Economically, Could Obama Be America's Best President?

[GodIsSalvation]

As a straight A MBA, I'm telling you that much of our "over spending," as you call it, can be normalized through a boom economy that removes people off social services enmasse and turns them into well paid taxpayers enmasse. This is supplemented with VATs on imports via trade reform, reform in the financial and banking sector, political sector reform (especially with respect to the legislature robbing entitlement funds and bailing out Wall Street), etc.... The budget gets balanced and the debt paid down too.

And why would I run for political office? As an independent political voter who is a Christian white male with conservative family values: I'd get crucified by the leftards and neo-cons just like Jesus was crucified by the unbelieving Jews and pagan Romans.

That is a good plan indeed, but honestly, we aren't growing our way out of the hole, that's just blunt honesty. Those jobs ain't coming back, even if we go to more protectionist style trade. I do like your idea on reforming the financial sector (would've thought they'd have done this when they bailed them out with over a trillion dollars), anti-corruption reform, etc.

Heh what you say is true on the election stuff, but if you just did a lil good old fashioned carpet-bagging there's many districts that vote for ya just for being a moral and conservative candidate (you don't even have to actually be conservative, you just have to have GOPers say you are.) Heh I get your point though, probably won't happen, but honestly, I think just from reading your statements on our many political discussion despite disagreements here and there you'd make a good House of Representative, Senate, or Governor or local level candidate. Like I said, I'd vote for ya (though running in Ohio be tough, big swing state here, no Party is guranteed victory ever.)


EDIT: also just saw you post on the Social Problems with links. Aye I 100% agree with you there!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Now you're just making false assertions GodIsSalvation from your ignorance and lack of sophistication in economics. I shared a couple pieces of the puzzle with you not an entire model but even you should be connecting those dots and realizing that with the requisite invention, innovation, and idea creation fueling such reforms for the benefit of a nation we certainly could.

In fact, if you were schooled in American economic history, you would already know that is exactly how we rose to become the greatest economic power in the world. But, you are not. Still, you could observe these principles at work with China's rise to surpass us and become the world's largest economy in the very near future... possibly by the end of this year or next year. Of course, there are differences with respect to China because their rise was not organic like the U.S.'s but rather parasitical as they simply took the American jobs, invention/innovation, capital investment, etc... that the U.S. offered to them on a silver platter (at the expense of Americans and the long-term U.S. national interest) though they would not have been ultimately successful if they hadn't exercised those principles for their benefit.

Anyways, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you over a hundred posts about something you obviously know little about. No offense.

 

[SonInMe]

The solution for all obamaites/liberals/socialists/marxists is government AgeofKnowledge. That can only be the answer they can fathom.

Its called being bought and paid for.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Now you're just making false assertions GodIsSalvation from your ignorance and lack of sophistication in economics. I shared a couple pieces of the puzzle with you not an entire model but even you should be connecting those dots and realizing that with the requisite invention, innovation, and idea creation fueling such reforms for the benefit of a nation we certainly could.

In fact, if you were schooled in American economic history, you would already know that is exactly how we rose to become the greatest economic power in the world. But, you are not. Still, you could observe these principles at work with China's rise to surpass us and become the world's largest economy in the very near future... possibly by the end of this year or next year. Of course, there are differences with respect to China because their rise was not organic like the U.S.'s but rather parasitical as they simply took the American jobs, invention/innovation, capital investment, etc... that the U.S. offered to them on a silver platter (at the expense of Americans and the long-term U.S. national interest) though they would not have been ultimately successful if they hadn't exercised those principles for their benefit.

Anyways, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you over a hundred posts about something you obviously know little about. No offense.

No offense taken my brother, I actually value your opinion on economics highly despite some minor disagreements. Hmm, been thinking perhaps we make an economics topic for discussion and analyses in Conspiracy, Corruption, and Theory Section.

I'd be highly interested in some of your opinions and theories and studies on other facets of economics, not just government spending/growth, but also consumerism, global trade, personal business, etc.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You can visit my economics blog over at Help Fix America First and also I've worked with Economy In Crisis | Your Economic Report – Daily

I do apologize for my lack of patience in my last post. Your gracious reply brought it to my attention. Peace.

No offense taken my brother, I actually value your opinion on economics highly despite some minor disagreements. Hmm, been thinking perhaps we make an economics topic for discussion and analyses in Conspiracy, Corruption, and Theory Section.

I'd be highly interested in some of your opinions and theories and studies on other facets of economics, not just government spending/growth, but also consumerism, global trade, personal business, etc.

 

[SonInMe]

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This would be funny if not for it being so sad.

I betcha germans believed Hitler was helping the jews too.

 

[posthuman]

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[11Eleven-Bravo]

I don't really see how there could even be an argument for the Presidents side that he economically has benefited the Nation as a whole. Small businesses are shutting down in droves, median earned income is considerably lower during President Obama's presidency than it was vs President Bush's, and house foreclosures are on the rise again.

President Bush made his fair share of mistakes, but President Obama has really not done anything to curtail and correct those errors. He has just added onto them if nothing else.

To put it into perspective as to how bad off we are economically... my entire platoon, and the entire company of Soldiers for that matter, went without toilet paper for a month earlier this year. So we just ended up buying it ourselves, when it normally is furnished by our Supply NCO.

So we couldn't afford to put toilet paper in our Barracks. Happy days are here right?

President Obama during the re-election campaign made many comments about how there were miscalculations involved in the economy, and that the damage caused by President Bush's administration has cut into his plans and the success of his own administration. To this day he still makes mention of the "mess" he inherited back in 2008 when Bush left office. President Obama seems to be involved in everything, but responsible for nothing. That irritates me, he's been playing the blame game for 6 years now and can't speak to the American people in a REAL Presidential manner, and own up to the fact that most of his policies have failed. Congress is more divided than ever, the debt continues to increase, small businesses have a an extremely low chance of succeeding in these economic conditions, the unemployment rate continues to rise, and American dependency on government entitlement programs is insane. 42 million Americans receive food stamp benefits... That's 13% of the nation.

 

[SonInMe]

While Bush did like to spend, it was the congress and its democratic led laws that brought this on...

don't let the media fool you...

and we elected ( well you did ) a democrat to fix the democrats failures....uh huh.

Our president should be thanking Bush. If not for Bush, Obama would have no one to blame because he knows, the guy in the mirror is never wrong.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

New Pew Research analysis of government data shows that student debt burdens are weighing on the economic fortunes of younger Americans, as households headed by young adults owing student debt lag far behind their peers in terms of wealth accumulation despite the many university ads in the media claiming the opposite:

Young Adults, Student Debt and Economic Well-Being | Pew Research Center’s Social & Demographic Trends Project

The study goes onto say; however, that household income is higher in households with college educated adults but omits to note that the primary reason for that is because those households have more two working parents than non-college educated households which often are single parent households.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Read: http://christianchat.com/christian-...labor-just-not-enough-jobs-2.html#post1546996

 

[SonInMe]

Our president is not even good economically for african americans....

Black unemployment under Obama – and Reagan | MysteryPatriot

 

[HookEmHorns]

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I'm sorry, but no one can objectively support the assertion that Obama's economic policies are the best in American history. It's absurd.

 

[David_1]

Economically, Could Obama Be America's Best President?


I'm sorry, but no one can objectively support the assertion that Obama's economic policies are the best in American history. It's absurd.

Well, stop right there, the debate is now over.

Can't argue with the evidence. HookemHorns said: It's absurd.

THAT'S IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE!!!!

Ageofknowledge even 'liked' it.

Game over man! Game over!

 

[shrimp]

Well, stop right there, the debate is now over.

Can't argue with the evidence. HookemHorns said: It's absurd.

THAT'S IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE!!!!

Ageofknowledge even 'liked' it.

Game over man! Game over!

There are plenty of other people providing you with proof. You have not responded to any of them, instead you attack the one who skipped the proof part and came to a conclusion. I have noticed you doing this on more than one thread. You ignore the one's providing sufficient evidence for claims on Obama and avoid debating with them and then you go after someone who doesn't provide proof. It's weak. Very weak.
My theory for you behavior is: that you do not have any evidence to back your claims that Obama is a great President and man. And you are afraid that your arguments may be rendered invalid because you don't live in the United States.

 

[SonInMe]

Sure Obama is a great economic president...

if you like...

high unemployment, almost doubled national debt and you believe concepts like..

a jobless recovery.

After Benghadzi ( sp ) and the IRS scandal and the VA scandal and all the other scandals of this administration...

believe everything they say.

That's not discernment its another d word...

delusion

 

[HookEmHorns]

Well, stop right there, the debate is now over.

Can't argue with the evidence. HookemHorns said: It's absurd.

THAT'S IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE!!!!

Ageofknowledge even 'liked' it.

Game over man! Game over!

My point is that there is no clear, objective evidence that supports an assertion that Obama is the greatest president on economic matters. My criticism lies in the argument that Obama is the "best." This thread as a whole is absurd. That's my point. Economic indicators will not show until several years from now how effective (or ineffective) President Obama's policies were.

 

[David_1]

My theory for you behavior is: that you do not have any evidence to back your claims that Obama is a great President and man. And you are afraid that your arguments may be rendered invalid because you don't live in the United States.

Or...... you could look at the original post and see that I only posted a link there. I personally wasn't making an argument in the topic of the thread.

 

[1still_waters]

Everyone is going to look at this through their own bias.
Reagan goes down in history as a hero to his supporters despite Iran Contra, the marines being killed in Lebanon, and the massive increase in deficit spending.

As a whole, I think historically we look at things in the big picture.

I've stated before.

He started with two wars. He ended two wars.

He started with a major global economic crisis with unemployment near 10%, many institutions on the brink of collapse. Unemployment will likely be in the 5%s when he leaves office, and the strong arm tactics used to save the institutions will probably look just like strong arm tactics used to save things in the past like the civil war, or when FDR took over industries to go to war. We tend to look back at Lincoln and FDR with favor, even though they made very strong handed moves.

Yeah Benghazi, and the IRS things are issues, but so was Iran Contra. Every administration has these types of events, but historians don't tend to hold those up as major factors.

As a Christian he is a major bust because he's pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, etc.

But through the lens of the secular historian, bringing two wars to an end and bringing back some stability after a major global financial crisis will probably give Obama lukewarm/mediocre opinions at worst. History tends to view the big picture.

 

[SonInMe]

Two wars? Hmmm...to what conclusion?

Iran Contra in no way compares to Benghazi...no americans were sacrificed for a poor foreign policy of, we are always wrong.

Reagan did not target individuals and groups of the left to persecute them...IRS scandal.

Reagan spent to rebuild our military not to line the pockets of his supporters as the Stimulus program did. Complete waste of money....17 trillion dollar debt....that ain't peanuts.

If there is 5% unemployment when Obama leaves office, pigs will fly.