The Fixed Earth

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Summary of important references for proving a non-moving earth;

a) The Sagnac experiment - the Sagnac Interference proved that there was an ether which could be used as a reference frame for movements. This experiment completely demolishes Einstein/Meliva Maric theory of Relativity.

b) Using the ether as a frame of reference, the Michelson-Morely Experiment showed that the earth is NOT orbiting the sun.

c) Airy's Experiment proved that the starlight was already coming into earth at an angle, being carried along by the ether.

d) The Michelson-Gale Experiment showed that the ether was going around a stationary earth 1 rotation per day, this disproves the alternative that the earth was moving inside a stationary ether.

 

[Graybeard]

What are you talking about? They fired a rocket at the moon and hit it, well congratulations, that's billions of tax payers money well spent, so lazy satanic governments can shoot at the moon, you are gullible!

maybe was a waste of money, gullible no....

Actually I just checked and it was a meteor.

ahh..now it's a meteor..really?? where did you get that info?...first you agree that it was a spacecraft and now you say it was a meteor...lol
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091008-nasa-moon-bombing-lcross-water-crash.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/LCROSS-Finds-Water-on-the-Moon-127011.shtml
there are many more links

I didn't contradict myself as Geostationary Satellites do not move, are you suggesting that the atmosphere of the earth is also rotating at 1000 miles per hour aprox. (Equator) as well as the earth, how do detect this when no experiment has ever detected this movement, of the atmosphere or the earth west to east.

what are YOU talking about?? YOU are the one that stated that the atmosphere moves around the earth not me, check your post No7:

The outer atmosphere of the earth is in motion, that is why the satellite moves around the earth, if it was the earth that was moving along with it's atmosphere, then the sateillite could not orbit as it would be moving within the atmosphere of a moving earth, but it revolves along with space which revolves around the earth.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

ahh..now it's a meteor..really?? where did you get that info?...first you agree that it was a spacecraft and now you say it was a meteor...lol

I did say I checked, there were two disinfo's circulated, so a spent two minutes verifying, then was guided by the spirit of truth which revealed the error of both mainstream accounts, the only conclusion was that it was a meteor, which is the truth, so now you've been told the truth, you laugh at it, that is not wise but very foolish.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091008-nasa-moon-bombing-lcross-water-crash.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/LCROSS-Finds-Water-on-the-Moon-127011.shtml
there are many more links

National Geographic and Softpedia, no thankyou, all well known propaganda peddlers.

what are YOU talking about?? YOU are the one that stated that the atmosphere moves around the earth not me, check your post No7:

Yes, just not at a 1000 mph, there is also an ether as proved by the experiments I just referenced previously.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Oh and 'Graybeard' I see you've adopted the Hex as your avatar, very appropriate for you.

 

[Graybeard]

I did say I checked, there were two disinfo's circulated, so a spent two minutes verifying, then was guided by the spirit of truth which revealed the error of both mainstream accounts, the only conclusion was that it was a meteor, which is the truth, so now you've been told the truth, you laugh at it, that is not wise but very foolish.

so where did you check, what links?

National Geographic and Softpedia, no thankyou, all well known propaganda peddlers.

give me a break!...I also said there are plenty other links...take your pick...just show your source

Yes, just not at a 1000 mph, there is also an ether as proved by the experiments I just referenced previously.

I did not even mention speed

Oh and 'Graybeard' I see you've adopted the Hex as your avatar, very appropriate for you.

Thanks for that..whatever you mean by it, I would not know, but to me it is the Star of David, which has been adopted by the Nation of Israel, which I believe still to be Gods chosen people.

 

[greatkraw]

Actually I just checked and it was a meteor.

so meteors can get there but not rockets


gotcha!

 

[greatkraw]

Contact NASA and the Smithsonian Air and Space Musem and see if they can provide the verifiable PROOF that the earth is rotating, because they are not basing their math or satellite movements on a non-moving earth! I know that they don't have the math but you can find out yourself. Also you are still confused with GPS and Geostationary satellites and LEO Satellites and their component engine parts relative to speed allegedly travelling at.

Actually Cup, you are full of hot air.

There is a reason why those who wish to launch rockets look for a site as close as they can to the equator.

Because the earths surface is travelling at 1000 miles per hour. A free boost compared with launching from the poles.

 

[greatkraw]

Planes account for rotation of the earth????? Please provide details, what movement of the atmosphere are they accounting for? Obviously we can easily establish that the surface of the earth is not moving without movement of the atmosphere otherwise we would fly by ascending directly up, waiting untiol the surface of the earth rotated at 1000 mph and then descend to the required location, but we don't do that obviously, so please provide details of clockwise and counterclockwise plane travel whereby the atmosphere of the earth is accounted at a speed of 1000 mph. Seeming that this movement has never been detected.

actually the atmosphere not only keeps up with the surface of the earth(it is all one system) but it flows west to east a little faster than earths surface.

Watch a weather map evolve over a few days and there is a gradual trend evident.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

actually the atmosphere not only keeps up with the surface of the earth(it is all one system) but it flows west to east a little faster than earths surface.

Watch a weather map evolve over a few days and there is a gradual trend evident.

Check my previous post for information on all experiments proving a non-moving earth compared to your 'evidence' of a 'gradual trend' 'evolving' on a weather map???? Yep.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

so meteors can get there but not rockets


gotcha!

Good. Yea meteors and the moon have a long history would you believe.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Thanks for that..whatever you mean by it, I would not know, but to me it is the Star of David, which has been adopted by the Nation of Israel, which I believe still to be Gods chosen people.

No, the HEX is the star of Moloch of Babylon between the two rivers, the hexagram is one of the most powerful symbols used by witches and satanists for the casting of curses, conjuring demons and attracting satanic energy - it's always been known by Christians as the 'HEX' an evil and accursed symbol.

http://666decoded.blogspot.com/2009/02/hexagram.html

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

No, the HEX is the star of Moloch of Babylon between the two rivers, the hexagram is one of the most powerful symbols used by witches and satanists for the casting of curses, conjuring demons and attracting satanic energy - it's always been known by Christians as the 'HEX' an evil and accursed symbol.

http://666decoded.blogspot.com/2009/02/hexagram.html

Wrong link. applied for editing.

use this link instead.

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Unicusal-Hexagram

 

[MahogonySnail]

Planes account for rotation of the earth????? Please provide details, what movement of the atmosphere are they accounting for? Obviously we can easily establish that the surface of the earth is not moving without movement of the atmosphere otherwise we would fly by ascending directly up, waiting untiol the surface of the earth rotated at 1000 mph and then descend to the required location, but we don't do that obviously, so please provide details of clockwise and counterclockwise plane travel whereby the atmosphere of the earth is accounted at a speed of 1000 mph. Seeming that this movement has never been detected.

Sure I can provide details. All aircraft travelling long distances need to account for the earth rotation in their navigation calculations, otherwise they would miss their travel destination. That's mainly because the navigation sensors onboard are inertial. Gyrocompasses in inertial navigators can detect the earth rotation and must be corrected for. Ask any pilot - sometimes they reset their inertial navigators periodically for that reason. So, every inertial navigation system operating on commercial airliners today compensates for the centrifugal and coriolis forces due to earth rotation. GPS also accounts for it internally in the software, because by the time the satellite signals reach the earth the earth has already rotated.

Of course, aircraft navigation is not the only application which uses inertial systems, they are also used in many areas such as surveying, and every high quality system needs to accounts for earth rotation in their equations.

So, the effect of earth rotation is measureable in both inertial and GPS systems. I recommend that you read this part of this book, and learn something:

http://books.google.com.au/books?id...esnum=10&ved=0CCQQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

In fact the gyroscope has origins in Foucault's spinning disc experiments which proved the rotation of the earth, another useful book for you to read:

http://books.google.com.au/books?id...resnum=7&ved=0CBsQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=&f=false


The point is, that all inertial navigation systems account for earth rotation, and it can be measured by using gyroscopes, and verified that it changes with latitude, and most importanly - all these systems work successfully!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Sure I can provide details. All aircraft travelling long distances need to account for the earth rotation in their navigation calculations, otherwise they would miss their travel destination. That's mainly because the navigation sensors onboard are inertial. Gyrocompasses in inertial navigators can detect the earth rotation and must be corrected for. Ask any pilot - sometimes they reset their inertial navigators periodically for that reason. So, every inertial navigation system operating on commercial airliners today compensates for the centrifugal and coriolis forces due to earth rotation. GPS also accounts for it internally in the software, because by the time the satellite signals reach the earth the earth has already rotated.

Ahh in the software of course, theres are data entry in the computer, well that's even more interesting, for you I mean, because now you can measure how fast the plane is travelling, and seeming they have allowed for rotation of the earth as soon as they leave the ground with how fast the earth is allegedly rotating, and then you will see there is a problem, of course commercial airlines might find it hard to keep up with the speed of the earth! LOL.

In fact the gyroscope has origins in Foucault's spinning disc experiments which proved the rotation of the earth, another useful book for you to read:

Back to Foucault, havn't I already shown Foucault devices to be a fallacy?

 

[MahogonySnail]

If Foucault devices are a fallacy, then every inertial navigator which is based upon the principle of his spinning disc experiments wouldn't work.

Ahh in the software of course, theres are data entry in the computer, well that's even more interesting, for you I mean, because now you can measure how fast the plane is travelling, and seeming they have allowed for rotation of the earth as soon as they leave the ground with how fast the earth is allegedly rotating, and then you will see there is a problem, of course commercial airlines might find it hard to keep up with the speed of the earth! LOL.

It's all done internally to the equipment. Without the earth rotation corrections they wouldnt work well. Earth rotation is measureable and it's a fact. It has nothing to do with the speed of the earth but the orientation of the aircraft. Obviously you don't understand that the atmosphere rotates with the earth, that is why inertial navigators must account for earth rotation. You need to study up on inertial navigation your lack of knowledge on this issue is quite amusing.

 

[Graybeard]

No, the HEX is the star of Moloch of Babylon between the two rivers, the hexagram is one of the most powerful symbols used by witches and satanists for the casting of curses, conjuring demons and attracting satanic energy - it's always been known by Christians as the 'HEX' an evil and accursed symbol.

http://666decoded.blogspot.com/2009/02/hexagram.html

So are you saying that the Nation of Israel is evil?
I see there are many sites that link this " Star of David" to evil origins...All I know is Israel is Gods people from ancient Bible times and still is today, we as Christians are so interlinked with them most do not understand it. As this is my belief because the Word says so.. surely Israel could not have adopted such an evil sign to represent their Nation.

 

[Ancilla]

Not communication satellites, at high altitudes, low level satellites do because they are powered by rocket boosters to maintain their speed, until they are refueled or run out, if the run out of fuel or the engine stops they will fall to earth.

Do you guys (other than Cup, because he won't understand this, he'll say "How is that possible, that doesn't make sense to me?") want to know what they said on Discovery channel about how satellites stay in orbid? Ironically, Cup is partly right by saying that when the engine stops they will fall to the earth. Of course, the reality as you all know is that no satellites have engines because if they did they'd get lost in space since things with rockets need to be directed somehow. So if gravity is pulling them why don't they fall to the earth? Here's the crazy thing, they are in a continous state of falling towards the earth. So why don't they hit the earth??? Because the earth is rotating away from it. That, in most simplistic terms, is how sattalies stay in orbid. My friend explained it terms closer to what one might learn in astrophysics but that was a little to complicated for me.

 

[Ancilla]

Cup reminds me of a certain type of anti-Semite. I once read in a book written by a Rabbi, answering the questions of Jewish teenagers. One question was "Why do so many people hate Jews?" He said there are three main reasons: 1. People love to hate minority groups, especially for the purpose of scapegoating (I've seen examples of this on this site only with homosexuals instead of Jews). 2. Because Jews couldn't own land in some places they took up money lending, and Christians at the time weren't allowed to charge interest so they had monopoly on money lending so they could charge whatever interest they wanted to, and if you've studied how genocides break out, you'll know that a wealthy and/or powerful minority group is a very dangerous thing. 3. Because Christians have accused them of killing Jesus.

The first two I get (not justifiable, obviously, but it's consistent with other cases of genocide) but I just don't get the last one. I'd love to meet the third kind of anti-Semite and ask them why they care that the Jews killed Jesus (obviously even that is up for debate. Aside from the fact that the Bible said it was God's will for Jesus to be crucified, the blame obviously has to be shared with the Romans, if not the whole human race). If the answer is that they care about Jesus, the obvious flaw in that is that Jesus said love your enemies, so it's not possible to hate in the name of Jesus (and that would be using the Biblical use of the term "in the name.")

So, this reminds me of Cup. He says his view of the universe is truth because it's in the Bible. But why does he care if it's the Bible? When posters such as myself try to steer this discussion back to the Bible, he ignores them. People who love the Bible are always keen to relate things to the Bible, quote scripture and discuss what it says about the character of God. I'm not saying that Cup doesn't love the Bible, I can't say that because I don't know him, I just wish that his posts reflected that love of the Bible if that is the case.

Like, if I were to sum up 90% of what he's said on this thread it would be that because he doesn't understand astrophysics therefore it can't be true. Well I don't understand everything I believe to be true. I don't understand everything about God, but that's where faith comes in.

 

[Graybeard]

Ancilla, I do not understand Cup, I am trying to. For someone who appears to have vast knowledge of the Bible it is a mystery to me how in all his intellect can stubbornly deny concrete facts, he will not take a step back and look at the facts and examine them for their truths. So I really wonder if he indeed has the Spirit of Christ, I mean from majority of his posts I am of the opinion that he is so full of hatred for anyone that does not conform to his ideals and theology. His favorite verse is Joel 2....which speaks volumes.
and as for his post on my avatar:

Oh and 'Graybeard' I see you've adopted the Hex as your avatar, very appropriate for you.

that is not just an attack on me but on the Holy Spirit who is in me as well as on the Nation of Israel!...and we know what God says about those against Israel.
Sad...very sad

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Ancilla, I do not understand Cup, I am trying to. For someone who appears to have vast knowledge of the Bible it is a mystery to me how in all his intellect can stubbornly deny concrete facts, he will not take a step back and look at the facts and examine them for their truths. So I really wonder if he indeed has the Spirit of Christ, I mean from majority of his posts I am of the opinion that he is so full of hatred for anyone that does not conform to his ideals and theology. His favorite verse is Joel 2....which speaks volumes.
and as for his post on my avatar:

that is not just an attack on me but on the Holy Spirit who is in me as well as on the Nation of Israel!...and we know what God says about those against Israel.
Sad...very sad

'Graybeard'

Israel are a people, they all became Christians, they recieved new lands and a new name, and I have explained all of this in great detail in my thread 'How Israel became Christian', if you read that thread you may understand the Bible better, but for the moment you are under a spell, a hex, it takes a great deal of effort to break these spells and satanic indoctrinations, in some cases it takes years of intensive study, prayer and guidence with other Christians and the Holy Spirit will see to all of this if you indeed have been elected and chosen out of the world, for we hate the world and everything in it, God is love and God is truth, there is only one way out of this corrupt and rotting world of lies and deception, and that is through His word and His promise that He gave to those that are His. Remember this, if at all, for you must uderstand that the Adversary, the great Dragon is a supernatural being who has incredible power and intelligence, the vast majority of this world are in his grips, do not underestimate his power, his system has been erected over thousands of years, it is vast and extremely complex, however God's word is simple, simple truth that Satan tries to obscure, he covers it with lies, very complex and intricate lies.