POPE-Communists are Closet Christians ???!!!

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Communism is what's at the future of human development.

Only if there is no personal God.

I fail to see how capitalism equates to Godliness. Maybe you could explain it to some starving kids for me?

I didn't mention capitalism. I didn't even mention Godliness. My only meaning was that if there is no personal God then perhaps ''Communism is what's at the future of human development."
But I believe in a personal God who states His Theocracy is what's at the future of human development. Communism, capitalism etc., is only a drop in the ocean of eternity.
 
I didn't mention capitalism. I didn't even mention Godliness. My only meaning was that if there is no personal God then perhaps ''Communism is what's at the future of human development."
But I believe in a personal God who states His Theocracy is what's at the future of human development. Communism, capitalism etc., is only a drop in the ocean of eternity.

Ahh, my bad. Well, before that. It's the natural course of a currency society to see the problems with currency ... eventually.
 
Oh, I see. Interesting. Thank you for the explanation.

His statement was that Communism as an ideal has stolen the banner of helping the poor in the eyes of the modern world. He also was saying that those who adhere to communism as a way to helping the poor may be closeted Christians. Meaning that all we need do is to reach out and evangelize the youngest communist generation, because it is from Christ where the true almsgivings will come from.
 
Communism has never actually existed in a nation and never actually will. In any "communist" nation, there is always a wealthy powerful party elite who oversee the poor masses they keep under their control through the use of authoritarianism or totalitarianism combined with the political corruption of favoritism, nepotism, and clientelism (stick and carrot).

The Soviet Union is a good case example of what happens when this is taken too far as they slowed the ability to move through their Union to a crawl with invention/innovation/idea creation eventually falling behind the West. China's invention/innovation was stifled for decades under that model and they fell way behind before they changed direction and took the hand out the West offered them (e.g. jobs, loans, capital investment, invention/innovation, etc...) on a silver platter. Of course, as a single party authoritarian (ex-totalitarian) regime: China could end it all tomorrow with a simple edict from party headquarters. That's the nature of "communism."

Whatever form of government the West morphs into following the coming economic collapses brought about through sheer irresponsibility of both the people and their political representatives; there will always be these two classes. The question is, given the dying white and blue collar middle class: will there be any others besides.

As for National Socialism, the German's short-lived "economic miracle" was based largely on the strategy of conquering their neighbors and transporting the wealth of the conquered nations back into Germany for the benefit of the Nazi party and the German people (like Genghis Khan).

Wiki puts it like this:

"During the Hitler era (1933–45), the economy developed a hothouse prosperity, supported with high government subsidies to those sectors that tended to give Germany military power and economic autarky, that is, economic independence from the global economy. During the war itself the German economy was sustained by the exploitation of conquered territories and people."

When it comes to global socio-economic politics: there's no such thing as a "free lunch."


I'll look like the radical anarchist as usual, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it anyway. Communism is what's at the future of human development. It's only a matter of time before fiat money systems collapse beyond repair. People already ask questions about our financial model - mostly 'what's wrong with all this?' The majority of people just don't understand the specifics of why it doesn't inherently work. (Fiat money has no intrinsic value, banks lend moneys to governments at interest etc).

Even state capitalism works far better than liberal capitalism. Nazi Germany is one example of state capitalism working incredibly well as a financial model when it's coupled with socialist ethic. Too bad about what happened after that, because now a person can't mention the financial model without people calling them a Nazi. All the horrible things Hitler did aside, his financial model was near perfect for his own country's financial benefit. Creating currency at the value of work was a genius idea, and it works far better than our model - currency that's got no inherent value other than a bond of trust.

However, true communism doesn't have a currency at all. Socialism, yes, there's currency involved, but genuine communist society negates the need for purchase power. Obviously, a true communist society has never actually existed and the word is tarnished with all the political baggage that comes with it but at its roots it's a great idea and once people get around to giving before they take, then it might work.

But at the moment, people just aren't ready for it.
 
I had a Sizzler salad bar topped off with a non-soy vegetable protein shake and glass of cinnamon tea. I know I'm intense. I've always been intense. When, I was born the doctor held me up by my feet and swatted my behind to start me breathing and I turned to him and said, "improve your technique!" My mother stated, "he's talking!" I turned to her wagging my finger and said, "and you missy do not get me started. Now take me home, I've got things to do." Lol.


You seem to be very relaxed and things lately, AgeOfKNowledge. Did something good happen to you?

Whatever it is, it's lovely to see :)
 
Its been tried.

It failed....why repeat history? Repeating failure defines ignorance.

The failed mechanics of communism is this...man is depraved and given an easy way out, he will take it.

Research what happened to the people from the Mayflower, they started out sharing their goods communally and almost starved to death. Its not human nature to SUSTAIN a culture like this.

Its christianity 101, the deprived nature of man.
 
LOLOL! Well said AND too funny.

Its been tried.

It failed....why repeat history? Repeating failure defines ignorance.

The failed mechanics of communism is this...man is depraved and given an easy way out, he will take it.

Research what happened to the people from the Mayflower, they started out sharing their goods communally and almost starved to death. Its not human nature to SUSTAIN a culture like this.

Its christianity 101, the deprived nature of man.
 
I hope you all realize that Pope Francis has stood against communism for a long time. When he was a Jesuit priest, Father Bergolio openly denounced the Communist party of Argentina. He refused Eucharist to anyone involved in the Communist takeover, and subsequently was almost assassinated by the Communist party. When he became Bishop, the communists threatened his life again. Pope Francis has been a staunch anti-communist since before I was even born.
 
His statement was that Communism as an ideal has stolen the banner of helping the poor in the eyes of the modern world. He also was saying that those who adhere to communism as a way to helping the poor may be closeted Christians. Meaning that all we need do is to reach out and evangelize the youngest communist generation, because it is from Christ where the true almsgivings will come from.

The catholics sure like to reach out to the young.

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The John Jay Report reported that "homosexual men entered the seminaries in noticeable numbers from the late 1970s through the 1980s."

Report here: http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...ic-Priests-in-the-United-States-1950-2010.pdf

The report states that about 5 percent of the total number of priests during the period studied were formally accused of abuse with about 4 percent of those accused of sexual abuse of a minor. By FAR the abusers targeted boys.

Imo, the report was designed to avoid the obvious: homosexual priests targeted boys.

A number of studies performed over a period spanning more than half a century, many of which were performed by homosexuals or their sympathizers, have shown that an extremely large percentage of sexually active homosexuals also participate in child sexual molestation.

This is not "homophobia" or "hatred," this is simple scientific fact. For example;

  • Homosexual Alfred Kinsey, the preeminent sexual researcher in the history of sexual research, found in 1948 that 37 percent of all male homosexuals admitted to having sex with children under 17 years old.
  • A very recent (2000) study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that "The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2-4% of men attracted to adults prefer men. In contrast, around 25-40% of men attracted to children prefer boys. Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 620 times higher among pedophiles."
  • Another 2000 study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories" for sexual activity;' These age categories were fifteen and twenty years old.
  • Yet another recent study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that "Pedophilia appears to have a greater than chance association with two other statistically infrequent phenomena. The first of these is homosexuality. Recent surveys estimate the prevalence of homosexuality, among men attracted to adults, in the neighborhood of 2%. In contrast, the prevalence of homosexuality among pedophiles may be as high as 30-40%."
  • A 1989 study in the Journal of Sex Research noted that "... the proportion of sex offenders against male children among homosexual men is substantially larger than the proportion of sex offenders against female children among heterosexual men. . . the development of pedophilia is more closely linked with homosexuality than with heterosexuality."
  • A 1988 study of 229 convicted child molesters published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that 86% of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.
  • In a 1984 Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy article, sex researchers found that "The proportional prevalence of [male] offenders against male children in this group of 457 offenders against children was 36 percent."
  • Homosexual activists Karla Jay and I Allen Young revealed in their 1979 Gay Report that 73% of all homosexuals I have acted as "chicken hawks" — that is, they have preyed on adolescent or younger boys.
  • In a 1992 study published in the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, sex researchers K. Freud and R. I. Watson found that homosexual males are three times more likely than straight men to engage in pedophilia, and that the average pedophile victimizes between 20 and 150 boys before being arrested.
  • A study by sex researchers Alan Bell and Martin Weinberg found that 25% of white homosexual men have had sex with boys sixteen years and younger.

There are occasional scientific attempts to deny or obscure the fact that a disproportionately high percentage of active homosexuals also molest children. These studies are invariably afflicted with one or more fatal flaws.


The catholics sure like to reach out to the young.
 
Its been tried.

It failed....why repeat history? Repeating failure defines ignorance.

The failed mechanics of communism is this...man is depraved and given an easy way out, he will take it.

Research what happened to the people from the Mayflower, they started out sharing their goods communally and almost starved to death. Its not human nature to SUSTAIN a culture like this.

Its christianity 101, the deprived nature of man.

I agree as lazy men and women will freeload off of those who do the work which results in resentment, jealousy, anger etc......A man that won't work should not be allowed to eat! and is worse than an INFIDEL!
 
New world order will be like communist system. Be prepare, don't love the world anymore. All our belonging, our house and property will belong to the government. God purified his bride. He is a jealous God. He don't want us to love our property and love Him in the same time.

The sign is so strong, Pope is promoting New word order and communism will be the system. Jesuit prepare for more then 150 years in Paraguay It call Paraguay reduction.
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There seems to be some misunderstanding of what communism inherently is and the cultures who have lived in a true communal society. Before modern civilization there were two majority human groups. We'll call them farmers and hunter gatherers.

The farming ethos that came to be was about ownership at its base. In the beginning the ownership would have been a communal land ownership, then of course came the advent of personal land ownership, currency, human ownership, male ownership of women etc etc. But before all that, there were communities of human beings who did not have any of this. No concept of currency, no concept of personal legal ownership of land, ownership of women.

Hunter gatherer communities were genuinely communist communities. Land, the Earth, was a birthright of those born on it. Nobody owned the plot of land where a mother gave birth and nobody laid claim to it. Earth was Earth, and Earthlings belonged to the Earth. Both men and women gathered or hunted food in small groups and any findings were shared among the group. Childcare was undertaken by the entire group, as was hunting.

To put this in perspective, in our society, we are born into a world where we may very well have right to nothing because perhaps our parents own nothing, and since ownership is in many ways a foundation of our social system, where chaste and social rank are very evident, to not own anything is to have no birthright. Now, this in itself demeans us as a species. We are born into the capitalist world and nothing is our birthright. We must always ask permission, work for currency, pay to those who would take our earnings and distribute our wealth to those whom we do not even know.

We are given little and so we desire to give little.

In almost all practical respects, we are either domineering or oppressed - sometimes both. Those above us own more power, thus are a higher social rank. Those below us own less power, thus are a lesser social rank.

Communism entails none of this. No currency. No ownership. No hierarchy. Humans are given to from birth, and will give back when they are of age. Each man is alike to another. The bonds of society are founded on the mutual benefit of an egalitarian equality. Respect demands a man to eat his share and no more. The attitude to share creates an atmosphere of community. Yet in our current society we are taught 'earn, have, take' and this creates huge gulfs in social rank. We have a hierarchy system more suited to some of the ape species than to human beings and the communist ideal is to take that away - to remove rank, chaste, personal ownership and capitalist ethos.

The issue is that we now have a global community of currency based livelihood and so transforming the ideals of the hunter gatherer community into modern terms is incredibly difficult and complex, mostly because of purchase power being currency. Marx wrote in his manifesto that this was the biggest obstacle to a communist society - the dictation of what is purchasing power and how much value it holds. The manifesto starts with a definition of purchase power and Marx examines at length what it inherently means and how it is deduced.

Whoever said human greed is an issue in communist ideology is spot on. The very people whose power it was to dictate the terms of purchase power are those same people whose motives for creating the banking-currency system were little more than greed.

The farmer mentality led to the capitalist systems we now have, and the capitalist ideology is 'more'. It compounds and exacerbates human greed rather than do anything to dispel it. Even some of your ideals of what communism is are from such a starkly capitalist viewpoint that explaining the communist society is almost impossible to do. When someone says something along the lines of 'they'll take our money and give it to the poor and that's criminal' it shows the degree to which the capitalist currency model is embedded in peoples' minds.

Truly communist society doesn't have currency at all.
 
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As for the illuminati new world order, the Illuminati were a Bavarian group of seekers who advocated the personal search for truth, not a group dedicated to taking reigns on the world for their own gain. If you want those who take reigns on the world for their own gain, then just realize that those who control the purchase power and decide its value are those who hold the power to own whatever is in the world and do what they like with it.