Is She Really The Lady God Has For Me?

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sdbassist

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Hello. I am a 61-year old Christian male living in So. CA. I am a musician (Bass/Vocals) on my church praise team. I am also a life & health insurance agent.

I have had my share of ups and downs in life, but have always pressed forward with and by the grace of God. I am extremely thankful for Jesus dying on the cross for my sins and for living in my life. I try to rely on Him in every minute of my life.

Back in February of 2013, I had a prayer session with God in which I cried out (Literally) to Him asking Him to bring a lady into my life who I could love and cherish. I have always heard that we should pray specifically when we pray, and I asked Him for exactly what I felt I wanted in a lady. I was sincere and expectant that He would bring this to pass. .

On March 10, 2013, I met (Let's call her Jane). We began talking after church and began meeting after church on Sundays to talk more. We found these conversations lasting 11 and 12+ hours. And she quizzed me unmercilessly on every facet of my past relationships and I told her the truth. At one point, God even used me to pray for healing in her hand, which He accomplished. We have been dating (No sex involved) for almost 1&1/2 years now.

I have been there for her in every way possible since then, even taking care of her every need for a 10-day period when she could not even move due to back pain, and overseeing the demolition (I did the demolition and wall preparation myself)/procurement of the cabinet builder and painter of her new kitchen, the installation of new windows, doors/ shutters and repairs around her house, to name just a few things.

She told me not long after we began dating that I have her heart. She tell me that she loves me and I tell her that I love her, although I am always the first to say that. We do everything together. I honor her in every way. I am a gentleman, an encourager and she is in my heart all of the time.

When we met, I was at a place of numbness in my Christian walk. Oh, I went to church and played on the praise team, but that's about it. You see, I had been close to many Christian pastors/worship leaders over the years and I had seen too much and been hurt as a result, not knowing if I could trust God and Christianity, etc.

But she was firm with me and brought me out of that mindset (Really, a heartset) over time. And I have told her in no uncertain terms that God used her to do this and I have also thanked her for being obedient to God because no one (Other relationships) has ever been able to reach deep within me like that. Everyone around me (From my pastors on down) has seen the positive changes in me.

The thing that I don't understand is that, during this entire time, she has been critical of me for almost everything I do or say or the clothes I wear, my posture, weight, what I eat/drink, and virtually everything that is "me." I have listened to everything she has told me and have made every effort to implement each item because I always want to improve.

But that is not enough for her; lately she is being critical about my walk with God, telling me that she doesn't see me making any progress with God. She also said twice now that her prayers for me are being wasted. I truly do not understand why she is making these accusations; I read my Bible every day, I do not drink, smoke, so drugs - she is the only lady I want in my life - there is no one else that I am even remotely pursuing.

She is repeating her accusations about things I have said in the past which she felt should have been handled differently; a great example of this, is that our church is a new church. The members of the praise team, of which I am a member, have played together for years (There was an unfortunate church split), but I always kept my distance as far as them knowing me that well; in other words, they have not known much about me except that I was there and faithful.

Our pastor requested that we, as a praise team, try to get closer as a team. So on rehearsal nights (Beginning a couple of months ago), we would pick a word, such as "discipline" or "obedience" along with Bible verses pertaining to that word. Each of us would speak about what that word meant in our life and how God had changed us and brought us to a higher level in Him. All of us opened up to each other.

I opened up in a couple of these sessions, talking about some things in my past because I felt God's presence and because I felt comfortable. After that, I was totally accepted in the group because (I believe) the other members realized that I was for real and that I had encountered struggles in my life which God had helped me to overcome in the name of Jesus! And I thank Him for that all of the time...

But Jane feels that I talked too much and that since I am older (The other members are in their 20s and 30s, that I should never do that as I should be an example to them and that now I have exposed too much of my humanity (My words) to them. I asked my pastor about this, and he told me that everyone on the praise team is very happy with the changes they have seen in me and that they respect me even more than before.

So now that she keeps bringing this up at different times, my response to her is that I understand what she has told me, and that I have backed off of saying anything more to these people. I asked her why won't she just pray for me, that God will change me and direct me? She told me that her prayers for me are wasted. She told me that she wants a "man" in her life, and I told her that I need a "woman" in my life who is an encourager and who prays for me to change into the man God wants me to be for her instead of trying to force me into changing at her demand.

I also told her that she is putting herself into the position of being my judge, when God only is my judge, and she then denies that she is judging me. It is if she is trying to goad me into being angry, and I will admit that it is irritating when I have done everything within my power to love her, care for her (Again, no sex is involved) in every way, court her, tell her that I love her, do all I can for her, acting entirely from the deep recesses of my heart, and this is the outcome...

This is just one example - most of the time, she is incredibly great, but then she goes off on these tangents out of the blue, and when I get frustrated and defend myself, she says that I have an anger issue. I feel like I just can't win...

Recently, I have asked God to take her out of my life if she is not the lady He wants me to have. I asked Him to give me the lady that HE wants me to have - no more of me stating what I want! I do truly love her, so I absolutely would love to get this worked out if it is His will.

I truly love her - the interesting thing is that I have never asked her to change one thing about her (Except her accusations toward me) because I love her just the way she is (I think she is fantastic in virtually every way), yet she has always sought to change almost everything about me, and as I mentioned above, I have made every effort to comply for many reasons.

And I readily admit that I am not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but I know Who is and I am doing my best to serve Him every day.

I am at a loss - does anyone have any advice about how I should proceed other than to wait on God? I am praying for His will above mine.
 

CatHerder

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She seems very controlling. Is this what you want? Some men do...

You need to make changes, but she doesn't....you two are not equals in her eyes. This is not good.



ETA:

Oh, and welcome to CC! :)
 
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Oncefallen

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When push comes to shove there is only one person that can answer you question...............YOU.

You have a decision to make very soon IMO. Either decide you are content with your relationship and proceed forward and marry her, or decide that you do not like the way she treats you and let her go. There is, of course, a third option and that is to sit down and talk with her to try to determine why nothing you do is good enough.

Unfortunately some women in an attempt to try to motivate their men to strive to be better unknowingly and unintentionally knock the wind out of their sails. One of the best books that I've read about the differences between men and women and how we communicate is Love and Respect by Emerson Eggerichs.
 
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BananaPie

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Howdy, Brother.

Say there, your friend seems controlling. According to the Bible, the communication between brethren and the sisters, especially if one of the men is to become her husband, is to be:

a) Respectful (Ephesians 5:33);

b) Self-controlled & Submissive (Titus 2:5);

c) of a quiet spirit "which is precious in the sight of God" (1 Peter 3:4).

You may want to bring this matter in prayer before the Lord, and as a suggestion, let her know that you
appreciate all she's done, but you'd rather part ways. May the Lord's wisdom continue to shine upon you. :)
 
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BTW, if a brother treated me the way you've described your friend, I'd be like, later Brother.:p
 
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¡Señor! No sé si usted me vaya a creer (I told it just to be heard).

I'm not to give you a clue on what you are going to do but I felt, several of your issues, were similar to mine (except I wasn't cast as you are).

Your account is similar to mine! The only thing I see different is that the one I wanted to marry had 3 children and she thought I needed their approval also (a thing I dismissed).

She saw too many things I'm comfortable with that she was close to make me feel miserable, so I myself left (and it' s a moths without her and I emotionally regret it).

How much more harassment I would have found if I had married a woman who saw my stains without looking at her faults or defects, first? (She has, but I accept all of them, except criticizing me or asking me to change). My shoes, my clothing and its fashion, etc., because she said she deserves it (but it wasn't a real need, at least for me).

She always cut my hair, each week. She wanted me shaved and perfumed 8that I felt somewhat feminine). Ha! Ha! She also cut my down and everything I have she could get shaved. It wasn't me, but hers.

Well! If I was smart enough to write it down the way you did it, in my clumsy Spanish, I would never achieve the style and quality you got...

I'm getting healed from such an emotional DEPENDENCY I had from her. She is an angel, but I don' t want a judge sit on my seat.

In fact, I'm writing an Spanish book about everything I learned from her, but I'm sure it wasn't love: When you love a person, you accept her as a whole being and, if I ever thought I loved her, I disliked her everyday critics and, a love like that, never lasts.
 
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sdbassist

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Thank you CatHerder. By the way, she has two cats which I have grown to love also.
 
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sdbassist

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Thank you Oncefallen. I appreciate you (And everyone) taking the time to read my post. It is a little complicated.

I will look up the book and thank you for your advice! God bless you.
 
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sdbassist

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I hear you, Banana Pie (BTW, bananas are one of my favorites). It is sad to me that there is some disconnect between us because I love her dearly.
 
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sdbassist

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Thank you - I am praying. Appreciate your prayers also. God knows all...
 
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sdbassist

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Thank you secularhermit. God bless you.
 

gypsygirl

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as others have said, only you can really decide how much you want to invest in this kind of a relationship.

for me, personally, if i had invested that kind of time into a relationship with someone that i loved, i MIGHT be inclined to give them time to work some of their stuff out IF they were open to addressing this stuff, in earnest. as in, openly willing to see that they have a problem, and they are willing to take reasonable steps to correct and improve this.

but if you do, you've got to make your feelings abundantly clear, and give her a chance to see if she's even concerned about making any changes with your help (and a counselor, in my opinion).

reading your post, i get the sense that you haven't opened up all that much about how you feel about this to her, or if you have, it's been in a veiled and unclear way. this isn't really fair to either of you, if that's the case.

you need to show her this post, in my opinion. scare her straight. show her how bad it is from your perspective. you'll get a sense of how badly she wants to address this issue in her life by the reaction to it. not at first, because she'll probably not receive it well initially. but give her some time, and see what happens.

i know women who are like what you describe, and what is required is some serious work on one's self. a need to control stems from fear, insecurity and other factors that have absolutely NOTHING to do with you. all you can do is hold up a mirror and encourage her to work on herself, and that is going to be a process.

if all you get is excuses, defensiveness and denial, i'd cut bait and move on.
 
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sdbassist

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Thank you secularhermit. God bless you.
 
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sdbassist

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Thank you gypsygirl. I know that I just have to trust God. Something in your post jumped out at me - maybe I need to be much more sensitive to her "fear, insecurity and other factors" than I realized. She seems to "have it all together" all of the time. She never apologizes for anything because she says that she does nothing wrong (In her eyes).
 
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Thank you secularhermit. God bless you.
Amen, SiR!

I think you situation is a "confirmation" so, I myself felt you blessed me in a situation like that.

Just one more thing to ponder: Everyone wants SAFETY (men and women). It doesn't matter it be economical, devotional or loyal as in chastity that means.

I started to believe solely GOD would lead a man and a woman to marriage (Same way Abraham help Isaac to be married).

Just ask Him for HIS will! I have been blind to see HIS light. :cool:
 

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Hello. I am a 61-year old Christian male living in So. CA. I am a musician (Bass/Vocals) on my church praise team. I am also a life & health insurance agent.

I have had my share of ups and downs in life, but have always pressed forward with and by the grace of God. I am extremely thankful for Jesus dying on the cross for my sins and for living in my life. I try to rely on Him in every minute of my life.

Back in February of 2013, I had a prayer session with God in which I cried out (Literally) to Him asking Him to bring a lady into my life who I could love and cherish. I have always heard that we should pray specifically when we pray, and I asked Him for exactly what I felt I wanted in a lady. I was sincere and expectant that He would bring this to pass. .

On March 10, 2013, I met (Let's call her Jane). We began talking after church and began meeting after church on Sundays to talk more. We found these conversations lasting 11 and 12+ hours. And she quizzed me unmercilessly on every facet of my past relationships and I told her the truth. At one point, God even used me to pray for healing in her hand, which He accomplished. We have been dating (No sex involved) for almost 1&1/2 years now.

I have been there for her in every way possible since then, even taking care of her every need for a 10-day period when she could not even move due to back pain, and overseeing the demolition (I did the demolition and wall preparation myself)/procurement of the cabinet builder and painter of her new kitchen, the installation of new windows, doors/ shutters and repairs around her house, to name just a few things.

She told me not long after we began dating that I have her heart. She tell me that she loves me and I tell her that I love her, although I am always the first to say that. We do everything together. I honor her in every way. I am a gentleman, an encourager and she is in my heart all of the time.

When we met, I was at a place of numbness in my Christian walk. Oh, I went to church and played on the praise team, but that's about it. You see, I had been close to many Christian pastors/worship leaders over the years and I had seen too much and been hurt as a result, not knowing if I could trust God and Christianity, etc.

But she was firm with me and brought me out of that mindset (Really, a heartset) over time. And I have told her in no uncertain terms that God used her to do this and I have also thanked her for being obedient to God because no one (Other relationships) has ever been able to reach deep within me like that. Everyone around me (From my pastors on down) has seen the positive changes in me.

The thing that I don't understand is that, during this entire time, she has been critical of me for almost everything I do or say or the clothes I wear, my posture, weight, what I eat/drink, and virtually everything that is "me." I have listened to everything she has told me and have made every effort to implement each item because I always want to improve.

But that is not enough for her; lately she is being critical about my walk with God, telling me that she doesn't see me making any progress with God. She also said twice now that her prayers for me are being wasted. I truly do not understand why she is making these accusations; I read my Bible every day, I do not drink, smoke, so drugs - she is the only lady I want in my life - there is no one else that I am even remotely pursuing.

She is repeating her accusations about things I have said in the past which she felt should have been handled differently; a great example of this, is that our church is a new church. The members of the praise team, of which I am a member, have played together for years (There was an unfortunate church split), but I always kept my distance as far as them knowing me that well; in other words, they have not known much about me except that I was there and faithful.

Our pastor requested that we, as a praise team, try to get closer as a team. So on rehearsal nights (Beginning a couple of months ago), we would pick a word, such as "discipline" or "obedience" along with Bible verses pertaining to that word. Each of us would speak about what that word meant in our life and how God had changed us and brought us to a higher level in Him. All of us opened up to each other.

I opened up in a couple of these sessions, talking about some things in my past because I felt God's presence and because I felt comfortable. After that, I was totally accepted in the group because (I believe) the other members realized that I was for real and that I had encountered struggles in my life which God had helped me to overcome in the name of Jesus! And I thank Him for that all of the time...

But Jane feels that I talked too much and that since I am older (The other members are in their 20s and 30s, that I should never do that as I should be an example to them and that now I have exposed too much of my humanity (My words) to them. I asked my pastor about this, and he told me that everyone on the praise team is very happy with the changes they have seen in me and that they respect me even more than before.

So now that she keeps bringing this up at different times, my response to her is that I understand what she has told me, and that I have backed off of saying anything more to these people. I asked her why won't she just pray for me, that God will change me and direct me? She told me that her prayers for me are wasted. She told me that she wants a "man" in her life, and I told her that I need a "woman" in my life who is an encourager and who prays for me to change into the man God wants me to be for her instead of trying to force me into changing at her demand.

I also told her that she is putting herself into the position of being my judge, when God only is my judge, and she then denies that she is judging me. It is if she is trying to goad me into being angry, and I will admit that it is irritating when I have done everything within my power to love her, care for her (Again, no sex is involved) in every way, court her, tell her that I love her, do all I can for her, acting entirely from the deep recesses of my heart, and this is the outcome...

This is just one example - most of the time, she is incredibly great, but then she goes off on these tangents out of the blue, and when I get frustrated and defend myself, she says that I have an anger issue. I feel like I just can't win...

Recently, I have asked God to take her out of my life if she is not the lady He wants me to have. I asked Him to give me the lady that HE wants me to have - no more of me stating what I want! I do truly love her, so I absolutely would love to get this worked out if it is His will.

I truly love her - the interesting thing is that I have never asked her to change one thing about her (Except her accusations toward me) because I love her just the way she is (I think she is fantastic in virtually every way), yet she has always sought to change almost everything about me, and as I mentioned above, I have made every effort to comply for many reasons.

And I readily admit that I am not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but I know Who is and I am doing my best to serve Him every day.

I am at a loss - does anyone have any advice about how I should proceed other than to wait on God? I am praying for His will above mine.
I can relate to a lot of what you have said.

This woman is not supportive of you and lacks respect. I prayed for 3 years to God to chose a wife for me. He answered that prayer and we had 11 wonderful years together until her death. The woman is high maintenance and she will ultimately snuff out any feelings that you have towards her one insult at time. Cut her loose and continue to pray for God to send to you a woman of your hearts desire.

Another option is to do what I am going to do and get a dog. A dog will give you unconditional love. All that this woman does is chip away at your self-esteem and destroying your dream of happiness.
 

gypsygirl

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Thank you gypsygirl. I know that I just have to trust God. Something in your post jumped out at me - maybe I need to be much more sensitive to her "fear, insecurity and other factors" than I realized. She seems to "have it all together" all of the time. She never apologizes for anything because she says that she does nothing wrong (In her eyes).

women who present as "having it all together" usually are doing that for a reason. leading with strength and independence and reluctant to show vulnerability EVEN after a 1.5 year relationship is a fearful woman, in my opinion.

i personally naturally tend to "lead" with my strength and independence a bit like that, but my walls come down immediately with trustworthy people who make the effort to know me, and certainly with friends and relationships. however, years ago, before i re-dedicated my life, i was about as accessible as fort knox and wasn't ready to deal with stuff until God forced me to.

she's got stuff to work out -- i don't know what her history is, but maybe you can provide the catalyst to help her deal with the reasons why she's feeling so insecure and needs to compulsively control you or others. your brutal honesty could be a glass of cold water to help her walls tumble down. on the other hand, she may not be ready to address the root causes in her life and surrender herself to God completely yet.

but she's locked up for a reason. and most people aren't self-aware enough to do that on their own, so yeah, counselling.
 
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I can relate to a lot of what you have said.

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Another option is to do what I am going to do and get a dog. A dog will give you unconditional love. All that this woman does is chip away at your self-esteem and destroying your dream of happiness.
>Adding nothing:

When you have pets you can circulate in the stream of people who also love pets (Good idea, Dr. Tour!).

But (There's a BUT I see).

If you get a pet lover, be sure she is going to keep it out of your bedroom (unless you like to sleep with their fur in your eyes or mouth).

I had a wonderful teacher who used to kiss her dog in the mouth. Her boyfriend felt it disgusted and told her his claim (I would have done the same). Let's admit he was also jealous and, the time her class knew it (I was in there) I told one of her pupils: Will you like to received one of those kisses? He laughed with me, and I'm sure we both felt jealous she used to kiss her German dog.

Just thoughts to consider: Pet's fur and your own feelings. :)