached its fulfillment in the antitype Jesus, who carried out in reality on Calvary and is carrying out in the heavenly sanctuary what was typified in the OT rituals. The built-in “statute of limitations” of these laws was also indicated in the OT (Ex. 25:9, 40).

OT = Old Testament
NT= New Testament
Keeping in mind that the NT

1) makes no distinction in "the law," (1Co 9:20),
2) sets aside "the law" (Heb 7:18-19) as weak and useless to obtain righteousness, and
3) presents the law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2) as the law for the NT people of God (Mt 22:37-39),
which fulfills "the law" (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10).

The NT presents the only law for the NT people of God as Mt 22:37-40.

Please explain what you mean by "covenant lawsuit."
 
Hey how ya doin'
Could you look at and tell me:
1. what the Bronze Snake in Numbers 21 symbolized and pointed to?
2. what the washing of garments on the 7th day symbolized and pointed to ?
3. what lambs blood over the door symbolized and pointed to?

Can you tell me what the "Sabbath-Rest" (as oppose to being worded sabbath day) in Hebrews 4 pointed to
(just as God has rested eternally from his work).
What does Sabbath Rest mean if not Eternal Holy rest by salvation from Death through Christ as heirs to the kingdom.
Shall we reason that God was interested in a certain day of the week?
If so...Why then is this later worded as Sabbath-rest? as if it is here now indicating that this is what the Sabbath Day pointed to as if it has now arrived when it wasn't here beforehand. (arrived through some sort of miraculous changing event)
God does nothing for no reason.
what would his reason be?
If you were on a sinking cruise ship and jumped off and I sent you a helicopter would you concentrate on looking for it's shadow?
Perhaps until it arrived.
Once it arrived...what would you concentrate on then? The shadow still? Or the reality of what the shadow led up to.


Remember...we are in the world but no longer of the world.
Wow!

What an excellent analogy of the shadow simply pointing to the reality, and of

only the reality, not the shadow, being effectual.

What an excellent analogy showing the meaning of clinging to the ineffectual shadow
after its effectual reality has arrived.
 
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Keeping in mind that the NT

1) makes no distinction in "the law," (1Co 9:20),
2) sets aside "the law" (Heb 7:18-19) as weak and useless to obtain righteousness, and
3) presents the law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2) as the law for the NT people of God (Mt 22:37-39),
which fulfills "the law" (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10).

The NT presents the only law for the NT people of God as Mt 22:37-40.

Please explain what you mean by "covenant lawsuit."

The covenant lawsuit = Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are fulfilled in Act 7 the end of the seventy weeks.

Seventy weeks. This expression seems to be a rather abrupt introduction, but the angel had come for the specific purpose of causing Daniel to understand the vision. He immediately began to explain.
The word here translated “week,” shabua‘, describes a period of seven consecutive days (see Gen. 29:27; Deut. 16:9; Dan. 10:2). In the pseudepigraphical Book of Jubilees, as well as in the Mishnah, shabua‘ is used to denote a period of seven years. Here, evidently, weeks of years are intended rather than weeks of days, for in ch. 10:2, 3 when Daniel wishes to specify that the “weeks” there referred to are seven-day weeks he explicitly says, “weeks of days” (Heb.; KJV, “full weeks”). Seventy weeks of years would be 490 literal years, without (here) applying the day-year principle.
Are determined. Chathak, a word occurring only here in the Bible. It occurs in post-Biblical Hebrew with the meaning “to cut,” “to cut off,” “to determine,” “to decree.” The LXX has krinō, “to decide,” “to judge,” etc. Theodotion’s version has suntemnō, “to shorten,” “to abbreviate,” etc., which meaning is reflected in the Vulgate reading abbreviare. The exact shade of meaning here intended must be determined from the context. In view of the fact that ch. 9 is an exposition of the unexplained portion of the vision of ch. 8, and inasmuch as the unexplained portion had to do with the 2300 days, it is logical to conclude that the 70 weeks, or 490 years, were to be “cut off” from that longer period. Furthermore, in the absence of contrary evidence, it may be assumed that the 70 weeks would be cut off from the beginning of that period. Viewed in the light of these observations, the translation of chathak as “to cut” seems singularly appropriate. In so far as the 490 years were especially assigned to the Jews with respect to their role as God’s chosen people, the translations “determine” and “decree” are also appropriate to the context.
Thy people. The 490 years applied especially to the Jewish nation.
To finish. lekalle’ from the root kela’, “to restrain.” The passage may have reference to the restraining power that God would exercise upon the forces of evil during the period allotted to the Jews. However, some 40 Hebrew manuscripts read lekalleh, a form clearly from kalah, “to bring a completion.” If kalah is the root, then the passage evidently refers to the fact that within this period the Jews would fill the cup of their iniquity. God had suffered long with the Israelites. He had given them many opportunities, but they continually disappointed Him (see pp. 32, 33).
To make an end of sins. This phrase may be parallel in meaning to the one preceding it, “to finish the transgression.” Some expositors note that the word here translated “sins” ( chaṭṭa’oth, orchaṭṭa’th, according to some manuscripts and the Masoretes) may mean either “sins” or “sin offerings.” Of the 290 occurrences in the OT chaṭṭa’th has the meaning “sin” 155 times, and “sin offering” 135 times. If “sin offerings” is the intended meaning, the following interpretation is suggested: When Christ on Calvary became the antitype of the sacrificial offerings of the sanctuary, it was no longer necessary for the sinner to bring his sin offering. However, the plural form chaṭṭa’oth almost invariably describes sins and only once, unless this be an exception also, denotes sin offerings (Neh. 10:33).
To make reconciliation. Heb. kaphar, generally translated “to make atonement” (see Ex. 30:10; Lev. 4:20; etc.). By His vicarious sacrifice on Calvary Christ provided reconciliation for all who accept His sacrifice.
Everlasting righteousness. Christ did not come to earth simply to provide for the blotting out of sin. He came to reconcile man to God. He came so that it might be possible to impute and to impart His righteousness to the penitent sinner. When men accept Him, He bestows on them the robe of His righteousness, and they stand in God’s presence as though they had never sinned. God loves repentant, believing souls as He loves His only Son, and for Christ’s sake accepts them into His family. By His life, death, and resurrection, Christ has made everlasting righteousness available to every child of Adam who, in simple faith, is willing to accept it.
To seal up. Here evidently not in the sense of “shutting up,” but of “confirming,” or “ratifying.” The fulfillment of the predictions connected with the first coming of the Messiah at the time specified in the prophecy gives assurance that the other features of the prophecy, notably the 2300 prophetic days, will be as precisely fulfilled.
The most Holy. Heb. qodesh qodashim, “something most holy,” or, “someone most holy.” The Hebrew phrase is applied to the altar (Ex. 29:37; 40:10), other vessels and furniture pertaining to the tabernacle (Ex. 30:29), the holy perfume (Ex. 30:36), specified meat offerings (Lev. 2:3, 10; 6:17; 10:12), trespass offerings (Lev. 7:1, 6), the shewbread (Lev. 24:5–9), devoted things (Lev. 27:28), the holy district (Num. 18:10; Eze. 43:12), and the most holy place of the sanctuary (Ex. 26:33, 34). The phrase is nowhere applied to persons, unless, as some suggest, it is so applied in the text under consideration and in 1 Chron. 23:13. The latter text may be translated, “Aaron was separated to anoint him a most holy one,” although it may also be rendered as in the KJV. Jewish expositors and many Christian commentators have held that the Messiah is referred to.
In view of the fact that the Hebrew phrase cannot elsewhere be shown to refer definitely to a person, and in view of the fact that the heavenly sanctuary is under discussion in the larger aspects of the vision (Dan. 8:14), it is reasonable to conclude that Daniel is here speaking of the anointing of the heavenly sanctuary prior to the time of Christ’s inauguration as high priest.
 
If you were on a sinking cruise ship and jumped off and I sent you a helicopter would you concentrate on looking for it's shadow?
Perhaps until it arrived.
Once it arrived...what would you concentrate on then? The shadow still? Or the reality of what the shadow led up to.

"The Sabbath" is not a shadow of Christ it was here before sin. And will be here after sin (Isa chapter 66:23) on the new earth.
 
Keeping in mind that the NT

1) makes no distinction in "the law," (1Co 9:20),
2) sets aside "the law" (Heb 7:18-19) as weak and useless to obtain righteousness, and
3) presents the law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2) as the law for the NT people of God (Mt 22:37-39),
which fulfills "the law" (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10).

The NT presents the only law for the NT people of God as Mt 22:37-40.

Paul does not intend for the law of Christ to be seen as an alternative to the law of God the two work harmoniously together as the loving law of Christ is used to introduce those saved by grace to the law of loving God.

The reason why we can't seem to see eye to eye is because those who don't believe in the Sabbath lump the "The Sabbath" in with the sabbath's of (Col 2:16)

"The Sabbath day" is not a shadow of Christ.

The Sabbath is different from all the other feasts and holy convocations (Lev 23: 37, 38) in that it originated at creation (Gen. 2:1–3), whereas the annual feasts and “sabbaths” had their origin with the Jewish nation. The seventh-day Sabbath “was made for man” (Mark 2:27), and hence is of obligation for all men forever; the annual feasts were made for the Jews and ceased to be of obligation when type met Antitype at the death of Christ (Col. 2:16, 17). The seventh-day Sabbath is incorporated in the law of God, the Ten Commandments, His constitution for this world. Because it was made before sin entered, it will remain after sin is no more (Isa. 66:22, 23). On the other hand, the annual Jewish feasts were of only temporal, local, ceremonial application, fitted to conditions in Palestine, and could not be made of worldwide application.
Thus the Feast of First Fruits (of winter crops), celebrated in late spring, in May, could not be observed in the southern hemisphere till six months later. Similarly, it would not be possible for people in all lands to observe the Feast of Tabernacles in the autumn. The Jews have found that it is not even possible for them to observe the Day of Atonement as ordered by God, except in connection with the Temple. The Passover could appropriately be observed in anticipation of a coming Redeemer, but not after His coming. All these feasts served their purpose, adapted as they were to the needs of the Jews while they lived in Palestine, prior to the coming of Messiah. They have ceased, but the seventh-day Sabbath remains.
To make sure that the Sabbath should not be considered a Jewish institution, and hence cease with the Jewish nation, Christ emphatically declared, “The sabbath was made for man” (Mark 2:27). He added, “Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath” (v. 28). It belongs to Him; He is “Lord” of it. Let none tamper with it, for they have no right to do so. It is “my holy day,” says God (Isa. 58:13).

(Le 23:37–38).
37 These are the set feasts or appointed seasons of the Lord, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to present an offering made by fire to the Lord, a burnt offering and a cereal offering, sacrifices and drink offerings, each on its own day.
38 This is in addition to the Sabbaths of the Lord and besides your gifts and all your vowed offerings and all your freewill offerings which you give to the Lord. The Amplified Bible. (1987).
 
2) sets aside "the law" (Heb 7:18-19) as weak and useless to obtain righteousness, and



Heb 7:18 "Weakness and unprofitableness".Not that it was so inherently for God Himself had instituted it. But it failed because of the people’s attitude toward it. They made the law an end in itself and believed that obedience to it would bring them salvation. They had the gospel preached unto them, but it did not profit them, not being mixed with faith


The change in the Law in vs 12 of Heb 7 is not saying it changed the 10 commandments it is changing the levitical law.

The law provided that only the Levites could serve at the tabernacle, and that only the sons of Aaron could be priests. Furthermore, it regulated the services of the priests with reference to the dispensation in which they served. It would be necessary to change the law if a priest were selected from another tribe (v. 13) and a new order of things were introduced (ch. 8:13).
 
Mat 22:37.Jesus quotes from Deut. 6:5. There must first be love in the heart before a person can, in the strength and by the grace of Christ, begin to observe the precepts of God’s law (Rom. 8:3, 4). Obedience without love is as impossible as it is worthless. But where love is present a person will automatically set out to order his life in harmony with the will of God as expressed in His commandments The words of Deut. 6:5 were recited by every devout Jew morning and evening as a part of the shema‘ Jews who had an insight into the inner meaning of “the law” (see on Deut. 31:9; Prov. 3:1) should have realized that its principles were not arbitrary but based on fundamental principles of right which might properly be summed up in the command “to love.”
 
"The Sabbath" is not a shadow of Christ it was here before sin. And will be here after sin (Isa chapter 66:23) on the new earth.

I place a Standing Objection against using Old testament to counter argue New Testament truths.
The old order has been changed by a last will and testament which Still holds authority by death of the testator.
That same testator furthermore has risen again to enforce the New Order.
If using the Old testament it must agree with the New Testament Covenant lest it be waxed away in the shadow of the reality that the Light of the Lord brings.



Colossians 2:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival,
a New Moon celebrationor a Sabbath day.[SUP]
17 [/SUP]
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
 
I place a Standing Objection against using Old testament to counter argue New Testament truths.
The old order has been changed by a last will and testament which Still holds authority by death of the testator.
That same testator furthermore has risen again to enforce the New Order.
If using the Old testament it must agree with the New Testament Covenant lest it be waxed away in the shadow of the reality that the Light of the Lord brings.



Colossians 2:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival,
a New Moon celebrationor a Sabbath day.[SUP]
17 [/SUP]
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Paul does not intend for the law of Christ to be seen as an alternative to the law of God the two work harmoniously together as the loving law of Christ is used to introduce those saved by grace to the law of loving God.

The reason why we can't seem to see eye to eye is because those who don't believe in the Sabbath lump the "The Sabbath" in with the sabbath's of (Col 2:16)

"The Sabbath day" is not a shadow of Christ.

The Sabbath is different from all the other feasts and holy convocations (Lev 23: 37, 38) in that it originated at creation (Gen. 2:1–3), whereas the annual feasts and “sabbaths” had their origin with the Jewish nation. The seventh-day Sabbath “was made for man” (Mark 2:27), and hence is of obligation for all men forever; the annual feasts were made for the Jews and ceased to be of obligation when type met Antitype at the death of Christ (Col. 2:16, 17). The seventh-day Sabbath is incorporated in the law of God, the Ten Commandments, His constitution for this world. Because it was made before sin entered, it will remain after sin is no more (Isa. 66:22, 23). On the other hand, the annual Jewish feasts were of only temporal, local, ceremonial application, fitted to conditions in Palestine, and could not be made of worldwide application.
Thus the Feast of First Fruits (of winter crops), celebrated in late spring, in May, could not be observed in the southern hemisphere till six months later. Similarly, it would not be possible for people in all lands to observe the Feast of Tabernacles in the autumn. The Jews have found that it is not even possible for them to observe the Day of Atonement as ordered by God, except in connection with the Temple. The Passover could appropriately be observed in anticipation of a coming Redeemer, but not after His coming. All these feasts served their purpose, adapted as they were to the needs of the Jews while they lived in Palestine, prior to the coming of Messiah. They have ceased, but the seventh-day Sabbath remains.
To make sure that the Sabbath should not be considered a Jewish institution, and hence cease with the Jewish nation, Christ emphatically declared, “The sabbath was made for man” (Mark 2:27). He added, “Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath” (v. 28). It belongs to Him; He is “Lord” of it. Let none tamper with it, for they have no right to do so. It is “my holy day,” says God (Isa. 58:13).

(Le 23:37–38).
37 These are the set feasts or appointed seasons of the Lord, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to present an offering made by fire to the Lord, a burnt offering and a cereal offering, sacrifices and drink offerings, each on its own day.
38 This is in addition to the Sabbaths of the Lord and besides your gifts and all your vowed offerings and all your freewill offerings which you give to the Lord. The Amplified Bible. (1987).


Not sure but I think you missed my post on the book of Colossians 2 but here it is.^^^^
 
Then by all means Keep the Sabbath day brother Laymen...

But can you tell me what reason you keep it for?
 
And because of that I don't contest you. :)
Although as it is for me,
for the same reason of Love for God I consider every day set aside for the Lord.
To do with as he guides.
As he ordains
As he leads
For the most part I don't plan my days, I let him plan them for me.
All of them...not just one.
So in this sense I apply the concept of if the Lord asks me to go one mile, I go with him two.
It's not that I try to free myself from church, but rather something more. It is therefore I consider every day alike.
I don't have to make time for him outside of my own schedule because every minute is his.
I don't have to set aside one day because every day is set aside.
Now if this were not the case then absolutely I would set aside at least one day for him.
But which is better, to keep one day holy, or to make all days holy?


Romans 14:5
5One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

Matthew 5:41
If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.
 
Midnightwelder

Why do you keep Sunday?

Did he not give us communion to remember him? So why do so many try to replace a teaching of the bible (i.e communion) with a non teaching of the bible (i.e Sunday worship) meaning people make a memorial of the resurrection when the bible does not teach Sunday as holy day. I just don't see that in the bible. That is not to say the resurrection is not important because it is! But God did not say remember my death that way. But he did say to remember he is the creator of the world and gave a Sabbath day for that remembrance.

Sabbath is a day to come together for church/synagogue, always was and always will be. Sunday is made up by man and makes void of the law of God by replace Sabbath with Sunday or any other day as a tradition.

Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.


Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
 
Midnightwelder

Why do you keep Sunday?

So why do so many try to replace a teaching of the bible (i.e communion) with a non teaching of the bible
(i.e Sunday worship) meaning people make a memorial of the resurrection when the bible does not teach Sunday as holy day.

Where is it that I have named any particular day of the week?
 
Where is it that I have named any particular day of the week?

Midnightwelder

Why do you keep Sunday?

Did he not give us communion to remember him? So why do so many try to replace a teaching of the bible (i.e communion) with a non teaching of the bible (i.e Sunday worship) meaning people make a memorial of the resurrection when the bible does not teach Sunday as holy day. I just don't see that in the bible. That is not to say the resurrection is not important because it is! But God did not say remember my death that way. But he did say to remember he is the creator of the world and gave a Sabbath day for that remembrance.

Sabbath is a day to come together for church/synagogue, always was and always will be. Sunday is made up by man and makes void of the law of God by replace Sabbath with Sunday or any other day as a tradition.

Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.


Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Notice the underlined part.......
 
I don't believe I've indicated one day over another.
A good thing to discover would be the difference between Sabbath day and Sabbath rest.

Also would be beneficial to read Hebrews chapter 9
and understand it in it's entirety as well as research what it means for Jesus to be High Priest under the order of Melchizedek.
Here's a question within that
Why did Jesus have to be Baptized if he was God incarnate.
(John himself said, I need to be baptized by YOU, yet you come to me?)
and why was Jesus not anointed with oil as was previously required when taking on the position of priest?
Once placed under the position of HIGH Priest, what authority did Jesus now Hold?


Here's a snippet in that chapter indicating the foreshadowing of things to come under a new order.
7But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.
8
The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning.
9This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper.
10
They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—
external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

UNTIL THE TIME OF THE NEW ORDER.
What order is in effect now?
Something has changed...can you find what it is?
:)
It's going to take some time and a little worthwhile research for you to put it all together but I've given you a starting point as I'm certain you're up to the challenge.
If I laid it all out here it would take pages.
 
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