It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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I would call this judicial hardening. Rom 1 of course speaks of the desperately wicked state of the unsaved. And there are consequences to refusing to have God in mind.
Heb 6 speaks of persons who seem to be beyond saving, though I would never judge anyone so.
Persons who object to eternal security don't have any verses that say "lose salvation" or "lose faith." You don't even find those pairs of words in same verse. You find faith & fail once, but it is a negation. So you find persons who cannot trust the Lord Jesus with their eternal destiny pointing to this or that & trying to say that this implies or necessitates a loss of salvation. Of course Rom 1 has no such teaching.
Heb 6 speaks of persons who seem to be beyond saving, though I would never judge anyone so.
Persons who object to eternal security don't have any verses that say "lose salvation" or "lose faith." You don't even find those pairs of words in same verse. You find faith & fail once, but it is a negation. So you find persons who cannot trust the Lord Jesus with their eternal destiny pointing to this or that & trying to say that this implies or necessitates a loss of salvation. Of course Rom 1 has no such teaching.
What about This? What about That?
The whatabouts are like flies to swat. They generally are passages that don't say anything like "lose salvation" or "lose faith." But people bring them up. When will we hear "WhatAboutThe natives in Bongo Bongo that never heard?"
Best to focus on what is actually said about salvation & eternal life.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
"I shall dwell in the House of the LORD forever."
Anyone read Ps 23 lately?
The whatabouts are like flies to swat. They generally are passages that don't say anything like "lose salvation" or "lose faith." But people bring them up. When will we hear "WhatAboutThe natives in Bongo Bongo that never heard?"
Best to focus on what is actually said about salvation & eternal life.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
"I shall dwell in the House of the LORD forever."
Anyone read Ps 23 lately?
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:30
(WNT) That is why many among you are sickly and out of health, and why not a few die.
(BBE) For this cause a number of you are feeble and ill, and a number are dead.
It looks to me like our loving Father even kills His own children, who sin a sin unto death, according to the above verses. It is called judging and chastening. At least you don't lose your salvation, but He will make you weak, sick, and bump you off if you commit the sin Paul mentioned above.
Am I saying that God is not a loving Father? God forbid! I am saying that's why many have sicknesses and diseases, and die, when they think and are told, that it is God who is testing/trying them and/or their faith, when they don't have any to start with. The only faith most Christians have is for salvation, if there is anything beyond that, they will have to resort to the natural.
Sin, if not repented of, can be the very cause of why God put that sickness and/or disease on Christians, and why they die from them. This is not a test or trial from God, but judgement or chastening, because of the Christian's sin.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:30
(WNT) That is why many among you are sickly and out of health, and why not a few die.
(BBE) For this cause a number of you are feeble and ill, and a number are dead.
It looks to me like our loving Father even kills His own children, who sin a sin unto death, according to the above verses. It is called judging and chastening. At least you don't lose your salvation, but He will make you weak, sick, and bump you off if you commit the sin Paul mentioned above.
Am I saying that God is not a loving Father? God forbid! I am saying that's why many have sicknesses and diseases, and die, when they think and are told, that it is God who is testing/trying them and/or their faith, when they don't have any to start with. The only faith most Christians have is for salvation, if there is anything beyond that, they will have to resort to the natural.
Sin, if not repented of, can be the very cause of why God put that sickness and/or disease on Christians, and why they die from them. This is not a test or trial from God, but judgement or chastening, because of the Christian's sin.
Eternal Security in the Psalms for the Saints (not the Ain'ts)
Sing praise to the LORD, O ye saints of his,
And give thanks to his holy memorial name.
For his anger is but for a moment;
His favor is for a life-time:
Weeping may tarry for the night,
But joy cometh in the morning.
As for me, I said in my prosperity,
I shall never be moved.
Trust Him with it all.
Trust Him to do it.
- Ps 30
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life;
& I shall dwell in the House of the LORD forever.
Trust Him with it all.
Trust Him to do it.
Sing praise to the LORD, O ye saints of his,
And give thanks to his holy memorial name.
For his anger is but for a moment;
His favor is for a life-time:
Weeping may tarry for the night,
But joy cometh in the morning.
As for me, I said in my prosperity,
I shall never be moved.
Trust Him with it all.
Trust Him to do it.
- Ps 30
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life;
& I shall dwell in the House of the LORD forever.
Trust Him with it all.
Trust Him to do it.
Eterna Security in the Psalms for Saints, not Ain'ts
For YHWH loves justice,
And forsakes not his saints;
They are preserved forever: - Ps 37
Now you may do some preserving;
for example, you may can strawberry preserves.
But eventually your human product will rot.
Only the Lord preserves forever.
So are you a saint & preserved?
Or an ain't.
Can you trust the preserver to preserve you?
It is only just that He preserve the one Who trusts the Lord Jesus as Savior-Preserver.
For the Savior paid for all our sins.
For YHWH loves justice,
And forsakes not his saints;
They are preserved forever: - Ps 37
Now you may do some preserving;
for example, you may can strawberry preserves.
But eventually your human product will rot.
Only the Lord preserves forever.
So are you a saint & preserved?
Or an ain't.
Can you trust the preserver to preserve you?
It is only just that He preserve the one Who trusts the Lord Jesus as Savior-Preserver.
For the Savior paid for all our sins.
E
You have no idea where osas comes from. You twist peoples words, and listen to a few men who tell you what to believe. And refuse to listen to reason and logic.
You can;t even respond to what I say, all yuo have is a personal attack.
Thats ok. Jesus had the same problems with the pharisees, They could not answer him either, So I guess I understand how he felt.
You can;t even respond to what I say, all yuo have is a personal attack.
Thats ok. Jesus had the same problems with the pharisees, They could not answer him either, So I guess I understand how he felt.
Sinnner, the Bible is the Word of God, not of satan.
The warning to Adam was that if he ate, he would surely die.
But to the believer in Christ the promise is "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."
The doctrine is call OSS = Once Saved, Saved!
Eternal Security.
Trust the Lord Jesus as your Savior,
not as the one who gives you a chance at it.
Let go of any "fearful & unbelieving," and depend upon the crucified.
The warning to Adam was that if he ate, he would surely die.
But to the believer in Christ the promise is "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."
The doctrine is call OSS = Once Saved, Saved!
Eternal Security.
Trust the Lord Jesus as your Savior,
not as the one who gives you a chance at it.
Let go of any "fearful & unbelieving," and depend upon the crucified.
The issue is that the Corinthians were having a meal, not just the Lord's Supper and not focusing on the fact that the elements represented the Lord's Body. "Damnation" is a mistranslation. They were condemned in what they did.
You see how the Lord preserves his saints in eternal security. He chastises them and straightens them out if they misbehave; He does not condemn. Rom 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation. The chastisement can be to the point that satan destroys the body that the spirit may be saved; so physical death can be used.
Of course it is appointed to man once to die, regardless. The Lord kills everyone who dies!
Know, that was a good post you made.
You see how the Lord preserves his saints in eternal security. He chastises them and straightens them out if they misbehave; He does not condemn. Rom 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation. The chastisement can be to the point that satan destroys the body that the spirit may be saved; so physical death can be used.
Of course it is appointed to man once to die, regardless. The Lord kills everyone who dies!
Know, that was a good post you made.
S
There isn't one scripture that I have to twist to believe in the bible. It flows perfectly. With this OSAS doctrine, which is what the millions in the world know it as not OSS, you must twist and ignore many scriptures. You believe a doctrine of confusion. A man made doctrine. Those are facts. For real, do research on Aliester Crowley and satanism. See what they believe, remember it's the opposite of Christianity. Pray for wisdom, knowledge and insight and you will get it. You will see how the enemy operates and you will also see that OSAS is a scheme of the devil to lead people astray and take the fear of God away.