It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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So is yuor mind and conscience defiled or freed in rest with the best Christ Jesus, whom is the one that put me to rest
Who says to me every time. Carry on my wayward Son, there will be peace when you are done
That is carry on in God's amazing love to all, Thank you and love you, God';s way not mankind, where man judges by the outward appearance and God by what God knows is truth. So I am personally convicted as a filthy rag, and you; are you, a filthy rag even though you are doing what you beleive to be right? does doing make one any better than a filthy rag?
Who says to me every time. Carry on my wayward Son, there will be peace when you are done
That is carry on in God's amazing love to all, Thank you and love you, God';s way not mankind, where man judges by the outward appearance and God by what God knows is truth. So I am personally convicted as a filthy rag, and you; are you, a filthy rag even though you are doing what you beleive to be right? does doing make one any better than a filthy rag?
Originally Posted by Atwood
Seabass, are you aware that the above is just you saying things; not one verse of Bible proof at all. Such an argument is futile.
The POV of eternal security is that men who are saved are in fact saved. They need "foot-washing", but in essence they are saved. They do not persist in gross sin. If they start to, they will be chastened, delivered to satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved, as in 1 Cor 6.
In John 13 we read about the Last Supper:
Then he poureth water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. So he cometh to Simon Peter. He saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet? Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt understand hereafter. Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit:"
The Bible guarantees chastening by the Father to the child of God. But what Father would burn his son alive forever?
"If ES were true, you would . . . ."
Now dear Seabass, you can worry about this and worry about how that fits with eternal security; but eternal security is a blessed fact to the believer, regardless of how you correlate other subjects with it.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish,
Dear Seabass, can you not just let go and trust the Savior with your eternal destiny?
Here is a guarantee:
Two complementary provisions:
1) an eternal and
2) a never.
I g i v e them e t e r n a l life,
and they will n e v e r perish,
Which part of eternal do could one fail to understand?
Which part of never could you fail to understand?
The N, the E, the V, the second E, or the R ?
Seabass, are you aware that the above is just you saying things; not one verse of Bible proof at all. Such an argument is futile.
The POV of eternal security is that men who are saved are in fact saved. They need "foot-washing", but in essence they are saved. They do not persist in gross sin. If they start to, they will be chastened, delivered to satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved, as in 1 Cor 6.
In John 13 we read about the Last Supper:
Then he poureth water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. So he cometh to Simon Peter. He saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet? Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt understand hereafter. Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit:"
The Bible guarantees chastening by the Father to the child of God. But what Father would burn his son alive forever?
"If ES were true, you would . . . ."
Now dear Seabass, you can worry about this and worry about how that fits with eternal security; but eternal security is a blessed fact to the believer, regardless of how you correlate other subjects with it.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish,
Dear Seabass, can you not just let go and trust the Savior with your eternal destiny?
Here is a guarantee:
Two complementary provisions:
1) an eternal and
2) a never.
I g i v e them e t e r n a l life,
and they will n e v e r perish,
Which part of eternal do could one fail to understand?
Which part of never could you fail to understand?
The N, the E, the V, the second E, or the R ?
Say what you will i have no fight with you. Your fight is with God, and I trust God to do wahtever God does or not.
I know I am Judged of you and okay, no problem, I trust in Goid who knows not only me, yet you as well. So I ask for you to bge free in God set free.
Do you beleive in the truth that sets one free?>
Are you free and at rest while you go to work everyday?
Then you are not free are you, The bondage you are in has not yet set you free has it
So as Paul said this, I say the same
1 Corinthians 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
1 Corinthians 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
I know I am Judged of you and okay, no problem, I trust in Goid who knows not only me, yet you as well. So I ask for you to bge free in God set free.
Do you beleive in the truth that sets one free?>
Are you free and at rest while you go to work everyday?
Then you are not free are you, The bondage you are in has not yet set you free has it
So as Paul said this, I say the same
1 Corinthians 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
1 Corinthians 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
Originally Posted by Atwood
Seabass, are you aware that the above is just you saying things; not one verse of Bible proof at all. Such an argument is futile.
The POV of eternal security is that men who are saved are in fact saved. They need "foot-washing", but in essence they are saved. They do not persist in gross sin. If they start to, they will be chastened, delivered to satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved, as in 1 Cor 6.
In John 13 we read about the Last Supper:
Then he poureth water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. So he cometh to Simon Peter. He saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet? Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt understand hereafter. Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit:"
The Bible guarantees chastening by the Father to the child of God. But what Father would burn his son alive forever?
"If ES were true, you would . . . ."
Now dear Seabass, you can worry about this and worry about how that fits with eternal security; but eternal security is a blessed fact to the believer, regardless of how you correlate other subjects with it.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish,
Dear Seabass, can you not just let go and trust the Savior with your eternal destiny?
Here is a guarantee:
Two complementary provisions:
1) an eternal and
2) a never.
I g i v e them e t e r n a l life,
and they will n e v e r perish,
Which part of eternal do could one fail to understand?
Which part of never could you fail to understand?
The N, the E, the V, the second E, or the R ?
Seabass, are you aware that the above is just you saying things; not one verse of Bible proof at all. Such an argument is futile.
The POV of eternal security is that men who are saved are in fact saved. They need "foot-washing", but in essence they are saved. They do not persist in gross sin. If they start to, they will be chastened, delivered to satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved, as in 1 Cor 6.
In John 13 we read about the Last Supper:
Then he poureth water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. So he cometh to Simon Peter. He saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet? Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt understand hereafter. Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit:"
The Bible guarantees chastening by the Father to the child of God. But what Father would burn his son alive forever?
"If ES were true, you would . . . ."
Now dear Seabass, you can worry about this and worry about how that fits with eternal security; but eternal security is a blessed fact to the believer, regardless of how you correlate other subjects with it.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish,
Dear Seabass, can you not just let go and trust the Savior with your eternal destiny?
Here is a guarantee:
Two complementary provisions:
1) an eternal and
2) a never.
I g i v e them e t e r n a l life,
and they will n e v e r perish,
Which part of eternal do could one fail to understand?
Which part of never could you fail to understand?
The N, the E, the V, the second E, or the R ?
The context does NOT say the "eternal life" or the "never" are UNCONDITIONAL.
Brother, thank God you got what you needed as I get back waht I need to sharpen the iron as well, and grow in the amazing grace.
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
As King David looked forward as many of the First Testament Saints did as well.
I am looking back the same Thanksgiving and praise
Today we are looking at the event that has happened, done, finished to really glory in and not lookl forward to back at and not to take for granted, to appreciate it is finished, John 19:30
Thanks back and so let us walk in Spirit and truth, trusting as the Disciples did when sent out in Matt. 10:16-20. I see this for all the beleivers that hear in the Spirit not the flesh
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
As King David looked forward as many of the First Testament Saints did as well.
I am looking back the same Thanksgiving and praise
Today we are looking at the event that has happened, done, finished to really glory in and not lookl forward to back at and not to take for granted, to appreciate it is finished, John 19:30
Thanks back and so let us walk in Spirit and truth, trusting as the Disciples did when sent out in Matt. 10:16-20. I see this for all the beleivers that hear in the Spirit not the flesh
1 Co 9:1 Paul called those Corinthian converts his "work". Paul in the context is speaking about building a building as one "builds" the church and the "work" done to "build" the church is making converts.
The passage is perverted by those trying to force the man-made teaching of ES into it. 1 Cor 9:27 Paul said of himself that he could become a reprobate.
Nu 14:12 is about the chosen, elect nation Israel.
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God will actually only chasten hid own, if one is his. And we are the ones that cause our own demise, and bring our own punishments
As in when we were a child, went out on Halloween. Got lots of candy, and were told not to eat too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and what do we do, not listen and get sick. Does God punish us for this? I know flesh people, parents do, and we learn abuse and do not learn to .listen
God says why should I punish you Jimmy, you got sick did you not? Johnny says yes. So in essence Johnny you punished yourself by not listening and thus doing correct? Johnny. yes
The Lord says now next time will you listen and do according to what I ( God say)
And thus we see a loving Father, not the misguided flesh that punishes and punishes over one already punished for getting sick from not listening, have already punished themselves right or wrong?
When will we learn, how long as Jesus said, must he be with you, to the disciples, stating it is your Faith in him, to God the Father that you are saved
Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Any work that you think is required nullifies the gift. Think on that for a minute or two
And that does not mean one does not do any works, this is to reveal the motive behind any works one does and will either be rewarded for it or burned up. The motive is what we need to see not in others, more so in our own selves you think?
As in when we were a child, went out on Halloween. Got lots of candy, and were told not to eat too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and what do we do, not listen and get sick. Does God punish us for this? I know flesh people, parents do, and we learn abuse and do not learn to .listen
God says why should I punish you Jimmy, you got sick did you not? Johnny says yes. So in essence Johnny you punished yourself by not listening and thus doing correct? Johnny. yes
The Lord says now next time will you listen and do according to what I ( God say)
And thus we see a loving Father, not the misguided flesh that punishes and punishes over one already punished for getting sick from not listening, have already punished themselves right or wrong?
When will we learn, how long as Jesus said, must he be with you, to the disciples, stating it is your Faith in him, to God the Father that you are saved
Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Any work that you think is required nullifies the gift. Think on that for a minute or two
And that does not mean one does not do any works, this is to reveal the motive behind any works one does and will either be rewarded for it or burned up. The motive is what we need to see not in others, more so in our own selves you think?
1`Cor 9:1 Paul calls his Corinthians converts his "work" so I am not adding anything to the context of 1 Cor.
Paul told the Galatians 'ye are fallen from grace'. Logically one cannot fall from grace if he was never in grace, so the "never really saved" excuse cannot work here.
2 Cor 5:17 "new creatures' are IN CHRIST, grace is also in Christ, 2 Tim 2;1, and one can, as the Galatians fall away from Christ/from grace.
yes we could divide everything that is or will be into those two categories. We could also say, that entire passage is talking about all "other" elements. Why the jump? well, when I read that whole passage (as I have when just reading the bible) I didn't pull away from it nor the rest of the bible that I didn't have to continually choose to embrace my relationship with God over the carnality of the world. (serving 2 masters) At the end of that passage I notice "nor any (other) creature."
Now, I agree that even committing a sin doesn't separate us from the love of God. I know that. That's why He chastises those He loves. What about the church that is lukewarm and is spewed out of His mouth? what about the eye that causes us to sin? what about the foot that causes us to sin? what about the old wineskin?
[h=3]James 5:19-20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Now, I agree that even committing a sin doesn't separate us from the love of God. I know that. That's why He chastises those He loves. What about the church that is lukewarm and is spewed out of His mouth? what about the eye that causes us to sin? what about the foot that causes us to sin? what about the old wineskin?
[h=3]James 5:19-20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.