Trinity?

[Nick01]

Trinity is the oficial term for the false vshnu Gods in india it is not in the Bible and is not a Christian term but a pagan hindu term

The correct BIBICAL term is DIVINITY

That doesn't make any sense, and the idea that trinity is the official word for anything in Hindu religions is blatantly false.. Trinity derives from the Latin. It is not a Hindi word and has no root in Indo-Persian languages.

In any case, about 90% of the Hindu religions believe there are many more than three Gods, and most of the major sects only favour one to the exclusion or at the very least minimalisation of the others. There is simply no comparison.

 

[seekn-living-water]

The last reply was good @full of scriptures! But seem to "not" support trinity..ive been confused awhile on it, but kinda c it as: im ur-land lord, i send my son to u (who represents me) to do my will (fix ur broken apt.) Then i sent my maintenance person to help strengthen ur apt..we are dif but same goal.. we r 1 n that sense..not sermon jst a thought.

 

[seekn-living-water]

*reply that had lots of scripture-seem to "not" support trinity was by jjimmydiggs..

 

[TruthFromFrank]

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 4:3-5
King James Version (KJV)



[SUP]3 [/SUP]But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

Colossians 1:14-16
King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John 1
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Paul wrote many things to many different people, all trying to convince people to follow Jesus, as He is the only way to the Father God, not to Himself. I have in my studies looked at what Jesus and the other authors also said to come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ was man on this earth, and not God and I have provided everyone out there the facts of my discovery in a fairly long document. To select a few statements from Paul, without really knowing what Paul meant and what his thoughts were while writing that statement and not forgetting the translators' role, and ignoring what Jesus has said, is reckless to say the least, if I may give my opinion. I know everybody wants to be right with their opinions and I respect that, but when we have made a study of a subject that troubled us and have found that the facts prove to point to another direction, we need to be able to accept that and change and to teach it to those that are in search of the Truth. I do not quote my church, pastor, minister or bishop's teachings, but that of many years of studying independently, as most biblical teachers today are in the church that they grew up in and most of them differ in opinion. Please read 1 Tim 6:3-5 and 2 Tim 4:2-5 and you will understand my thinking.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Trinity is afalse doctrine.All the prophets in this world asked people to worship oneGod................But the people changed such teachings,..............God is one.he is the creator.He does not have any son or daughter.He is above such things...........He sent prophets in this world for the guidance of human beings.........since there were humanbeings on earth so he sent prophets(pbut) who were human beings.........

Fozi, you are probably on the wrong web-site. Here we discuss God and Jesus Christ as per the Bible teachings and no other teaching. Please stay on this web-site if you want to learn about God and Jesus Christ otherwise go to the web-site where you can argue your case with your fellow mates who believes like you do. Your logo also indicates to me that you are not a believer in the true God.

 

[tourist]

Fozi, you are probably on the wrong web-site. Here we discuss God and Jesus Christ as per the Bible teachings and no other teaching. Please stay on this web-site if you want to learn about God and Jesus Christ otherwise go to the web-site where you can argue your case with your fellow mates who believes like you do. Your logo also indicates to me that you are not a believer in the true God.

I thought Fonzi was on Happy Days? I may have been happy once but this will require additional pondering to see if this is true.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Jesus IS God on the merits of established Greek grammar, all by itself, regardless of your opinion on the matter.

Further, scripture informs the reader that Jesus' flesh died on the cross.

Your pitiful Unitarian understanding of the scriptures is not impressive...

PAST TENSE - WAS.

 

[newbirth]

Paul wrote many things to many different people, all trying to convince people to follow Jesus, as He is the only way to the Father God, not to Himself. I have in my studies looked at what Jesus and the other authors also said to come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ was man on this earth, and not God and I have provided everyone out there the facts of my discovery in a fairly long document. To select a few statements from Paul, without really knowing what Paul meant and what his thoughts were while writing that statement and not forgetting the translators' role, and ignoring what Jesus has said, is reckless to say the least, if I may give my opinion. I know everybody wants to be right with their opinions and I respect that, but when we have made a study of a subject that troubled us and have found that the facts prove to point to another direction, we need to be able to accept that and change and to teach it to those that are in search of the Truth. I do not quote my church, pastor, minister or bishop's teachings, but that of many years of studying independently, as most biblical teachers today are in the church that they grew up in and most of them differ in opinion. Please read 1 Tim 6:3-5 and 2 Tim 4:2-5 and you will understand my thinking.

One does not have to be a rocket scientist to understand what God said the problem comes when one tries to fit what God says into their agenda.
John 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Colossians 2:8-10

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[SUP]9[/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Romans 1:2-4

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP](Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Only a perfect man could have paid the penalty for death that is the reason the WORD was made flesh But even while he walked as a man the fullness of God dwell in him .Now he being not guilty of any sin even though he died in the flesh death had no power over him. because death get its power because of sin. But remember the spirit of God in him that spirit being the eternal spirit of God simply reclaimed the body and brought it back to life. So to argue weather Christ was God or man is pointless. Because scripture will prove both sides of the argument.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

2 Corinthians 5:18-20

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[Bowman]

PAST TENSE - WAS.

Deity can never be past tense.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

One does not have to be a rocket scientist to understand what God said the problem comes when one tries to fit what God says into their agenda.
John 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Colossians 2:8-10

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[SUP]9[/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Romans 1:2-4

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP](Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Only a perfect man could have paid the penalty for death that is the reason the WORD was made flesh But even while he walked as a man the fullness of God dwell in him .Now he being not guilty of any sin even though he died in the flesh death had no power over him. because death get its power because of sin. But remember the spirit of God in him that spirit being the eternal spirit of God simply reclaimed the body and brought it back to life. So to argue weather Christ was God or man is pointless. Because scripture will prove both sides of the argument.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

2 Corinthians 5:18-20

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

The Trinity teaching has been in existence for many years and to come with a different view now will create reaction as change is always a problem in mankind's life. The problem is however that many believe that there are three Gods, which in the first place is not true. When Jesus was in this world, He only received the Holy Spirit AFTER He was baptized. God was then the only Holy Spirit in heaven. God used Jesus to heal the sick etc as God was doing all the healing. Jesus was just the instrument and Jesus did not do the healing. God lived in Jesus, the same way that Jesus lived in God. When Jesus was crucified, God left Jesus' body and that is why He cried out to God, "Why has Thou forsaken Me". Jesus' body was empty from God and He also had to carry all the burden of mankind's sin. Jesus had to die as man, otherwise His death would mean nothing at judgement day. Satan will then be able to use the fact that God was in Jesus or that Jesus was God, which can now not be done and Satan still has no foot to stand on. Satan is furious that he cannot return to heaven and he knows what is waiting for him, death by fire and brimstone. Only when Jesus Christ was resurrected and sat at the right hand side of God as the High Priest, did He receive some of His powers back plus His omnipresence. This is also only when the Holy Spirit on this earth existed. This Holy Spirit is the same bond between God and Jesus Christ but an extension to mankind, just in a smaller way. God exhibited His greatness through Jesus and Jesus now lives in those that accepted Him as the Son of God, and lives in Him. That is why Jesus has also said that where two or more are gathered in His Name, there He will be, because it is that bond, the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ in omnipresence form, that exists on this earth. It is not a separate God. After judgement, the saved will be with Jesus Christ and God in heaven. The Bible also teaches us that there will be only two thrones in the new Jerusalem. This is for Jesus and God. There will be NO other throne for another Holy Spirit. Jesus is still MAN next to God and that will remain at least till after judgement day as Satan will have some maneuvering power again if Jesus received His Godly status back before the time.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Deity can never be past tense.

Sure it was in this case, otherwise the coming of Jesus to this earth would be all for nothing and would have been a bluff to the people and leverage for Satan to have a chance of going back to heaven.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 4:3-5
King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]3 [/SUP]But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

Colossians 1:14-16
King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John 1
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

[FONT=&quot]The Trinity teaching has been in existence for many years and to come with a different view now will create reaction as change is always a problem in mankind's life. The problem is however that many believe that there are three Gods, which in the first place is not true. When Jesus was in this world, He only received the Holy Spirit AFTER He was baptized. God was then the only Holy Spirit in heaven. God used Jesus to heal the sick etc as God was doing all the healing. Jesus was just the instrument and Jesus did not do the healing. God lived in Jesus, the same way that Jesus lived in God. When Jesus was crucified, God left Jesus' body and that is why He cried out to God, "Why has Thou forsaken Me". Jesus' body was empty from God and He also had to carry all the burden of mankind's sin. Jesus had to die as man, otherwise His death would mean nothing at judgement day. Satan will then be able to use the fact that God was in Jesus or that Jesus was God, which can now not be done and Satan still has no foot to stand on. Satan is furious that he cannot return to heaven and he knows what is waiting for him, death by fire and brimstone. Only when Jesus Christ was resurrected and sat at the right hand side of God as the High Priest, did He receive some of His powers back plus His omnipresence. This is also only when the Holy Spirit on this earth existed. This Holy Spirit is the same bond between God and Jesus Christ but an extension to mankind, just in a smaller way. God exhibited His greatness through Jesus and Jesus now lives in those that accepted Him as the Son of God, and lives in Him. That is why Jesus has also said that where two or more are gathered in His Name, there He will be, because it is that bond, the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ in omnipresence form, that exists on this earth. It is not a separate God. After judgement, the saved will be with Jesus Christ and God in heaven. The Bible also teaches us that there will be only two thrones in the new Jerusalem. This is for Jesus and God. There will be NO other throne for another Holy Spirit. Jesus is still MAN next to God and that will remain at least till after judgement day as Satan will have some maneuvering power again if Jesus received His Godly status back before the time.[/FONT]

 

[Bowman]

Sure it was in this case, otherwise the coming of Jesus to this earth would be all for nothing and would have been a bluff to the people and leverage for Satan to have a chance of going back to heaven.

God is.

Not...

God was.

 

[newbirth]

The Trinity teaching has been in existence for many years and to come with a different view now will create reaction as change is always a problem in mankind's life. The problem is however that many believe that there are three Gods, which in the first place is not true. When Jesus was in this world, He only received the Holy Spirit AFTER He was baptized. God was then the only Holy Spirit in heaven. God used Jesus to heal the sick etc as God was doing all the healing. Jesus was just the instrument and Jesus did not do the healing. God lived in Jesus, the same way that Jesus lived in God. When Jesus was crucified, God left Jesus' body and that is why He cried out to God, "Why has Thou forsaken Me". Jesus' body was empty from God and He also had to carry all the burden of mankind's sin. Jesus had to die as man, otherwise His death would mean nothing at judgement day. Satan will then be able to use the fact that God was in Jesus or that Jesus was God, which can now not be done and Satan still has no foot to stand on. Satan is furious that he cannot return to heaven and he knows what is waiting for him, death by fire and brimstone.

Only when Jesus Christ was resurrected and sat at the right hand side of God as the High Priest, did He receive some of His powers back plus His omnipresence.

Matthew 28:18

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

This is also only when the Holy Spirit on this earth existed. This Holy Spirit is the same bond between God and Jesus Christ but an extension to mankind, just in a smaller way. God exhibited His greatness through Jesus and Jesus now lives in those that accepted Him as the Son of God, and lives in Him. That is why Jesus has also said that where two or more are gathered in His Name, there He will be, because it is that bond, the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ in omnipresence form, that exists on this earth. It is not a separate God. After judgement, the saved will be with Jesus Christ and God in heaven. The Bible also teaches us that there will be only two thrones in the new Jerusalem. This is for Jesus and God. There will be NO other throne for another Holy Spirit.

Jesus is still MAN next to God and that will remain at least till after judgement day as Satan will have some maneuvering power again if Jesus received His Godly status back before the time.

we do not worship man
[h=3]Matthew 28:8-10
[/h]
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:25-28[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



Very good post I am sure you would have figured out the errors soon enough

 

[TruthFromFrank]

God is.

Not...

God was.

Please follow my story from the beginning.
This is the text I started off with to make my statement.
King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Please note the last part "The Word WAS with God, and the Word WAS God." My understanding from this is that at the time of writing this text, the Word left God as He WAS with God, and that the Word has given up His Godly status as the Word WAS God but not anymore. This explains the process that had to be followed which was part of the Salvation Plan which God had. Jesus, who WAS a God with God, or the Word WAS with God and the Word WAS God, had to give up His Godly status to become totally MAN and even now, Jesus is sitting on the right hand side of God as Man.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. Jesus is the Word that was made flesh, yes, He was born as a small baby and Mary was His mother. Jesus did not come down as an adult Godly figure, but as a human baby, TOTALLY FLESH AND TOTALLY MAN.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

1 Corinthians 15:25-28

King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



Very good post I am sure you would have figured out the errors soon enough

When God lived in Jesus, Jesus was not God, and God was not Jesus because Jesus lived in God's. They still remained as two separate entities. The same way if Jesus lives in man, man is not Jesus, and Jesus is not man because He lives in man's heart.

 

[newbirth]

Please follow my story from the beginning.
This is the text I started off with to make my statement.
King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Please note the last part "The Word WAS with God, and the Word WAS God." My understanding from this is that at the time of writing this text, the Word left God as He WAS with God, and that the Word has given up His Godly status as the Word WAS God but not anymore. This explains the process that had to be followed which was part of the Salvation Plan which God had. Jesus, who WAS a God with God, or the Word WAS with God and the Word WAS God, had to give up His Godly status to become totally MAN and even now, Jesus is sitting on the right hand side of God as Man.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. Jesus is the Word that was made flesh, yes, He was born as a small baby and Mary was His mother. Jesus did not come down as an adult Godly figure, but as a human baby, TOTALLY FLESH AND TOTALLY MAN.

Matthew 2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

When God lived in Jesus, Jesus was not God, and God was not Jesus because Jesus lived in God's. They still remained as two separate entities. The same way if Jesus lives in man, man is not Jesus, and Jesus is not man because He lives in man's heart.

Jesus is the Word of God...the Word was with God ,the Word was God The Word was made flesh.[SUP]
19 [/SUP]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Why did he accept worship, do we worship man?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Can a man forgive sins?
And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

 

[Bowman]

Please follow my story from the beginning.
This is the text I started off with to make my statement.
King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Please note the last part "The Word WAS with God, and the Word WAS God." My understanding from this is that at the time of writing this text, the Word left God as He WAS with God, and that the Word has given up His Godly status as the Word WAS God but not anymore. This explains the process that had to be followed which was part of the Salvation Plan which God had. Jesus, who WAS a God with God, or the Word WAS with God and the Word WAS God, had to give up His Godly status to become totally MAN and even now, Jesus is sitting on the right hand side of God as Man.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. Jesus is the Word that was made flesh, yes, He was born as a small baby and Mary was His mother. Jesus did not come down as an adult Godly figure, but as a human baby, TOTALLY FLESH AND TOTALLY MAN.

We know that the second person of the Trinity was in the world from the beginning - and He came to His own, but the majority did not know Him, as thus…

He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, yet the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become children of God, to the ones believing into His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God. And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and of truth. John witnesses concerning Him, and has cried out, saying, This One was He of whom I said, He coming after me has been before me, for He was preceding me. And out of His fullness we all received, and grace on top of grace. For the Law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him.(John 1.10 – 18)


Scripture clearly informs the reader that the Word occupied flesh when He was in the world and that He was beheld as The Glory of God.


That the second person of the Trinity occupied flesh before being born of a woman and being referred to as God The Son, is made crystal clear by John’s proclamation that ‘He coming after me has been before me, for He was preceding me’.This is a full admission that The Son was manifest both before John’s time and after John’s time.


These early manifestations of The Son, The God-man, consisted of Malek Yahweh, El Shaddai, etc, etc…

 

[newbirth]

We know that the second person of the Trinity was in the world from the beginning - and He came to His own, but the majority did not know Him, as thus…

He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, yet the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become children of God, to the ones believing into His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God. And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and of truth. John witnesses concerning Him, and has cried out, saying, This One was He of whom I said, He coming after me has been before me, for He was preceding me. And out of His fullness we all received, and grace on top of grace. For the Law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him.(John 1.10 – 18)

Scripture clearly informs the reader that the Word occupied flesh when He was in the world and that He was beheld as The Glory of God.

Yes now show me just like that where thr holy spirit is worshipped as God


That the second person of the Trinity occupied flesh before being born of a woman and being referred to as God The Son, is made crystal clear by John’s proclamation that ‘He coming after me has been before me, for He was preceding me’.This is a full admission that The Son was manifest both before John’s time and after John’s time.


These early manifestations of The Son, The God-man, consisted of Malek Yahweh, El Shaddai, etc, etc…

Yes now show me just like that where the holy spirit is worshipped as God..straight scripture chapter and verse...worship the holy spirit...

 

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Yes now show me just like that where the holy spirit is worshipped as God..straight scripture chapter and verse...worship the holy spirit...

If you worship God, you worship the Holy Spirit, because the Spirit is God, as the Father and Son are God.