The Cross should not be our symbol

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ronnie2796

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Just don't answer that,...It will only make you more frustrated than you already are,..Let it goooooo.

*starts singing Frozen songs*
 
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Tintin

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I absolutely believe we can question but we should do it with the aim to seek understanding, not to discredit the Bible and find reasons to reject God's Word and God. I certainly don't hold to the view that those who disagree with me aren't Christian (there are plenty I don't agree with but only some of them spread false teachings) but as I've said before, your posts and your attitude towards core Christian beliefs seem to speak volumes.
 
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I absolutely believe we can question but we should do it with the aim to seek understanding, not to discredit the Bible and find reasons to reject God's Word and God. I certainly don't hold to the view that those who disagree with me aren't Christian (there are plenty I don't agree with but only some of them spread false teachings) but as I've said before, your posts and your attitude towards core Christian beliefs seem to speak volumes.
Ah. So this is a problem with "understanding". Because eventually, you end up on a road where you have two choices.

Choice A: The only answer you can derive from said verse, topic, or event in the bible.

Choice B: Be ignorant of that fact, and try to "re-interpret" it into something that it is not against your already held beliefs.


You'll see this a lot when the topics of genocide, slavery, and sin are brought up in the bible.
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My attitude is of someone who has studied other religions and Christianity.


I don't share the hippy-jesus feelings most here have. I don't particularly care for the vague answers that don't address the questions.

Maybe I'm just more practical, who knows?
 

Hanady

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The cross reminds us of what Jesus did for us, it’s not a reminder of pain alone but of love, it’s a symbol of God’s love, it is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God. The Cross in the first century was a Roman Torture Device for criminals. The cruel cross upon which Jesus died became the means for which God the Father provided Salvation for all mankind.
 
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The cross reminds us of what Jesus did for us, it’s not a reminder of pain alone but of love, it’s a symbol of God’s love, it is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God. The Cross in the first century was a Roman Torture Device for criminals. The cruel cross upon which Jesus died became the means for which God the Father provided Salvation for all mankind.
hanady: To the Greeks Christ crucified was foolishness and to the Jews a stumbling block, but to us who believe the wisdom and power of God (1 Corinthians 1.23).

Blessings, f
 
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PS: hanady, I think from what you say you must definitely go to an evangelical congregation there in Lebanon. Blessings.
 
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The cross reminds us of what Jesus did for us, it’s not a reminder of pain alone but of love, it’s a symbol of God’s love, it is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God. The Cross in the first century was a Roman Torture Device for criminals. The cruel cross upon which Jesus died became the means for which God the Father provided Salvation for all mankind.
Again? Is the reading comprehension that low here?


Jesus died from X

Why do we use X to symbolize Jesus? Why not anything else he did in his life?
 

Hanady

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I guess i already explained what i think so its up to u to understand it or not or to accept it or not
 
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Tintin

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Again? Is the reading comprehension that low here?


Jesus died from X

Why do we use X to symbolize Jesus? Why not anything else he did in his life?
Yes, everyone here but you is an idiot. Get over yourself! Why does believing what the Bible really teaches mean we're stupid? How about actually believing what God wrote in His Word?
 

TheAristocat

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Jesus did so many things in his life, taught so many people.

Yet Christianity's symbol is the cross.......An ancient torture method used to kill people.
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Think about it. We are glorifying a method used to brutally kill someone.

If it was a iron maiden, or an AK, or any number of murder tools, would you still be ok with it?
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Just a bit disturbed that our Religion had idolized this torture tool as if it's ok.


People are justifying it because it "stands for Jesus"? No it doesn't, it stands for how he was murdered.


Do we remember JFK, MLKjr., Ghandi, by the symbol of a bullet? NO! Why? Because it's sick and demented to do so.
I always thought the symbol should be replaced by a snake on a pole. But then again we know what happened to that...

2 Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)

Basically, I think if the pole was a good enough symbol for God it's good enough for me.
 
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Yes, everyone here but you is an idiot. Get over yourself! Why does believing what the Bible really teaches mean we're stupid? How about actually believing what God wrote in His Word?
Just wanted to correct something here.
(I don't care about the OP, make it a cross or make it Jesus figurine, doesn't bother me).

God didn't technically "write" the bible. The bible is a story of god and what he did/said, but it was clearly written by humans.

I'm not saying it's not divinely inspired or such, but you should have said "believe what god teaches.".

Sorry, just bugged me while reading this thread.
 
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Tintin

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Just wanted to correct something here.
(I don't care about the OP, make it a cross or make it Jesus figurine, doesn't bother me).

God didn't technically "write" the bible. The bible is a story of god and what he did/said, but it was clearly written by humans.

I'm not saying it's not divinely inspired or such, but you should have said "believe what god teaches.".

Sorry, just bugged me while reading this thread.
Sure, yes. The Holy Spirit inspired godly men to pen the Bible.
 
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didymos

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Just don't answer that,...It will only make you more frustrated than you already are,..Let it goooooo.

*starts singing Frozen songs*
No worries, I'm not frustrated... but thanks.

Sing a 'Frozen song,' good idea... :)

[video=youtube;OC83NA5tAGE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC83NA5tAGE[/video]
 
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Jesus did so many things in his life, taught so many people.

Yet Christianity's symbol is the cross.......An ancient torture method used to kill people.
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Think about it. We are glorifying a method used to brutally kill someone.

If it was a iron maiden, or an AK, or any number of murder tools, would you still be ok with it?
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Just a bit disturbed that our Religion had idolized this torture tool as if it's ok.


People are justifying it because it "stands for Jesus"? No it doesn't, it stands for how he was murdered.


Do we remember JFK, MLKjr., Ghandi, by the symbol of a bullet? NO! Why? Because it's sick and demented to do so.
I totally agree with this. There's this morbid focus in christianity on Jesus' death, and not so much on his life. If any symbol were to represent Jesus it is the nonviolent clasping of the hands, or the humility of washing his own disciples feet, or the healing of the sick, the feeding of the poor, or the close friendship of a spiritual family.

Instead it was chosen to be the gruesome point of death at the end of a beautiful life.
 
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Yes, everyone here but you is an idiot. Get over yourself! Why does believing what the Bible really teaches mean we're stupid? How about actually believing what God wrote in His Word?
What did God write? I don't remember him writing anything, actually. And what did his word say? That the symbol of Jesus had to be the cross???? You don't make sense.
 
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Ugly

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Maybe I should write: "I'm a christian I know about Jesus" after every post so I don't get the redundant post telling me what Jesus.


Again, lets say he died by a Iron Maiden, or a rifle, or an axe.

Do you think it would be acceptable to make that christianity's symbol? A symbol that was a known murder tool back in the day?
I see you conveniently bypassed the multiple scriptures i gave on the subject. Have you no way to refute the bible on this topic? Perhaps that's why you opted to ignore the use of scriptures that discounted your logic. Troll on...
 

ronnie2796

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What did God write? I don't remember him writing anything, actually. And what did his word say? That the symbol of Jesus had to be the cross???? You don't make sense.
God has written before,...So,..

He wrote the first copy of the 10 commandments,..There's the story of the writing on the wall,...And I'm fairly certain that Jesus was not illiterate.

As far as the Bible goes, Maybe he didn't pick up the pen and the paper and write it down,...but it is his word.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 

posthuman

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yes, well an empty tomb doesn't make very good jewelry,
and it isn't very recognizable on a banner.

then again, the scripture doesn't say "take up your baptismal daily" either, does it?