Homosexuals attending church

[AgeofKnowledge]

You resort to ad hominem because you have absolutely no way to defend your position knowing that it contradicts God's Word.

I suppose that's better than fighting against God at least since that was your only other option besides admitting that God is both holy and loving and the truth is that it is in scripture we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral licence, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's moral law and both practice and realize agape love in their lives.

Clearly, you don't like sinners... I better get away...

 

[Sirk]

Sure gays can come to church....as long as they are seeking truth. If they are coming to upend and poison it (at least in my church) they will be asked to leave and not darken the doorway again. A persons true intentions always show themselves eventually. However, with the passage of a NDO in our town, it might become a little more complicated. ....and this is by design by the fascist gay rights agenda.

 

[didymos]

Sure gays can come to church....as long as they are seeking truth. If they are coming to upend and poison it (at least in my church) they will be asked to leave and not darken the doorway again. A persons true intentions always show themselves eventually (...)

This (obviously) doesn't only apply to gays, but to anybody who attends church.

 

[Sirk]

This (obviously) doesn't only apply to gays, but to anybody who attends church.

There are only two types of sick people. Those that want to be well and those that do not.

 

[Richie_2uk]

If a homosexual enters church, and want to seek God and become chrisitian, there is nothing wrong in a homosexual entering a church. If they just come to church, and still carry on with there practices, and participates only in the church services, and not follow God's forbidden word. then I think that person needs to be put asside, and a pastor or leader have a quiet word and explain about his practices and rethink his life for God. No one can be Christian and Gay. Not matter how people say its right. its God's forbbiden word. and thats final.

If homosexuals are willing to change, to clean themselves and seek God for forgiveness, and follow God. Then great. Didn't Jesus die for people like homosexuals? Murderers?, Child molesers? or what ever sinful nature a person has? So people who has committed those sins, should be welcomed in church, Because you were why shouldnt any other person? But they must repent from there sinful practice and willing to change. But homosexuality is forbidden, and sin like that will not enter heaven.

 

[J-Kay-2]

First off I would like to thank everyone who has replied, I asked a question and you generously took you time to answer, for that I thank you.

That said, I feel led to address an issue that has been laid on my heart by the responses to this post. The overwhelming verdict from many is to love, just love, love is all you need. Don't judge someone living in blatant sin only look at the sin in yourself. Well I think maybe some (not all) of you need to examine yourselves; have you really become that lukewarm?

I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me Revelation 3:15-20

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions 2 Timothy 4:3

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14

I am trying to point everyone I come across to The Living God, but that requires people need to realize they need to be saved. How can they realize this if y'all are playing pattycake with their sins because it makes you uncomfortable to label sin a sin versus letting people off the hook with "we are all sinners" Is it possible that you don't want to confront others in their sin because you are scared if you do others will confront you in yours?

Love is not just take care of your own business and extend grace and gentleness to obvious sin. Love is taking a stand against the sickness and decaying of sin and getting treatment to those who may not know they need it. It can be that it is telling people we don't accept their blatant sin in our midst and to repent if fellowship is desired. I bet if I changed the story to a husband bringing his mistress behind his wife's back and sitting in church cuddling with her the responses would have been different. Why, because that sin is not politically correct.

Also, many of you need to examine your hearts on your ability to rake a sister in Christ across the coals while patting yourselves on the back thinking you are so loving for standing up for the helpless homosexual couple.

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another. John 13:34&35

Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good. Roman 12:9

So yes, I am calling some of you out on what you posted. Examine yourselves, stop allowing Satan to use you to pummel believers and love sinners, whose work are you trying to accomplish? Stop being so lazy and lukewarm about what is happening in our churches! Realize we are in a war and Satan is storming the gates of our churches! Hold fast in the assault, quit surrendering without so much as a fight!

Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings. 1 Peter 5:8-9

This is an excellent description and you are so right about the LUKEWARM.
You may not have a lot of people seeing homosexuality as sin, but we know
God hates the sin.

I admire your stance and the way you have brought Gods Word to light.
Darkness does not like the light. God bless you for bringing this topic up and
when you did, you knew what would happen. I get it all the time and as I
told my husband today... it amazes me the way people who call themselves
Christians can believe the way of the world is okay.

I understand some mean well. I know it looks like we don't want to allow
the homosexual in the Church. But, it has almost come to the place where
many homosexuals are defying us and God... and come to Christian sites
and or Church just to stir up strife and defy us to say anything.

So it makes me wonder what the motive of the couple you are speaking
of have ? Would it not hurt to just ask them ? Take your husband with
you and take them aside and ask them why they have come. What do you
have to lose?

God bless you and I love you for sharing TRUTH..... In Christ... ( HUGS)

 

[J-Kay-2]

If a homosexual enters church, and want to seek God and become chrisitian, there is nothing wrong in a homosexual entering a church. If they just come to church, and still carry on with there practices, and participates only in the church services, and not follow God's forbidden word. then I think that person needs to be put asside, and a pastor or leader have a quiet word and explain about his practices and rethink his life for God. No one can be Christian and Gay. Not matter how people say its right. its God's forbbiden word. and thats final.

If homosexuals are willing to change, to clean themselves and seek God for forgiveness, and follow God. Then great. Didn't Jesus die for people like homosexuals? Murderers?, Child molesers? or what ever sinful nature a person has? So people who has committed those sins, should be welcomed in church, Because you were why shouldnt any other person? But they must repent from there sinful practice and willing to change. But homosexuality is forbidden, and sin like that will not enter heaven.

Richie: We were writing at same time... and I saw yours after I wrote mine...
I think we are on same track, you just worded yours more intelligently. ~ J~K~2

 

[J-Kay-2]

I feel like she is being abused and battered. I sense a spiritual warfare
going on right now on this topic. All Christians come together and pray.
I think this has been the most controversial topic and only Jesus can bring
peace. We stand for Christ and do not need to apologize for doing so. J~K~2

 

[J-Kay-2]

JJ... I hope you don't mind, but I am sharing a video Penn Ed posted on my thread.

Let this be an eye opener for those who don't want to accept your purpose for this thread.

Oakland Elementary School Makes Students Attend Mandatory Assembly For Gay Pride Month… | Weasel Zippers

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

As if the grave mental, emotional, and spiritual consequences of a life spent engaging in homosexual behavior weren't serious enough; add the physical consequences as well:

Homosexuality and reduced Lifespan

• Gay men lifespan shorter than non gay men: "The life expectancy for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for men in general. Robert S. Hogg et al., "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657." (Exodus Global Alliance, exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
• "In 2007, MSM [Men Sex with Men] were 44 to 86 times as likely to be diagnosed with HIV compared with other men, and 40 to 77 times as likely as women." (Center for Disease Control, Redirect Page)
• Domestic Violence higher among homosexuals: "'the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population.'(Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41–59." (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
• Sex of women with women at greater health risk than women with men: "For women, a history of sex with women may be a marker for increased risk of adverse sexual, reproductive, and general health outcomes compared with women who reported sex exclusively with men." (American Journal of Public Health, ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/6/1126)

The Physical Health Risks of Homosexuality

^ All of this is what Obama and the Democrats want for YOUR children.

 

[Risen]

I believe that it is God spirit that draw people to His church, when they hear the Living Word, its power will convict them of whatever sin that they are in and they will have the opportunity to make their choice. If people attend church on a regular basis but continue to live in sin, then it is a question whether the church is empowered by the Living Word or not. If it is not then, that church is just another social gathering no different from any night club.

 

[didymos]

There are only two types of sick people. Those that want to be well and those that do not.

If with sickness you mean sin, then we're all sick.
And it's not just gays who don't want to be 'well,'
even in a church

 

[Patnubay]

Yet Jesus chased the money changers out of the temple. Do you understand the difference ? Why they were chased out of a place of worship ?

Jesus' teaching is not about what one does but what is in one's heart.

 

[Drett]

Jesus' teaching is not about what one does but what is in one's heart.

So what is your explanation of Jesus chasing the money changers out of the temple ?

 

[The_Seeker]

​There is a couple at my church, in their sixties, they have been married about 7 years she was a widow and his wife left him many many years ago. The husband is our worship leader, the wife teaches adult bible studies. They are great people, true Christ followers. The husband had 3 sons, one passed away of cancer at age 40 leaving no children, one son has two children out of wedlock is seperated fom the children's mother and does not live the Christian walk. The middle son is the one I have a question about, he is homosexual, and him and his boyfriend have started to attend our adult Sunday school class and church. How should I respond? It is like a big pink (or rainbow) elephant in the room. How do I address that level of unrepentant sin among our church? Is it my place to address vs the pastor or elders? My biggest concern how do you love the person vs letting the children and young people of the church think the sin is condoned?


I do know the scriptures speaking on homosexuality and the stance the Bible takes on it but I do believe this is a delicate matter. Does anyone else deal with unrepentant sinners in their church? I will continue to pray on this issue and any prayers from y'all would be greatly appreciated!

I understand the anxiety that you must feel concerning the homosexual couple who have started attending your church.

However, there are some facts that we have to realize.

1. They are nothing more than sinners, like the rest of us when we were walking as dead men and women.
2. If they are going to your church, then God has given your people the opportunity to practice Matthew 7:1-5

Personal Note- The Churches have PDA regulations, and those same regulations apply to both the hetero and homosexual attendees. As long as they do not present themselves as abominations, walking around in women's attire while attending church, I personally do not see them going to your church as being a problem. Think of it as more of an opportunity to cause someone to repent of their sins, as well as an opportunity for Jesus to get a hold of these two individuals. I know that the media would like you to believe that once a person comes out of the closet that they will always be that way. God is MUCH stronger than any thought that the media would like to brainwash us with. These two can come to the Lord, and when that happens, it is our responsibility to pry for them incessantly, since Satan is using the homosexual agenda to bring about a world fitting to his Beast.

Instead of looking at this situation from a fake, "pious" position, remember that you were a sinner as well. Pray for them, as Christ commands you. You and all who talk about those two individuals. Pray for them, ask for God to shield them as they are walking about this Earth. Ask God to speak to them individually, and ask Him to save them, each individually. Believe me, God knows how to break up relationships, especially bad ones. Trust in the Lord and He will reward you.

Seriously, this is an opportunity to take away two humans from Satan. I hope you and your church capitalizes on this opportunity. Remember, you were once a sinner, and you continue to sin to this day. The difference between you and the homosexuals is that you are forgiven, while they are in need of forgiveness. God is in the business of forgiveness, and business should be booming right now, with the influx of wickedness that is propagated here on the Earth right now. Because the sin that these two are guilty of is an abomination in the Bible, that means that these two need prayer in the worst way, since they are going to learn about how God sees homosexuality, if your church prays and follows God's directions. When they see the folly of their ways, they will have a choice to make. Their decision is theirs alone, but the church's responsibility to them is to pray and teach. That is it. God is the One who judges, so let's remember that.

 

[Patnubay]

So what is your explanation of Jesus chasing the money changers out of the temple ?

What do you think was in the hearts of the money changers? And what would you assume was in hearts of the gay couple on this thread?

 

[Patnubay]

This is an excellent description and you are so right about the LUKEWARM.
You may not have a lot of people seeing homosexuality as sin, but we know
God hates the sin.

I admire your stance and the way you have brought Gods Word to light.
Darkness does not like the light. God bless you for bringing this topic up and
when you did, you knew what would happen. I get it all the time and as I
told my husband today... it amazes me the way people who call themselves
Christians can believe the way of the world is okay.

I understand some mean well. I know it looks like we don't want to allow
the homosexual in the Church. But, it has almost come to the place where
many homosexuals are defying us and God... and come to Christian sites
and or Church just to stir up strife and defy us to say anything.

So it makes me wonder what the motive of the couple you are speaking
of have ? Would it not hurt to just ask them ? Take your husband with
you and take them aside and ask them why they have come. What do you
have to lose?

God bless you and I love you for sharing TRUTH..... In Christ... ( HUGS)

I fully share your view on this matter. Homosexuality should not be condoned by the church. But reading your post made me asked myself. Living gay is sin, making gay a sinner. But I am a sinner too although thru a different sin but just the same, a sinner. Now, how hypocritical do you think it would be if I take my wife to confront ( in a very nice way ) the gay couple about their sin?

 

[TruthFromFrank]

If 'Sinners' cannot go to church, all the churches in the world would be empty and could then be used to house the homeless.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Obvious ungodliness in both cases.

What do you think was in the hearts of the money changers? And what would you assume was in hearts of the gay couple on this thread?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

It's one thing to allow sinners into church and it's another to allow those engaged in sexual immorality to hold leadership positions and use the church as vehicle from which to malign God's Word to justify their sin and teach apostasy.

Central to Christianity is the doctrine of progressive sanctification in which Jesus changes the lives of thieves, liars, backbiters, gluttons, lovers of money, fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, etc... to become ever more godly over time starting with salvation and a spiritual new birth into God's kingdom.

There is a real difference between welcoming sinners and condoning sin. There is a real difference between welcoming unrepentant sinners and allowing them to run your church. God's Word has qualifications for leadership that practicing homosexuals (or practicing fornicators or practicing adulterers) do not meet.

If 'Sinners' cannot go to church, all the churches in the world would be empty and could then be used to house the homeless.