It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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they say the first time the bible says something it means something very significant. Well the first time we read "he believed in the Lord" is Gen 15:6 and if you read the above verse God is telling Him things that will come to pass. Abram was accepting Gods Words as truth. THAT was counted to him for righteousness. (see following verse)
So again, "believing in God" is trusting that every Word He says is truth.
So the way I read it is- When God is saying through His apostle
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
He means it. For us to "believe on God" we have to believe those words. THAT is counted unto us for righteousness.
The next verse the apostle goes on to say some of us "were" like that, which obviously implies "are no longer"
They have been washed and sanctified.. sanctified.
sanc·ti·fy
ˈsaNG(k)təˌfī/
verb
verb: sanctify; 3rd person present: sanctifies; past tense: sanctified; past participle: sanctified; gerund or present participle: sanctifying
set apart as or declare holy; consecrate.
"a small shrine was built to sanctify the site"
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I was reading Genesis last night and this struck me, I thought I'd share.
So again, "believing in God" is trusting that every Word He says is truth.
So the way I read it is- When God is saying through His apostle
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
He means it. For us to "believe on God" we have to believe those words. THAT is counted unto us for righteousness.
The next verse the apostle goes on to say some of us "were" like that, which obviously implies "are no longer"
They have been washed and sanctified.. sanctified.
sanc·ti·fy
ˈsaNG(k)təˌfī/
verb
verb: sanctify; 3rd person present: sanctifies; past tense: sanctified; past participle: sanctified; gerund or present participle: sanctifying
set apart as or declare holy; consecrate.
"a small shrine was built to sanctify the site"
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[TD]consecrate, bless, make holy, hallow, make sacred, dedicate to God More"he came to sanctify the site"[/TD]
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- make legitimate or binding by religious sanction.
"they see their love sanctified by the sacrament of marriage"
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[TD]approve, sanction, condone, vindicate, endorse, support, back, permit, allow, authorize, legitimize More"we must not sanctify this outrage"[/TD]
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[/TABLE] - free from sin; purify.
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I was reading Genesis last night and this struck me, I thought I'd share.
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Maybe Christ can open your eyes
[h=3]Luke 10:25-28[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
[h=3]Luke 10:25-28[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
There should be no doubt in your mind now....God be praised
Hebrews 11:6
King James Version
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Hebrews 11:6
King James Version
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
what do you see here? isn't it beautiful?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Quote one more verse please:
But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, And who is my neighbor?
Ah ha. He could not get eternal life by obeying the commandment, since he had failed!
The Word of God does not contradict itself, saying that you can be saved by works in one place vs by grace through faith in another. You must correlate scripture. The line of teaching in Luke 10 is explained in Mat 19.
To let the hot air out of men who want to justify themselves (like this guy did), the Lord hits them with the law to convict them of sin and show them their need of a Savior.
And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 22 But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions. And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And when the disciples heard it, they were astonished exceedingly, saying, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them said to them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
There's the punch line. Salvation by works is impossible, as it is failing human effort. As Jonah said, Salvation is of the LORD.
Since you cannot be saved by works (impossible), believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.
But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, And who is my neighbor?
Ah ha. He could not get eternal life by obeying the commandment, since he had failed!
The Word of God does not contradict itself, saying that you can be saved by works in one place vs by grace through faith in another. You must correlate scripture. The line of teaching in Luke 10 is explained in Mat 19.
To let the hot air out of men who want to justify themselves (like this guy did), the Lord hits them with the law to convict them of sin and show them their need of a Savior.
And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 22 But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions. And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And when the disciples heard it, they were astonished exceedingly, saying, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them said to them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
There's the punch line. Salvation by works is impossible, as it is failing human effort. As Jonah said, Salvation is of the LORD.
Since you cannot be saved by works (impossible), believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.
Well, Sinnner,
I am not aware of one verse in the NT or anywhere else that speaks about "not having to follow the ceremonial laws anymore."
Do you have such a verse?
I am aware of plenty of scripture that tell us the Law is abolished and ended at the cross, but that is the entire Law of Moses. I don't know any Bible justification for dividing up the Law into ceremonial and non-ceremonial. ONce the Lord tells you not to eat shell fish, it is no matter of ceremony, no more than eating fruit or not was ceremonial in the Garden.
You can divide the Law of Moses into what was only given to Israel and what is universal. What I mean is that the Law contains things which are enjoined in other dispensations besides the law, or an indication is given that it was universally applicable. The default interpretation on the Law of Moses is that it is abolished in its entirety, only it so happens that some of it is also enjoined outside of that Law (like in the epistles).
Perhaps you had that in mind, only you called it "ceremonial"?
I am not aware of one verse in the NT or anywhere else that speaks about "not having to follow the ceremonial laws anymore."
Do you have such a verse?
I am aware of plenty of scripture that tell us the Law is abolished and ended at the cross, but that is the entire Law of Moses. I don't know any Bible justification for dividing up the Law into ceremonial and non-ceremonial. ONce the Lord tells you not to eat shell fish, it is no matter of ceremony, no more than eating fruit or not was ceremonial in the Garden.
You can divide the Law of Moses into what was only given to Israel and what is universal. What I mean is that the Law contains things which are enjoined in other dispensations besides the law, or an indication is given that it was universally applicable. The default interpretation on the Law of Moses is that it is abolished in its entirety, only it so happens that some of it is also enjoined outside of that Law (like in the epistles).
Perhaps you had that in mind, only you called it "ceremonial"?
I thought a presentation of the words believe and faith would be helpful.
So I append an abridgment of the standard lexicon for NT Greek on Pisteuō = believe.
I thought I had already done that here, but I couldn't find it by searching, so here it is (again):
BDAG LEXICON
[BDAG abbreviations:
acc = accusative case,
dat = dative case;
inf = infinitive;
abs = absolute(ly) (no object);
pers = person; foll = following
obj = object;
v.l. = variant reading
D = the "western text," an inferior text type]
πιστεύω pisteuo [I believe]
(the word does not occur in Phlm, 2 Pt, 2 and 3J, Rv.
But it is a special favorite of J and 1J, where it is found 96 times and 9 times respectively;
(πίστις pistis [faith] is not found in the gospel at all, and occurs in 1J only once, 5:4.)
1. to consider someth. to be true and therefore worthy of one’s trust, believe
a. believe (in) someth., be convinced of someth., w. that which one believes (in) indicated
α. by acc. of thing …ἡ ἀγάπη πάντα πιστεύει [love all-things believes 1 Cor 13:7
β. by means of a ὅτι-clause believe that
π. περί τινος ὅτι believe concerning someone that J 9:18
γ. by the acc. and inf.
πιστεύομεν σωθῆναι = we believe to be saved Ac 15:11
δ. by means of the dat. of thing give credence to, believe
ε. w. prepositional expressions: εἰς [= into] Ro 4:18, …
On πιστεύειν εἰς τὸ ὄνομά τινος …Rather in the sense
‘put one’s trust in’ Sir 32:21 μὴ πιστεύσῃς ἐν ὁδῷ ἀπροσκόπῳ. …
—ἐπί τινι [upon something]:
πιστεύειν [to believe] ἐπὶ πᾶσιν [upon all things] οἷς ἐλάλησαν οἱ προφῆται [which spoke the prophets] Lk 24:25; Ro 9:33.
b. w. the pers. to whom one gives credence or whom one believes, in the dat. …τοῖς θεασαμένοις αὐτὸν ἐγηγερμένον οὐκ ἐπίστευσαν they did not believe those who saw him after he was raised from the dead Mk 16:14.
.—Also of Jesus and God whom one believes, in that one accepts their disclosures without doubt or contradiction: Jesus: … Gal 3:6; Js 2:23; (all three Gen 15:6). ὁ μὴ πιστεύων [the one not believing] τῷ θεῷ [in (the) God] ψεύστην πεποίηκεν αὐτόν [liar has made Him] 1J 5:10b.
c. w. pers. and thing added π. τινί τι believe someone with regard to someth.…
—W. dat. of pers. and ὅτι foll. πιστεύετέ μοι ὅτι ἐγὼ ἐν τῷ πατρί J 14:11a. Cp. 4:21; Ac 27:25.
d. abs. (in which case the context supplies the obj., etc.;
J 20:29ab πιστεύσαντες those who have nevertheless believed (it=the fact of the Resurrection);
Ac 4:4; 26:27b;
1 Cor 11:18 πιστεύω I believe (it=that there are divisions among you); 15:11;
Js 2:19b even the daemons believe this; Jd 5.
Pass. καρδίᾳ πιστεύεται with (or in) the heart men believe (it=that Jesus was raised fr. the dead) Ro 10:10. …
2. to entrust oneself to an entity in complete confidence, believe (in), trust, w. implication of total commitment to the one who is trusted. In our lit. God and Christ are objects of this type of faith that relies on their power and nearness to help, in addition to being convinced that their revelations or disclosures are true.
The obj. is
a. given
α. in the dat.
Some of the passages referred to in 1b above, end, are repeated, since they may be classified here or there w. equal justification.
Of God: π. τῷ θεῷ [believe (in) God]
Ac 16:34;
—Of Christ: J 6:30 (σοί [in you] =vs. 29 εἰς ὃν ἀπέστειλεν ἐκεῖνος [into whom he sent);
J 8:31 (αὐτῷ [(in) him] =vs. 30 εἰς αὐτόν [into him];
Ac 5:14; 18:8a (both τῷ κυρίῳ [(in {the} Lord] );
Ro 10:14b…; 2 Ti 1:12; .
—Pass. be believed in ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ [was believed in (the) world] 1 Ti 3:16.
—π. τῷ ὀνόματι τοῦ υἱοῦ believe in the name of the Son, i.e. believe in the Son and accept what his name proclaims him to be 1J 3:23.
β. w. εἰς [into] God
J 12:44b; 14:1a ;
—Christ: Mt 18:6; Mk 9:42; J 2:11; 3:15 v.l., 16, 18a, 36; 4:39; 6:29, 35, 40, 47 v.l.; 7:5, 31, 38f, 48; 8:30; 9:35f; 10:42; 11:25, 26a, 45, 48; 12:11, 36 (εἰς τὸ φῶς [into the light]), 37, 42, 44a, 46; 14:1b, 12; 16:9; 17:20; Ac 10:43; 14:23; 18:8 D; 19:4; Ro 10:14a; Gal 2:16; Phil 1:29; 1 Pt 1:8; 1J 5:10a;
—εἰς τὸ ὄνομα Ἰησοῦ [into the name of Jesus] (or αὐτοῦ [of him], etc.) J 1:12; 2:23; 3:18c; 1J 5:13
γ. w. ἐπί and dat., of God Ac 11:17 D.
Of Christ: Mt 27:42 v.l.; J 3:15 v.l.; Ro 9:33; 10:11; 1 Pt 2:6 (the last three Is 28:16); 1 Ti 1:16.
δ. w. ἐπί and acc.
of God: Ac 16:34 D; Ro 4:5, 24;
Of Christ: Mt 27:42; J 3:15 v.l.; Ac 9:42; 11:17; 16:31; 22:19.
ε. π. ἔν τινι believe in someone is questionable in our lit.: in J 3:15 the best rdg. is ἐν αὐτῷ [in him] and is prob. to be construed w. ἔχῃ [may have]
(in J πιστεύω usually takes the prep. εἰς [into] when expressing the obj. of belief, as in 3:16);
in Eph 1:13 both occurrences of ἐν ᾧ [in him/it] are prob. to be construed w. ἐσφραγίσθητε [you were sealed] (=‘in connection with whom you have been sealed’ [cp. 4:30]);
the acts of hearing and believing are coordinate, and
πιστεύσαντες [having believed],
along w. ἀκούσαντες, [having heard]
is used abs.
b. not expressed at all
Mk 15:32; 16:16f; Lk 8:12f; J 1:7, 50; 3:15, 18b; 4:41f, 48, 53; 5:44; 6:36, 47, 64ab, perh. 69;
9:38; 10:26; 11:15, 40; 12:39; 20:31b; Ac 4:4; 8:13, 37a; 11:21; 13:12, 39, 48; 14:1; 15:5, 7; 17:12, 34; 18:8b, 27; 19:2; 21:25; Ro 1:16; 3:22; 4:11; 10:4; 13:11; 15:13; 1 Cor 1:21; 3:5; 15:2; Gal 3:22; Eph 1:13, 19; 1 Th 2:10, 13; Hb 4:3; 1 Pt 2:7;
—Participles in the var. tenses are also used almost subst.: (οἱ) πιστεύοντες (the) believers, (the) Christians
Ac 2:44; Ro 3:22; 1 Cor 14:22ab (opp. οἱ ἄπιστοι); 1 Th 1:7;
(οἱ) πιστεύσαντες (those) who made their commitment = (those) who became believers, (the) Christians, Ac 2:44 v.l.; 4:32; 2 Th 1:10a.
οἱ πεπιστευκότες [the ones having believed] those who became (and remained) believers Ac 19:18; 21:20.
c. A special kind of this faith is the confidence that God or Christ is in a position to help suppliants out of their distress, have confidence (some of the passages already mentioned might just as well be classified here)
abs. ὡς ἐπίστευσας γενηθήτω σοι may it be done to you in accordance with the confidence you have Mt 8:13.
ὅσα ἂν αἰτήσητε πιστεύοντες whatever you pray for with confidence 21:22. Cp. Mk 5:36; 9:23f; Lk 8:50; 2 Cor 4:13a (Ps 115:1), b.
W. ὅτι foll.: πιστεύετε ὅτι δύναμαι τοῦτο ποιῆσαι; do you have confidence that I am able to do this? Mt 9:28.
—Mk 11:23.
3. entrust τινί τι someth. to someone τὸ ἀληθινὸν τίς ὑμῖν πιστεύσει; Lk 16:11.
αὐτόν [self] τινι [to someone] trust oneself to someone J 2:24.
—Pass. πιστεύομαί [I am entrusted] τι [with something].
ἐπιστεύθησαν [they were entrusted (with)] τὰ λόγια τοῦ θεοῦ [the sayings of God] Ro 3:2.
πεπίστευμαι τὸ εὐαγγέλιον Gal 2:7;
cp. 1 Th 2:4; 1 Ti 1:11.—Tit 1:3.
οἰκονομίαν [(a) dispensation] πεπίστευμαι [I have been entrusted with] 1 Cor 9:17;
4. be confident about, a unique use found in ὃς μὲν πιστεύει φαγεῖν πάντα, someth. like the one is confident about eating anything Ro 14:2 (a combination of two ideas: ‘the pers. is so strong in the faith’ and: ‘the pers. is convinced that it is permissible to eat anything’; in brief: not cultically fussy. Another probability is the sense
5. think/consider (possible), in Ro 14:2 perh. holds everything possible;
cp. J 9:18 οὐκ ἐπίστευσαν they refused to entertain the possibility, and Ac 9:26.
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Atwood: Does the above warm your heart?
So I append an abridgment of the standard lexicon for NT Greek on Pisteuō = believe.
I thought I had already done that here, but I couldn't find it by searching, so here it is (again):
BDAG LEXICON
[BDAG abbreviations:
acc = accusative case,
dat = dative case;
inf = infinitive;
abs = absolute(ly) (no object);
pers = person; foll = following
obj = object;
v.l. = variant reading
D = the "western text," an inferior text type]
πιστεύω pisteuo [I believe]
(the word does not occur in Phlm, 2 Pt, 2 and 3J, Rv.
But it is a special favorite of J and 1J, where it is found 96 times and 9 times respectively;
(πίστις pistis [faith] is not found in the gospel at all, and occurs in 1J only once, 5:4.)
1. to consider someth. to be true and therefore worthy of one’s trust, believe
a. believe (in) someth., be convinced of someth., w. that which one believes (in) indicated
α. by acc. of thing …ἡ ἀγάπη πάντα πιστεύει [love all-things believes 1 Cor 13:7
β. by means of a ὅτι-clause believe that
π. περί τινος ὅτι believe concerning someone that J 9:18
γ. by the acc. and inf.
πιστεύομεν σωθῆναι = we believe to be saved Ac 15:11
δ. by means of the dat. of thing give credence to, believe
ε. w. prepositional expressions: εἰς [= into] Ro 4:18, …
On πιστεύειν εἰς τὸ ὄνομά τινος …Rather in the sense
‘put one’s trust in’ Sir 32:21 μὴ πιστεύσῃς ἐν ὁδῷ ἀπροσκόπῳ. …
—ἐπί τινι [upon something]:
πιστεύειν [to believe] ἐπὶ πᾶσιν [upon all things] οἷς ἐλάλησαν οἱ προφῆται [which spoke the prophets] Lk 24:25; Ro 9:33.
b. w. the pers. to whom one gives credence or whom one believes, in the dat. …τοῖς θεασαμένοις αὐτὸν ἐγηγερμένον οὐκ ἐπίστευσαν they did not believe those who saw him after he was raised from the dead Mk 16:14.
.—Also of Jesus and God whom one believes, in that one accepts their disclosures without doubt or contradiction: Jesus: … Gal 3:6; Js 2:23; (all three Gen 15:6). ὁ μὴ πιστεύων [the one not believing] τῷ θεῷ [in (the) God] ψεύστην πεποίηκεν αὐτόν [liar has made Him] 1J 5:10b.
c. w. pers. and thing added π. τινί τι believe someone with regard to someth.…
—W. dat. of pers. and ὅτι foll. πιστεύετέ μοι ὅτι ἐγὼ ἐν τῷ πατρί J 14:11a. Cp. 4:21; Ac 27:25.
d. abs. (in which case the context supplies the obj., etc.;
J 20:29ab πιστεύσαντες those who have nevertheless believed (it=the fact of the Resurrection);
Ac 4:4; 26:27b;
1 Cor 11:18 πιστεύω I believe (it=that there are divisions among you); 15:11;
Js 2:19b even the daemons believe this; Jd 5.
Pass. καρδίᾳ πιστεύεται with (or in) the heart men believe (it=that Jesus was raised fr. the dead) Ro 10:10. …
2. to entrust oneself to an entity in complete confidence, believe (in), trust, w. implication of total commitment to the one who is trusted. In our lit. God and Christ are objects of this type of faith that relies on their power and nearness to help, in addition to being convinced that their revelations or disclosures are true.
The obj. is
a. given
α. in the dat.
Some of the passages referred to in 1b above, end, are repeated, since they may be classified here or there w. equal justification.
Of God: π. τῷ θεῷ [believe (in) God]
Ac 16:34;
—Of Christ: J 6:30 (σοί [in you] =vs. 29 εἰς ὃν ἀπέστειλεν ἐκεῖνος [into whom he sent);
J 8:31 (αὐτῷ [(in) him] =vs. 30 εἰς αὐτόν [into him];
Ac 5:14; 18:8a (both τῷ κυρίῳ [(in {the} Lord] );
Ro 10:14b…; 2 Ti 1:12; .
—Pass. be believed in ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ [was believed in (the) world] 1 Ti 3:16.
—π. τῷ ὀνόματι τοῦ υἱοῦ believe in the name of the Son, i.e. believe in the Son and accept what his name proclaims him to be 1J 3:23.
β. w. εἰς [into] God
J 12:44b; 14:1a ;
—Christ: Mt 18:6; Mk 9:42; J 2:11; 3:15 v.l., 16, 18a, 36; 4:39; 6:29, 35, 40, 47 v.l.; 7:5, 31, 38f, 48; 8:30; 9:35f; 10:42; 11:25, 26a, 45, 48; 12:11, 36 (εἰς τὸ φῶς [into the light]), 37, 42, 44a, 46; 14:1b, 12; 16:9; 17:20; Ac 10:43; 14:23; 18:8 D; 19:4; Ro 10:14a; Gal 2:16; Phil 1:29; 1 Pt 1:8; 1J 5:10a;
—εἰς τὸ ὄνομα Ἰησοῦ [into the name of Jesus] (or αὐτοῦ [of him], etc.) J 1:12; 2:23; 3:18c; 1J 5:13
γ. w. ἐπί and dat., of God Ac 11:17 D.
Of Christ: Mt 27:42 v.l.; J 3:15 v.l.; Ro 9:33; 10:11; 1 Pt 2:6 (the last three Is 28:16); 1 Ti 1:16.
δ. w. ἐπί and acc.
of God: Ac 16:34 D; Ro 4:5, 24;
Of Christ: Mt 27:42; J 3:15 v.l.; Ac 9:42; 11:17; 16:31; 22:19.
ε. π. ἔν τινι believe in someone is questionable in our lit.: in J 3:15 the best rdg. is ἐν αὐτῷ [in him] and is prob. to be construed w. ἔχῃ [may have]
(in J πιστεύω usually takes the prep. εἰς [into] when expressing the obj. of belief, as in 3:16);
in Eph 1:13 both occurrences of ἐν ᾧ [in him/it] are prob. to be construed w. ἐσφραγίσθητε [you were sealed] (=‘in connection with whom you have been sealed’ [cp. 4:30]);
the acts of hearing and believing are coordinate, and
πιστεύσαντες [having believed],
along w. ἀκούσαντες, [having heard]
is used abs.
b. not expressed at all
Mk 15:32; 16:16f; Lk 8:12f; J 1:7, 50; 3:15, 18b; 4:41f, 48, 53; 5:44; 6:36, 47, 64ab, perh. 69;
9:38; 10:26; 11:15, 40; 12:39; 20:31b; Ac 4:4; 8:13, 37a; 11:21; 13:12, 39, 48; 14:1; 15:5, 7; 17:12, 34; 18:8b, 27; 19:2; 21:25; Ro 1:16; 3:22; 4:11; 10:4; 13:11; 15:13; 1 Cor 1:21; 3:5; 15:2; Gal 3:22; Eph 1:13, 19; 1 Th 2:10, 13; Hb 4:3; 1 Pt 2:7;
—Participles in the var. tenses are also used almost subst.: (οἱ) πιστεύοντες (the) believers, (the) Christians
Ac 2:44; Ro 3:22; 1 Cor 14:22ab (opp. οἱ ἄπιστοι); 1 Th 1:7;
(οἱ) πιστεύσαντες (those) who made their commitment = (those) who became believers, (the) Christians, Ac 2:44 v.l.; 4:32; 2 Th 1:10a.
οἱ πεπιστευκότες [the ones having believed] those who became (and remained) believers Ac 19:18; 21:20.
c. A special kind of this faith is the confidence that God or Christ is in a position to help suppliants out of their distress, have confidence (some of the passages already mentioned might just as well be classified here)
abs. ὡς ἐπίστευσας γενηθήτω σοι may it be done to you in accordance with the confidence you have Mt 8:13.
ὅσα ἂν αἰτήσητε πιστεύοντες whatever you pray for with confidence 21:22. Cp. Mk 5:36; 9:23f; Lk 8:50; 2 Cor 4:13a (Ps 115:1), b.
W. ὅτι foll.: πιστεύετε ὅτι δύναμαι τοῦτο ποιῆσαι; do you have confidence that I am able to do this? Mt 9:28.
—Mk 11:23.
3. entrust τινί τι someth. to someone τὸ ἀληθινὸν τίς ὑμῖν πιστεύσει; Lk 16:11.
αὐτόν [self] τινι [to someone] trust oneself to someone J 2:24.
—Pass. πιστεύομαί [I am entrusted] τι [with something].
ἐπιστεύθησαν [they were entrusted (with)] τὰ λόγια τοῦ θεοῦ [the sayings of God] Ro 3:2.
πεπίστευμαι τὸ εὐαγγέλιον Gal 2:7;
cp. 1 Th 2:4; 1 Ti 1:11.—Tit 1:3.
οἰκονομίαν [(a) dispensation] πεπίστευμαι [I have been entrusted with] 1 Cor 9:17;
4. be confident about, a unique use found in ὃς μὲν πιστεύει φαγεῖν πάντα, someth. like the one is confident about eating anything Ro 14:2 (a combination of two ideas: ‘the pers. is so strong in the faith’ and: ‘the pers. is convinced that it is permissible to eat anything’; in brief: not cultically fussy. Another probability is the sense
5. think/consider (possible), in Ro 14:2 perh. holds everything possible;
cp. J 9:18 οὐκ ἐπίστευσαν they refused to entertain the possibility, and Ac 9:26.
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Atwood: Does the above warm your heart?
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Greetings Alligator,
You didn't give me any quotations, but just references. It takes work to lookup things. This is your dog and pony show! I explained 1 of them and left it up to you to do the work of posting the others. I ask you to post any relevant context also. That has to be your work, not mine. I shall be happy to disgust them with you after you post them and at least show that they are relevant, mentioning salvation or eternal life.
You didn't give me any quotations, but just references. It takes work to lookup things. This is your dog and pony show! I explained 1 of them and left it up to you to do the work of posting the others. I ask you to post any relevant context also. That has to be your work, not mine. I shall be happy to disgust them with you after you post them and at least show that they are relevant, mentioning salvation or eternal life.
Alligator,
Are you changing the scripture in your mind to read:
"Someday I may give them eternal life if they mind their p's and q's, and they may perish if they foul up before I give them this eternal life."
The Lord Jesus is addressing persons who are presently sheep, not those who turn into sheep in the future. He makes some statements about these sheep, including that He gives them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
Imagine yourself in front of a large bank. The bank owner says to you, Alligator, I give you everything in the bank, and you will never be poor. (And the IRS is not eavesdropping either.)
1 John 5 says that eternal life is a present possession:
"I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life."
Would it help to just keep repeating this until it sinks in, & you can trust the Lord Jesus for this?
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
Are you changing the scripture in your mind to read:
"Someday I may give them eternal life if they mind their p's and q's, and they may perish if they foul up before I give them this eternal life."
The Lord Jesus is addressing persons who are presently sheep, not those who turn into sheep in the future. He makes some statements about these sheep, including that He gives them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
Imagine yourself in front of a large bank. The bank owner says to you, Alligator, I give you everything in the bank, and you will never be poor. (And the IRS is not eavesdropping either.)
1 John 5 says that eternal life is a present possession:
"I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life."
Would it help to just keep repeating this until it sinks in, & you can trust the Lord Jesus for this?
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
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Seabass, it looks like you are doing some serious looking at Romans 9-11.
Why? Could it be that they were knuckleheads?
The natural man does not receive the things of God. As Rev 3 says, some need a special eye ointment. The Lord Jesus quoted Isaiah on the blindness of the people.
"And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: 30 and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
So Seabass, will you argue that only groups love God, and with only such groups as love God all things work together for the good of the group? Then he only foreknew a group and only foreordained a group, and only called a group, and only glorified a group? In Romans 9 is it only groups who are elect? (but Jacob and Esau are individuals).
The text doesn't say only a group as a group. Men have to love God individually. Men have to have faith individually, and then be justified by faith individually. Groups aren't justified as such. Israel was not justified as a group. David was an Israelite who was justified. Most of Israel was not justified. We would not call Absalom his son justified as evidenced by his hanging on a tree being cursed.
By saying whom he foreknew, he also foreordained, it refers to every individual to whom the first thing happened. When you are judged by God and the verdict is either "justified" or "guilty," it must be individual. You are judged for your works, not for someone else's works.
Why? Could it be that they were knuckleheads?
The natural man does not receive the things of God. As Rev 3 says, some need a special eye ointment. The Lord Jesus quoted Isaiah on the blindness of the people.
"And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: 30 and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
So Seabass, will you argue that only groups love God, and with only such groups as love God all things work together for the good of the group? Then he only foreknew a group and only foreordained a group, and only called a group, and only glorified a group? In Romans 9 is it only groups who are elect? (but Jacob and Esau are individuals).
The text doesn't say only a group as a group. Men have to love God individually. Men have to have faith individually, and then be justified by faith individually. Groups aren't justified as such. Israel was not justified as a group. David was an Israelite who was justified. Most of Israel was not justified. We would not call Absalom his son justified as evidenced by his hanging on a tree being cursed.
By saying whom he foreknew, he also foreordained, it refers to every individual to whom the first thing happened. When you are judged by God and the verdict is either "justified" or "guilty," it must be individual. You are judged for your works, not for someone else's works.
False, There is no verse that says "if a man who believe in eternal security takes the mark of the beast he will get thrown into the Lake of Fire." You just made that one up.
We are told that the Lord shortens the days of the Trib to preserve his elect.
He does use means to keep His promises.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
We are told that the Lord shortens the days of the Trib to preserve his elect.
He does use means to keep His promises.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
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Galatians 5:4You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Galatians 5:3-5 (in Context) Galatians 5 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Maybe this scripture will soak in for you if you read it every night before bedtime.
Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Galatians 5:3-5 (in Context) Galatians 5 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Maybe this scripture will soak in for you if you read it every night before bedtime.
Are you blind? this is the response of Christ...[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Are you calling Christ a liar ....and if you would understand the parable you quoted ...if you want to be perfect give up your earthly possessions and follow him. He gave his life for us follow his pattern, you say you believe him why do you not obey all that he says? You just believe one verse with your mind. Go back to the parable of the good Samaritan and love your neighbour as yourself, so he commanded.
Matt 9
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
Are you calling Christ a liar ....and if you would understand the parable you quoted ...if you want to be perfect give up your earthly possessions and follow him. He gave his life for us follow his pattern, you say you believe him why do you not obey all that he says? You just believe one verse with your mind. Go back to the parable of the good Samaritan and love your neighbour as yourself, so he commanded.
Matt 9
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
Galatians 4:19 says, 19 My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you,
The imagery Paul uses here regarding a church which fallen away into Judaism and idolatry, a church in which he is fearful for (verse 11) and in wonder that he has labor in vain for, is interesting and making me rethink OSAS. Paul mentions that he has to go labor again for the sake of making them Christ like, Christ "formed" in them. He equates this as giving birth again, a rebirth. I always thought that that once you have been born again, you couldn't be unborn. Perhaps Paul doesn't agree with me here!? If they all were born once and could regress, then why would Paul be fearful for them, they are saved right? I'd be more fearful for those unsaved, the ones they are preaching to, that these Galatians would teach falsehood and make false converts..
I can't imagine myself ever going back to me old way of life, it is unthinkable. The Love of God has taken hold of me, I can never give it up, even if I tried. In this respect I feel my salvation is secure.
Also in Galatians 5:4 Paul says that they (the Galatians) have been estranged from Christ. In order to be "estranged" (NKJV) from Christ, you had to be at once in Christ. The NASB says they have been "severed" from Christ. The actual Greek word is Katargeo, which could mean "to render idle, inactive" or "to cease or cut off from." If they attempted to go back to law, they have fallen from grace. They must have had it at one time to fall from it. Does fallen from grace mean loss of Salvation? It doesn't say that.
I can see good arguments from both side being made regarding both of these passages. What is more important is that we agree that we all need to examine ourselves to make sure we are in the faith. The book of 1 John gives 4 test to KNOW if we are true children of God:
1) do you have the right theology of Christ. Jesus is the son of God and is God, God in the flesh.
2) do you obey His (Jesus') Commandments?
3) do you love your brother? are you willing to die for him?
4) does the Holy Spirit testify to your soul that you belong to God. do you feel the HS leading you?
If you pass these four tests, all of them, not just one or two or three, then I would have to say you are a Child of God, and secure in Him.
The imagery Paul uses here regarding a church which fallen away into Judaism and idolatry, a church in which he is fearful for (verse 11) and in wonder that he has labor in vain for, is interesting and making me rethink OSAS. Paul mentions that he has to go labor again for the sake of making them Christ like, Christ "formed" in them. He equates this as giving birth again, a rebirth. I always thought that that once you have been born again, you couldn't be unborn. Perhaps Paul doesn't agree with me here!? If they all were born once and could regress, then why would Paul be fearful for them, they are saved right? I'd be more fearful for those unsaved, the ones they are preaching to, that these Galatians would teach falsehood and make false converts..
I can't imagine myself ever going back to me old way of life, it is unthinkable. The Love of God has taken hold of me, I can never give it up, even if I tried. In this respect I feel my salvation is secure.
Also in Galatians 5:4 Paul says that they (the Galatians) have been estranged from Christ. In order to be "estranged" (NKJV) from Christ, you had to be at once in Christ. The NASB says they have been "severed" from Christ. The actual Greek word is Katargeo, which could mean "to render idle, inactive" or "to cease or cut off from." If they attempted to go back to law, they have fallen from grace. They must have had it at one time to fall from it. Does fallen from grace mean loss of Salvation? It doesn't say that.
I can see good arguments from both side being made regarding both of these passages. What is more important is that we agree that we all need to examine ourselves to make sure we are in the faith. The book of 1 John gives 4 test to KNOW if we are true children of God:
1) do you have the right theology of Christ. Jesus is the son of God and is God, God in the flesh.
2) do you obey His (Jesus') Commandments?
3) do you love your brother? are you willing to die for him?
4) does the Holy Spirit testify to your soul that you belong to God. do you feel the HS leading you?
If you pass these four tests, all of them, not just one or two or three, then I would have to say you are a Child of God, and secure in Him.