DID GOD CREATE EVIL?

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God made Evil, its right before you in scripture ! Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

So you really don't believe the bible !

Is the evil of Isa 45:7 moral or does it refer to destruction/calamity?
 
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In other words what difference does it make if God created the evil or not?
I think we are to know that God created evil, and God created good. It does make a difference. We are told of Adam as he lived before his mind was opened to the knowledge of evil and Adam afterwards he knew evil. It explains that now we are "born in sin". With this information, it helps us understand living a life with Christ our savior, and what blood stood for in all the OT that we need to know. It does make a difference, now we know God is supreme, above all things.

In our spiritual church today, many members are very aware the Christ saves them but they stop there. After salvation, God wants us to live a life for Him, and many refuse to acknowledge that, so they deny themselves the blessings of the Lord in their life here on earth. They are saved through Christ, but turn their backs on the abundance God wants for them through obedience as God points to it.
 
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Evil is that which results in pain, sorrow, or distress. In order to convey the correct thought in English, the very comprehensive Hebrew word ra‛ is variously translated as “bad,” “gloomy,” “ugly,” “evil,” “calamitous,” “malignant,” “ungenerous,” and “envious,” depending upon the context. (Ge 2:9; 40:7; 41:3; Ex 33:4; De 6:22; 28:35; Pr 23:6; 28:22) The Greek word ka·kos′ may be defined as that which is (1) morally evil and (2) destructive; among the ways it has been translated are: “bad,” “evil,” “hurtful,” “injurious,” “wrong.” (Ro 7:19; 12:17; Col 3:5; Tit 1:12; Heb 5:14) The Hebrew verb qa·lal′ means “call down evil upon.”


Rightly, Yahweh brought evil or calamity upon Adam for his disobedience. Hence, in the Scriptures, Yahweh is referred to as the Creator of evil or calamity. (Isa 45:7; compare KJ.) His enforcing of the penalty for sin, namely, death, has proved to be an evil, or a calamity, for mankind. So, then, evil is not always synonymous with wrongdoing. Examples of evils or calamities created by Yahweh are the Flood of Noah’s day and the Ten Plagues visited upon Egypt. But these evils were not wrongs. Rather, the rightful administration of justice against wrongdoers was involved in both cases. However, at times Yahweh, in his mercy, has refrained from bringing the intended calamity or evil in execution of his righteous judgment because of the repentance on the part of those concerned. (Jon 3:10) Additionally, in having a warning given, Yahweh has undeservedly provided opportunities for the practicers of bad to change their course and thus to keep living.—Eze 33:11.
 
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Well Something I have come to a conclusion about it all. I have heard many explanations, and different meanings. and countless arguments and discussions about this subject. It has come to my conclusion that People really dont know for sure. people are giving there own thought on it, and some will claim that they are right, because they believe what they think is right. But in reality. No one actually knows.

So until Jesus Comes back, we all can only speculate, the true meaning of evil, but in that time. It possible that evil may have a whole different meaning in those times. But over the years we have adapted it as a differnt meaning.

Yes we can pray for understanding from God. But without sound harsh, but how many people actually pray to God for understanding? How many people actually take Matthew 7: 7 litterally? So going back to evil and the meaning of evil in this OP. I'm more leaning to believe it meant something slightly different. and If I am wrong to believe it that way, then I hold my hands up and appologise to God. But all we can do is just take what it says in the bible. and not put our own thoughts with it. It was written for a reason, even though we cant see the full emotion behind it all. as You can never see emotion behind texts or something thats written.

But with the bible? We Just need to read it, accept it, and apply it to us all. who are we to add anything to the bible by our own thought and understanding? Its been written, All thats left, is for us to accept it or not. Whether to follow it or not, and whether to trust it or not. thats our free will.

God bless
 
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I am afraid that any language is man-made... hence imperfect.

As one of many examples, if, on my Arabic New Testament, Jesus also 'commands me to Love' (God and neighbour) as it is written in English, I would know He is not serious, because anything in life may or could be commanded but True Love. Would it be my own thought for believing that True Love (unconditional) cannot be commanded, just because zillions of people are not ready to love others (friends, enemies and even God), if they are not commanded first by God to do it?

For instance, 'commandment' is translated in Arabic as 'important advice' (I don't know how to say it with one word in English
).
 
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Did God purposely create humans knowing that they would bring evil into His World ? Yes or No !
No. He gave us a free will. It might have occurred to him that we might do evil things, but he had to wait and see.
 
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No. He gave us a free will. It might have occurred to him that we might do evil things, but he had to wait and see.
Blasphemy : There is not one scripture that says:

It might have occurred to him that we might do evil things, but he had to wait and see
You don't even believe in the True God !
 
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Evil is that which results in pain, sorrow, or distress. In order to convey the correct thought in English, the very comprehensive Hebrew word ra‛ is variously translated as “bad,” “gloomy,” “ugly,” “evil,” “calamitous,” “malignant,” “ungenerous,” and “envious,” depending upon the context. (Ge 2:9; 40:7; 41:3; Ex 33:4; De 6:22; 28:35; Pr 23:6; 28:22) The Greek word ka·kos′ may be defined as that which is (1) morally evil and (2) destructive; among the ways it has been translated are: “bad,” “evil,” “hurtful,” “injurious,” “wrong.” (Ro 7:19; 12:17; Col 3:5; Tit 1:12; Heb 5:14) The Hebrew verb qa·lal′ means “call down evil upon.”


Rightly, Yahweh brought evil or calamity upon Adam for his disobedience. Hence, in the Scriptures, Yahweh is referred to as the Creator of evil or calamity. (Isa 45:7; compare KJ.) His enforcing of the penalty for sin, namely, death, has proved to be an evil, or a calamity, for mankind. So, then, evil is not always synonymous with wrongdoing. Examples of evils or calamities created by Yahweh are the Flood of Noah’s day and the Ten Plagues visited upon Egypt. But these evils were not wrongs. Rather, the rightful administration of justice against wrongdoers was involved in both cases. However, at times Yahweh, in his mercy, has refrained from bringing the intended calamity or evil in execution of his righteous judgment because of the repentance on the part of those concerned. (Jon 3:10) Additionally, in having a warning given, Yahweh has undeservedly provided opportunities for the practicers of bad to change their course and thus to keep living.—Eze 33:11.
God created the evil of wrong doing ! Scripture says He Created Evil Isa 45:7

The word evil, rah means:

I.bad, evil
A.
bad, disagreeable, malignant

B.
bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)

C.
evil, displeasing

D.
bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)

E.
bad (of value)

F.
worse than, worst (comparison)

G.
sad, unhappy

H.
evil (hurtful)

I.
bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)

J.
bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
i.
in general, of persons, of thoughts

ii.
deeds, actions

Ethical evil was Created by God !

Wicked men were Created by God Prov 16:4

4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
 

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I think we are to know that God created evil, and God created good. It does make a difference. We are told of Adam as he lived before his mind was opened to the knowledge of evil and Adam afterwards he knew evil. It explains that now we are "born in sin". With this information, it helps us understand living a life with Christ our savior, and what blood stood for in all the OT that we need to know. It does make a difference, now we know God is supreme, above all things.

In our spiritual church today, many members are very aware the Christ saves them but they stop there. After salvation, God wants us to live a life for Him, and many refuse to acknowledge that, so they deny themselves the blessings of the Lord in their life here on earth. They are saved through Christ, but turn their backs on the abundance God wants for them through obedience as God points to it.
Thank you for this, appreciate it. for I know this, I am not to Judge you or others as to if they know or not. mi am just to put the Love of God out there as led to do as in 1 Cor 13:4-13, and trust God to do this below:
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

praying and knowing this God will do and us all this below
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

So in this I can rest, knowing God's unfathomable love, that God has shown me
Love to you Sister no matter what and walk as Christ walked in Spirit and truth he did. So the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth, is Justified and sanctified to come and live not only in us, but through us.
I am thankful for this rest from the stress I had put on myself. I am free to love as God in 1 Cor 13:4-13, god imputes this to God's children as which you are.
 

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I am afraid that any language is man-made... hence imperfect.

As one of many examples, if, on my Arabic New Testament, Jesus also 'commands me to Love' (God and neighbour) as it is written in English, I would know He is not serious, because anything in life may or could be commanded but True Love. Would it be my own thought for believing that True Love (unconditional) cannot be commanded, just because zillions of people are not ready to love others (friends, enemies and even God), if they are not commanded first by God to do it?

For instance, 'commandment' is translated in Arabic as 'important advice' (I don't know how to say it with one word in English
).
Important advice is perfectly put and thank you for that tidbit of wisdom. That is helpful to the rest he came to give us and be at peace by not having to, one does, amazing isn't it.
 

homwardbound

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I am afraid that any language is man-made... hence imperfect.

As one of many examples, if, on my Arabic New Testament, Jesus also 'commands me to Love' (God and neighbour) as it is written in English, I would know He is not serious, because anything in life may or could be commanded but True Love. Would it be my own thought for believing that True Love (unconditional) cannot be commanded, just because zillions of people are not ready to love others (friends, enemies and even God), if they are not commanded first by God to do it?

For instance, 'commandment' is translated in Arabic as 'important advice' (I don't know how to say it with one word in English
).
welcome aboard mate:
 
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welcome aboard mate:
Thank you.

As languages are, I am not perfect too.


So I always expect (hope) to be notified if, due to my ignorance (lack of complete knowledge). I may cross anyone's limit.
 

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I think we are to know that God created evil, and God created good. It does make a difference. We are told of Adam as he lived before his mind was opened to the knowledge of evil and Adam afterwards he knew evil. It explains that now we are "born in sin". With this information, it helps us understand living a life with Christ our savior, and what blood stood for in all the OT that we need to know. It does make a difference, now we know God is supreme, above all things.

In our spiritual church today, many members are very aware the Christ saves them but they stop there. After salvation, God wants us to live a life for Him, and many refuse to acknowledge that, so they deny themselves the blessings of the Lord in their life here on earth. They are saved through Christ, but turn their backs on the abundance God wants for them through obedience as God points to it.
They are not really saved because once rejecting truth there is no more remission of sins , in rejecting truth they do this for either lack of knowledge or simply plain openface ignorance or the real word wich is strait up defiance by the rejection of truth becoming deceived because their love faileth them therefore iniquity grew and waxed their heart making it cold and unsensitive to sin causing almost if not surely spiritual death a true seperation from God, but it is importance to seek a real relationship with our Lord and not part timers for that is one thing the Lord hates .
 
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Satan's Abominable Tulip

Calvinism is blasphemy. It blasphemes God’s holy name His character.

Satans Tulip
 

homwardbound

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Thank you.

As languages are, I am not perfect too.


So I always expect (hope) to be notified if, due to my ignorance (lack of complete knowledge). I may cross anyone's limit.
If we learn to walk in Spirit and truth, we will only cross the dead spirit flesh attitudes, of wanting to be in control and not open to correction. I see we all need to grow up and get past emotional hurt feelings that know no right or wrong. They just predictably respond to whatever is going on in their mind at the time. EX: Like go to a scary movie, and when you respond scared or jump out of your seat, your emotions are causing this in response to what is in your mind at that moment. And you know it is only a move and not real, yet your emotional reactions do not know this and just respond.
So separate emotions from truth. The battlefield in the mind, is a mine field of emotions, that when emotions are in the lead, Bombs go off all day long
I find this a problem with all of us, in this: when one does not feel heard, one complains and argues and makes accusations to others that they claim this hurt to, and might be righteous in it, when others have had their bombs go off in their mine field, and another tosses another and we get confusion and anger and love to each other is set aside and we fight and war after what? T o get our own way.
So I say learn this fight to be taught to us in learning the art of fighting without fighting. When you see an0other and or self, going off in the mine field of their own self, just love them anyway. I mean did not God do this:
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

How many are still dead in ntheir own fleshly self desires, and pleading their way, not seeing the deep love of God to all?
 

homwardbound

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Satan's Abominable Tulip

Calvinism is blasphemy. It blasphemes God’s holy name His character.

Satans Tulip
Satan's Tulip, is it not nothing more than flesh and blood, wanting its own selfish ways and fights to get it? Is when born of the flesh and blood, we are dead to the Spirit of God in truth and freedom of God's miraculous love to us all through Son, Jesus Christ? So is this why Chirst came to give us new life in Spirit and truth? Because we are born dead to Spirit and truth from the womb.
John 3 pretty clear on this, our need to be born again
 

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This is still going on ? Who is still confused?