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the quotes from Romans you used are misapplied, you should study better.

they were about circumcision, and the feast days which we dont do any more
please read the chapter
 

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Show wher you faith is. In a day, or the cross of Christ. Romans 14.
why are you ignoring the post and its topic.

The OP never said that his salvation or faith is in the Sabbath. But simply pointed out that The Sabbath was never changed and the Lords Day is the Sabbath of the commandment.

If the OP had said The bible teaches its wrong to kill would he be putting his faith in not killing? no of course not. The Sabbath is no different. Faith in Jesus and him crucified is why we don't kill and why we keep the Sabbath alike. Those who do not obey do not have faith.

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:
Rom 8:8 and they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 

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Anyone care to list ALL THE SABATHS from the Old Testament?
 

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Considering how many folks are supporting Saturday Sabbath............WHY EXACTLY are they here posting on the internet? Should they NOT BE worshiping God in His Rest?
 

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Yes, because faith in Commandments nullifies the work of the cross. Commandments please the flesh. It say's look what I do and not what Jesus did. The commandments did what, expose our sin, condemned us of sin.

The cross set's us free. amen
examine the logic of your statement from the bible.

You claim to be free in the cross, Jesus said:

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Every one that committeth sin is the bondservant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the bondservant abideth not in the house for ever: the son abideth for ever.
Joh 8:36 If therefore the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So one who sins is a slave to sin so to be free would be to not sin. Slaves sin, free sin not.

you said the law points out sin in this you are right:

Jn 3:4 Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

Sin is lawlessness so not sinning is lawful.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Howbeit, I had not known sin, except through the law: for I had not known coveting, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet:

The law points out sin by showing what is good. good is not coveting but when I see that and then know I am coveting I am convicted as a sinner.

So plain bible logic then tells us that if we are free from sin in Jesus then we must be keeping the law. because slaves break the law.

1Jn 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

If you continue to willingly disobey the commandments then they still stand to condemn you because you make yourself a transgressor. but Jesus set us free from sin so why walk any more in it.
 
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Anyone care to list ALL THE SABATHS from the Old Testament?
There Is only one that is part of creation itself, only one that was blessed by God, only one that was protected by God's law written with his own finger, only one that Jesus is called Lord of and only one that is honored in the new earth. How many Sabbaths are in the OT? Only one that intrigues me.
 

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Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The verb 'came together" is passive voice meaning the disciples did not choose for themselves to come together on Sunday but were passively brought together by a choice made outside of themselves, ie, it was God's choice to bring His disciples together on Sunday. This is a binding example for disciples today.
Except that "the first day of the week" is an incorrect translation. In the Greek it is "One of the Sabbath's." Every time it says "first day of the week" the correct translation is "One of the Sabbath's" so in actual fact, the first day of the week is not used or mentioned.
 

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why are you ignoring the post and its topic.

The OP never said that his salvation or faith is in the Sabbath. But simply pointed out that The Sabbath was never changed and the Lords Day is the Sabbath of the commandment.

If the OP had said The bible teaches its wrong to kill would he be putting his faith in not killing? no of course not. The Sabbath is no different. Faith in Jesus and him crucified is why we don't kill and why we keep the Sabbath alike. Those who do not obey do not have faith.

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:
Rom 8:8 and they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
You will find that Kerry, when he/she is challenged will introduce a red herring to divert attention away from her/his mistake.
 

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QUOTE:

If you continue to willingly disobey the commandments then they still stand to condemn you because you make yourself a transgressor. but Jesus set us free from sin so why walk any more in it.

END QUOTE:

1) There is not one person alive today who is in complete obedience to ALL of the Mosaic Law.

2) There is not one person who WILL EVER receive Eternal Salvation by keeping the Law.

3) There is ONLY ONE WAY.............GRACE.........Jesus Christ IS THE ONLY WAY.........

[but, now, y'all go ahead and do as you wish, for it is certainly your right]

My question is "why do so many of you incessantly argue Saturday Sabbath as if by doing so you will convince someone that YOU are right?" It's much like those who deny God/Jesus Christ that come here and incessantly argue against God and Jesus as if by doing so they will convince believers that God is not real...........goodness........

IF you believe in Saturday Worship, then go ahead and do so................no need to argue UNLESS there lies a grain of doubt in your minds that you are correct in your belief. It is only because of "doubt" that folks enter into arguments.......elsewise it is mere foolishness to argue...........

Worship God on whatever day you want.............shoot...........I don't care.........I'm just happy folks are choosing to worship God................so let's leave off "persecuting" me for choosing to Worship God on Sunday, Wednesday evening, and sometimes on Tuesdays and Fridays, and Mondays and Thursdays, and, well, yes, even on Saturdays.......

OH NO! I'm a SEVEN DAY WORSHIPER.................no need for the "th" after all........... :)
 
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I'm not following you here.......and don't want to misjudge what you are saying so............Are you saying that IF I choose to worship the Lord on Sunday I am part of this "worldly side" spending a "few years here with satan?"
Oh Dear. It sure sounds like that is what I am saying. Thanks for bringing that out, because I would have no right to say it is worldly to choose Sunday. I was thinking only of the last days when people do not want to follow scripture, and didn't at all make that clear. It was what the post I was responding to spoke of.

I am so excited and happy that so many Christians are looking to scripture, are really studying including going into ancient Hebrew and any true information they can get to learn exactly what scripture tells them. That is why many are wondering about the organized churches decision to name Sunday, they are checking scripture about it now. It is an example of their heart being dedicated to following the Lord and even checking traditions. I think they are right to do that, I feel blessed by these people.

At the same time, Paul says not to judge anyone based on the day they choose for Sabbath, not Saturday or Sunday. Paul says it is your convictions and heart that God is looking at.
 

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There Is only one that is part of creation itself, only one that was blessed by God, only one that was protected by God's law written with his own finger, only one that Jesus is called Lord of and only one that is honored in the new earth. How many Sabbaths are in the OT? Only one that intrigues me.
You mean "only one" you care to observe? For there are many, many others written in Scripture...........but, then, that would cause you some loss of sleep trying to keep up with 'em all would it not?

Worship whatever day you wish........just worship...........and leave me alone, when I CHOOSE to worship God is NONE of your business..............goodness...........

You guys really, really need to get a life...........OR, as you all are fond of saying, OBEY ALL of the Commandments of Jesus........especially that one where He gives us the TWO GREATEST...............ya know...........those that on which HANG ALL THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW.............seems to me that reading the comments here you guys is missing some of the meaning of that particular commandment..........
 

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Oh Dear. It sure sounds like that is what I am saying. Thanks for bringing that out, because I would have no right to say it is worldly to choose Sunday. I was thinking only of the last days when people do not want to follow scripture, and didn't at all make that clear. It was what the post I was responding to spoke of.

I am so excited and happy that so many Christians are looking to scripture, are really studying including going into ancient Hebrew and any true information they can get to learn exactly what scripture tells them. That is why many are wondering about the organized churches decision to name Sunday, they are checking scripture about it now. It is an example of their heart being dedicated to following the Lord and even checking traditions. I think they are right to do that, I feel blessed by these people.

At the same time, Paul says not to judge anyone based on the day they choose for Sabbath, not Saturday or Sunday. Paul says it is your convictions and heart that God is looking at.
Thank you for that clarification................God bless ya!
 

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QUOTE:

If you continue to willingly disobey the commandments then they still stand to condemn you because you make yourself a transgressor. but Jesus set us free from sin so why walk any more in it.

END QUOTE:

1) There is not one person alive today who is in complete obedience to ALL of the Mosaic Law.

2) There is not one person who WILL EVER receive Eternal Salvation by keeping the Law.

3) There is ONLY ONE WAY.............GRACE.........Jesus Christ IS THE ONLY WAY.........

[but, now, y'all go ahead and do as you wish, for it is certainly your right]

My question is "why do so many of you incessantly argue Saturday Sabbath as if by doing so you will convince someone that YOU are right?" It's much like those who deny God/Jesus Christ that come here and incessantly argue against God and Jesus as if by doing so they will convince believers that God is not real...........goodness........

IF you believe in Saturday Worship, then go ahead and do so................no need to argue UNLESS there lies a grain of doubt in your minds that you are correct in your belief. It is only because of "doubt" that folks enter into arguments.......elsewise it is mere foolishness to argue...........

Worship God on whatever day you want.............shoot...........I don't care.........I'm just happy folks are choosing to worship God................so let's leave off "persecuting" me for choosing to Worship God on Sunday, Wednesday evening, and sometimes on Tuesdays and Fridays, and Mondays and Thursdays, and, well, yes, even on Saturdays.......

OH NO! I'm a SEVEN DAY WORSHIPER.................no need for the "th" after all........... :)
I think you have totally misunderstood my position.

you said "There is not one person alive today who is in complete obedience to ALL of the Mosaic Law."

I say why does that matter? no one said we had to keep the whole Mosaic Law.

You said "There is not one person who WILL EVER receive Eternal Salvation by keeping the Law."

I say who said any one could receive salvation by keeping the law? Salvation comes by faith in Jesus and His Saving Grace. Does Grace and faith mean we are ok to break the law?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. We who died to sin, how shall we any longer live therein?

You said "There is ONLY ONE WAY.............GRACE.........Jesus Christ IS THE ONLY WAY........."

I say who said Jesus is not the only way? As far as Grace read the above.

You said "why do so many of you incessantly argue Saturday Sabbath as if by doing so you will convince someone that YOU are right?"

I say because The scriptures are for correcting and leading people to truth. and there are many more than you realize who learn from these posts who do not reply to them. So while there may be many who like to try and refute the Sabbath all they are actually achieving is giving us an opportunity to show how unscriptural their argument is. Thus establishing those who read and do not reply in what the bible says. How do I know this, because those people tell us.

You Said "IF you believe in Saturday Worship, then go ahead and do so................no need to argue UNLESS there lies a grain of doubt in your minds that you are correct in your belief. It is only because of "doubt" that folks enter into arguments.......elsewise it is mere foolishness to argue..........."

I say again that the arguments are for those who are truly seeking. We don't keep saying these things for people who clearly have no intent to listen except argue back. Does your argument against the Sabbath prove that you have doubt? no of course not. but for those who are seeking that do not reply to the posts we write.

you said "Worship God on whatever day you want.............shoot...........I don't care.........I'm just happy folks are choosing to worship God................so let's leave off "persecuting" me for choosing to Worship God on Sunday, Wednesday evening, and sometimes on Tuesdays and Fridays, and Mondays and Thursdays, and, well, yes, even on Saturdays......."

I say amen, we can worship God any day that we want. Every day in fact, but we are not speaking simply about worship are we. we are talking about a blessed and sanctified Day by God. We are talking about the Sabbath as a special Day for Gods people as a gift given by God Himself. Just because we talk about the Sabbath of God which is easily proved in scripture does not mean we only worship God on that day.

you said "OH NO! I'm a SEVEN DAY WORSHIPER.................no need for the "th" after all..........."

God said "the"

Act 5:29 But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey God rather than men.
 
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Sunday is not the Lords day

some silly ministry for twenty years falsley said each week
This is the day the Lord has made and be glad in it

so let me ask you honestly

now all of you not hypnotized
not false hearted

and really honest people

here is the verse the false pastor used on sunday on crystal cathedral for 20 years

Psa 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.


now I have two questions

1. Who wrote that verse on paper?

2. What day did David worship on?

do you get it?

Someone TWISTED THAT VERSE

for certainly DAVID NEVER EVER kept sunday they would have stoned him



so what day is the LORDS DAY?

let us see



Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.


that is the Lords day

now

just saying that sunday is the Lords day is not so

I am certain JOHN on patmos kept the seventh day sabbath

for there is written record of the early dhristians iin 200 ad all keeping sabbath seventh day


sundy wasnt even invented until 321 AD by the first popie
 
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Except that "the first day of the week" is an incorrect translation. In the Greek it is "One of the Sabbath's." Every time it says "first day of the week" the correct translation is "One of the Sabbath's" so in actual fact, the first day of the week is not used or mentioned.
According to R.C.H. Lenski, since “[t]he Jews had no names for the weekdays,” they “designated them with reference to their Sabbath” (1943, p. 1148). Thus, mia ton sabbaton means “the first (day) with reference to the Sabbath,” i.e., the first (day) following the Sabbath (Lenski, p. 1148), or, as we would say in 21st century English, “the first day of the week.”

Apologetics Press - “The First Day of the Week”

Mk 16:1,2
1-And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2-And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

In verse 2 "day of week" is from the Greek sabbaton. If this is suppose to be translated Sabbath day, then there is a problem.
Verse one says "Sabbath was past" and if verse 2 is suppose to be "Sabbath Day" then you have two Sabbath Days in a row.


 
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According to R.C.H. Lenski, since “[t]he Jews had no names for the weekdays,” they “designated them with reference to their Sabbath” (1943, p. 1148). Thus, mia ton sabbaton means “the first (day) with reference to the Sabbath,” i.e., the first (day) following the Sabbath (Lenski, p. 1148), or, as we would say in 21st century English, “the first day of the week.”

Apologetics Press - “The First Day of the Week”

Mk 16:1,2
1-And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2-And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

In verse 2 "day of week" is from the Greek sabbaton. If this is suppose to be translated Sabbath day, then there is a problem.
Verse one says "Sabbath was past" and if verse 2 is suppose to be "Sabbath Day" then you have two Sabbath Days in a row.

We have to keep in mind that we are dealing with translators and some translators apply their personal beliefs when translating the Bible. For example, Easter. The holiday Easter is totally pagan yet one Bible translation chose to use the word, Easter, to help support that holiday with Scripture.

Now lets take this over Matthew 28:1. The words, "day of the week" are one word in the Greek and it's the Strong's number G4521. This Strong's word is the word, Sabbath. But there is also another word that G4521 is translated to and it's the word, week. We find it translated as week in Luke 18:12

Luke 18:12 I fast twice a week (G4521); I give tithes of all that I possess.

Understanding this helps us to understand Matthew 28:1. Listen.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Now lets break this verse down so it doesn't conflict with the rest of God's word.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the Sabbath, (G4521 week) as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (G4521 sabbath) came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

The verse should read like this.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the week, as it began to dawn toward the first Sabbath, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
 
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We have to keep in mind that we are dealing with translators and some translators apply their personal beliefs when translating the Bible. For example, Easter. The holiday Easter is totally pagan yet one Bible translation chose to use the word, Easter, to help support that holiday with Scripture.

Now lets take this over Matthew 28:1. The words, "day of the week" are one word in the Greek and it's the Strong's number G4521. This Strong's word is the word, Sabbath. But there is also another word that G4521 is translated to and it's the word, week. We find it translated as week in Luke 18:12

Luke 18:12 I fast twice a week (G4521); I give tithes of all that I possess.

Understanding this helps us to understand Matthew 28:1. Listen.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Now lets break this verse down so it doesn't conflict with the rest of God's word.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the Sabbath, (G4521 week) as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (G4521 sabbath) came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

The verse should read like this.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the week, as it began to dawn toward the first Sabbath, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
The argument made by those that falsely keep the Sabbath Day is sabbaton is supposed to be translated "Sabbath".

Mt 28:1 In the end of the Sabbath (sabbaton) as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (sabbaton), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.

So if Mt 28:1 is translated as "Sabbath Keepers" think it should be "correctly" translated, then Mt 28:1 would read "In the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn toward the Sabbath, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher". They still have two Sabbath days in a row. And according to them, you have mistranslated the first part of Mt 28:1 by translating it "end of the week" and not "Sabbath". Also, if you can translate the first 'sabbaton' in Mt 28:1 as 'end of week" then what's wrong with the second 'sabbaton' being translated "first day of week"?
 
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I also noticed in your other thread:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...13-more-closely-we-must-come-out-babylon.html

In Acts 20:7 you insist 'sabbaton' be translated "Sabbath" but now in Mt 28:1 you want 'sabbaton' be translated "end of week".

In your other thread you posted:

Now let's take a look at Acts:7-13 since these verses are used to help support Sunday observance in place of the seventh day Sabbath.

Acts 20:7-13 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. There were many lamps in the upper room where they were gathered together. And in a window sat a certain young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep. He was overcome by sleep; and as Paul continued speaking, he fell down from the third story and was taken up dead. But Paul went down, fell on him, and embracing him said, “Do not trouble yourselves, for his life is in him.” Now when he had come up, had broken bread and eaten, and talked a long while, even till daybreak, he departed. And they brought the young man in alive, and they were not a little comforted. Then we went ahead to the ship and sailed to Assos, there intending to take Paul on board; for so he had given orders, intending himself to go on foot.

The very first sentence begins with the misleading words, “day of the week”. These words, “day of the week” is one word in the Greek and it’s the Strong’s #G4521. These words, “day of the week” is the Greek word, “Sabbaton” which refers to the seventh day Sabbath.

G4521 σάββατον sabbaton (sab'-bat-on) n. the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath)

What Luke is saying in the first sentence is, “On the first Sabbath when the disciple came together to break bread”. He is not saying the first day.
 
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The argument made by those that falsely keep the Sabbath Day is sabbaton is supposed to be translated "Sabbath".

Mt 28:1 In the end of the Sabbath (sabbaton) as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (sabbaton), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.

So if Mt 28:1 is translated as "Sabbath Keepers" think it should be "correctly" translated, then Mt 28:1 would read "In the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn toward the Sabbath, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher". They still have two Sabbath days in a row. And according to them, you have mistranslated the first part of Mt 28:1 by translating it "end of the week" and not "Sabbath". Also, if you can translate the first 'sabbaton' in Mt 28:1 as 'end of week" then what's wrong with the second 'sabbaton' being translated "first day of week"?
The most important principle when studying the Bible is to use the Bible to interpret the verses and not use the verses to interpret the Bible. Every verse in the Bible fits like a glove. If you find a verse that is not fitting you must study the history of that verse and how it was translated. You must also be willing to let God's word be true and every man a liar. If the words, "day of the week" are translated both as "week" or "Sabbath" you must translate the verse to make sense and fit with all of Scripture. Too many people are stuck on Sunday worship either because of pride or willfully following the Beast or it's image because from Genesis to Revelation the seventh day has always been the Lord's day, not Sunday. As a matter of fact, Jesus is called, Lord of the Sabbath and that's not Sunday.

Now let me say something else. You can set aside any day of the week you want and call it holy for sacred assembly the only problem is you are following yourself, not God. We can gather for fellowship seven days a week and that would be awesome but we can't celebrate the Sabbath seven days a week because we would go broke. Some will tell you that we should celebrate Sabbath seven days a week because we rest in Jesus. But if you read the commandment it says, six days is for work but the seventh day is for rest. If you, your sons and daughters, your servants, the strangers and your working animals choose to rest seven days a week you are outside of the will of God.
 
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We keep God's requests becaue we love him

If he asks us to do something and they do something else
they dont love him

pretty simple

Able did sacrifice like asked
cain changed it

Cain was rejected

that simple.