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I agree with you completely, - God didn't create the evil, but God created each of His perfect creations with a free will to choose, not as robots. I even read a blog on this once on one of the web-sites and I liked it. Here it is : What Matters Most: Why Didn't God Make Us Robots?
Would anyone want to be a robot instead of a human?
Robot is programmed to do what he is designed to do, without feelings. Humans have feelings and aren't programmed, they can choose whether to obey God, their Creator, or disobey Him. So, evil, in this sense is a result of one's choice when one decides to do his own free will, while disobeying God and His principles. We are free to choose : to obey God and His laws, or disobey them.
So, if we live by His laws, - we are in light, if we choose to rebel against God and do the opposite, - we are in darkness. It's a choice, not a destiny. We can always turn away and come back to Him to be in His light, if we wish to. It's up to a person to decide.
[h=3]1 John 1:5 (New International Version (NIV))[/h]
[SUP]5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
Would anyone want to be a robot instead of a human?
Robot is programmed to do what he is designed to do, without feelings. Humans have feelings and aren't programmed, they can choose whether to obey God, their Creator, or disobey Him. So, evil, in this sense is a result of one's choice when one decides to do his own free will, while disobeying God and His principles. We are free to choose : to obey God and His laws, or disobey them. So, if we live by His laws, - we are in light, if we choose to rebel against God and do the opposite, - we are in darkness. It's a choice, not a destiny. We can always turn away and come back to Him to be in His light, if we wish to. It's up to a person to decide.
[h=3]1 John 1:5 (New International Version (NIV))[/h]
[SUP]5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
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If you ask such a question as this thread is titled, you do not know the story of sin.
Little by little Lucifer started to self-exaltation.
The Bible says,
"Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness." Ezekiel 28:17.
"Thou hast said in thine heart, . . . I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. . . . I will be like the Most High." Isaiah 14:13, 14.
Though God gave him his glory,
this mightiest, wisest, smartest angel came to think of his intelligenceit as pertaining to himself.
See, he did not keep Sabbath or worship God, and if you do not conatantly KNEEL DOWN to God in worship, you will eventually follow satans example
Satan was not happy with his position,
though the highest honored, smartest, singingest, wisest created being in the galaxy,
even above all the wise angels,
he developed the thought that they should appreciate him!
Little by little Lucifer started to self-exaltation.
The Bible says,
"Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness." Ezekiel 28:17.
"Thou hast said in thine heart, . . . I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. . . . I will be like the Most High." Isaiah 14:13, 14.
Though God gave him his glory,
this mightiest, wisest, smartest angel came to think of his intelligenceit as pertaining to himself.
See, he did not keep Sabbath or worship God, and if you do not conatantly KNEEL DOWN to God in worship, you will eventually follow satans example
Satan was not happy with his position,
though the highest honored, smartest, singingest, wisest created being in the galaxy,
even above all the wise angels,
he developed the thought that they should appreciate him!
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Yet I personally am glad to be weak
2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
not created evil, rather left that opportunity to be that in free choice to all. Without this choice how can one know. One could not and just be a puppet, with no emotions. Just as a Step ford wife, as man is this arrogant and selfish not to want others to have a free choice, All about self, at the cost of others free will. Which is what God is so angry about, get it I pray.
Sin is taking others against their free will, Adultery, lies, cheaters, manipulators into getting others to agree with them and thus use them in deception for their own gain. Mankind is selfishly evil, God is not.
What if God decided unjustly to flood the world again. For God was and is just in this is God not? And God keeps promises, God is that deep in love, and that honest all in all. Even throuigh the tragedies in life, Joseph, supposedly killed and Dad Israel believed the Son's that lied to him, and God saved Joseph, to save God's promise to Abraham, and Joseph served on Pharaohs court. When the lands had a famine, The house of Abraham was saved.
And Joseph stood in the Faith to God 13 years falsely in jail. Told his Brothers the good that came out of what they did.
So does not anyone get Romans 8:28 in truth? God uses evil to teach us and Adam and Eve, while yet evil over took them, were placed out of the Garden, to go ahead and play God, and work by the sweat of his brow, to learn to turn to God in Faith and trust God to lead to that land of milk and honey.
And we today, Gentiles are grafted in by believing God and trusting God all in all
Sin is taking others against their free will, Adultery, lies, cheaters, manipulators into getting others to agree with them and thus use them in deception for their own gain. Mankind is selfishly evil, God is not.
What if God decided unjustly to flood the world again. For God was and is just in this is God not? And God keeps promises, God is that deep in love, and that honest all in all. Even throuigh the tragedies in life, Joseph, supposedly killed and Dad Israel believed the Son's that lied to him, and God saved Joseph, to save God's promise to Abraham, and Joseph served on Pharaohs court. When the lands had a famine, The house of Abraham was saved.
And Joseph stood in the Faith to God 13 years falsely in jail. Told his Brothers the good that came out of what they did.
So does not anyone get Romans 8:28 in truth? God uses evil to teach us and Adam and Eve, while yet evil over took them, were placed out of the Garden, to go ahead and play God, and work by the sweat of his brow, to learn to turn to God in Faith and trust God to lead to that land of milk and honey.
And we today, Gentiles are grafted in by believing God and trusting God all in all
Richie, Brother, see what savedbygrace has done, incited you to walk by flesh, and this does not matter whether he does this on purpose or not, it is what it is, and does draw one's flesh nature out of the grave, so Brother see this and walk as Christ walked, asking for the answer as you did answer truthfully and leave it at that. God will teach us Brother, and so I have learned as you have and are learning to this:
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
We are born again, not of the flesh dead Spirit, now of the Spirit of God in the resurrected Christ not the dead one. Dead was needed first though to clear, cleanse the deck, for Father to give us new life in the resurrected Christ
Thanks Jesus and Father as one in Spirit and truth
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
We are born again, not of the flesh dead Spirit, now of the Spirit of God in the resurrected Christ not the dead one. Dead was needed first though to clear, cleanse the deck, for Father to give us new life in the resurrected Christ
Thanks Jesus and Father as one in Spirit and truth
Yet after the cross, God gives Peter three dreams in Spirit and truth. Peter sees the birds and fowls and creepy things and hears in his dream to kill and eat. peter says no way, he will not eat anything unclean. And god says why call anything unclesn when God has cleansed all things.
Peter ends up going into a Gentile house, foirbidden by Law and preaches the Gospel, by the Spiti of God through him. Not Peter's words, God's in the power of the Holy Spirit and truth came upon the Gentiles, even before any water Baptism. Later Peter sees God has no respect of persons, and that it is not about Law, do this to be sure and do not do that to be sure. It is not of mankind, it is of God to redeem us and this is doine to be well in God by belief in Son's finished work for us, extinguishing evil all of it in being too busy in praise and worsdhip in Spirit and truth of Father
psalms 100:4 real clear on this. if you want sin to stop, evil, get too busy in Pslms 100:4
Peter ends up going into a Gentile house, foirbidden by Law and preaches the Gospel, by the Spiti of God through him. Not Peter's words, God's in the power of the Holy Spirit and truth came upon the Gentiles, even before any water Baptism. Later Peter sees God has no respect of persons, and that it is not about Law, do this to be sure and do not do that to be sure. It is not of mankind, it is of God to redeem us and this is doine to be well in God by belief in Son's finished work for us, extinguishing evil all of it in being too busy in praise and worsdhip in Spirit and truth of Father
psalms 100:4 real clear on this. if you want sin to stop, evil, get too busy in Pslms 100:4
#1.Did God know that before He created him that he would rebel ? ? Yes or No ?
God, knows and that is really all that matters, whom I trust no matter what. Now my speculation is I say yes of coarse God knew? But no matter what it does not matter whether God knew or not.
#2. Could Lucifer had rebelled if God did not create him in the first place ? Yes or No ?
How could Lucifer or anyone rebel if not created, to begin with? If there is no you, there is no rebellion possible is there?
God, knows and that is really all that matters, whom I trust no matter what. Now my speculation is I say yes of coarse God knew? But no matter what it does not matter whether God knew or not.
#2. Could Lucifer had rebelled if God did not create him in the first place ? Yes or No ?
How could Lucifer or anyone rebel if not created, to begin with? If there is no you, there is no rebellion possible is there?
Very good point. That takes us to the earth as it was before the first day when God said "let there be light" and we learn the light was not the sun and moon but goodness and illumination for us.
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
When we search for what scripture meant by darkness, we find it isn't lack of sun, but the word used is almost the same as words describing evil.
That takes us to a question of where did this darkness that was there come from?
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
When we search for what scripture meant by darkness, we find it isn't lack of sun, but the word used is almost the same as words describing evil.
That takes us to a question of where did this darkness that was there come from?
The prince of this world Satan has been judged and taken care of by Christ. What is left over is mankind's flesh dead Spirit of selfishness to be put under our lord's feet, and made alive in Spirit and truth, if one decodes to beleive Father comes to live in us and teach us truth from error, to set us free in Spirit and truth to walk as Son walked
problem is self flesh in the way as was in Saul's way, before he became Paul and was taught first then sent out to tell us, to put no confidence in ones flesh. But man just treads forward in ignoring this and by this evil stays here in this world, comin gout of all mankind to I am right, you are wrong attitudes of selfish flesh natures. That Paul wrote about to the Corinthians
problem is self flesh in the way as was in Saul's way, before he became Paul and was taught first then sent out to tell us, to put no confidence in ones flesh. But man just treads forward in ignoring this and by this evil stays here in this world, comin gout of all mankind to I am right, you are wrong attitudes of selfish flesh natures. That Paul wrote about to the Corinthians
I"ll answer if I may
God does know all and have a purpose in all. God knowing all gave the free choice to have to choose God (good) over evil.
Without the awareness of evil how would one know to choose God is only good, yet aware of evil. But doe no evil, only justice and gave Mercy through Son to all to choose this believe God or not. Where at Judgement there will be no excuse for mankind to where they themselves chose to go, by beleivinmg God or not. The whole truth not part, the whole truth
God through Son's death, took away the sin of thew whole world in Father's sight. So by that Father knowing no evil as in ever doing evil, only justice. Can and will give one new life in Spirit and truth in the resurrected Son, Jesus Christ, not in the death. Death was for the cleansing, the resurrection for the new life in Spirit and truth of Father to lead us from that moment on, and if we do fail, Father right there to teach us our error(s) in not trusting Father through Son's finished work for us. And we thus learn to walk as Christ walked
True or false?
God does know all and have a purpose in all. God knowing all gave the free choice to have to choose God (good) over evil.
Without the awareness of evil how would one know to choose God is only good, yet aware of evil. But doe no evil, only justice and gave Mercy through Son to all to choose this believe God or not. Where at Judgement there will be no excuse for mankind to where they themselves chose to go, by beleivinmg God or not. The whole truth not part, the whole truth
God through Son's death, took away the sin of thew whole world in Father's sight. So by that Father knowing no evil as in ever doing evil, only justice. Can and will give one new life in Spirit and truth in the resurrected Son, Jesus Christ, not in the death. Death was for the cleansing, the resurrection for the new life in Spirit and truth of Father to lead us from that moment on, and if we do fail, Father right there to teach us our error(s) in not trusting Father through Son's finished work for us. And we thus learn to walk as Christ walked
True or false?