The Law is perfect for converting the soul...
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There is no act, no law that can justify. Obedience is not an act of justification...
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
We are justified by Christ's shed blood, yet we should do those things God commands...
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
Obeying God is pleasing in His sight.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
We are justified by Christ's shed blood, yet we should do those things God commands...
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
Obeying God is pleasing in His sight.
(Scuba, you don't say if your hypothetical "Gentile" is saved or not in each situation,
which is fine cuz i don't think you're really making a point about how to help someone, anyway.
)
Psalm 119 is a beautiful chapter in our Bible.
but do we think of the Law as words on a page?
rules and regulations?
because i see it like this.
the Apostle John tells us right off in His Gospel
about this Being Who was with God in the beginning.
remember what John calls Him?
The Word.
when Ps. 119 says things like v. 89, Forever, O Lord, Your Word is settled in heaven
Whom is it talking about?
when it says If Your Law had not been my delight I would have perished in my affliction,
to Whom does it point?
likewise, in Ps. 19 v. 7-9, these speak to the Lord Jesus.
the whole Old Testament is all about Jesus!
(yeah, i know, somehow the church began teaching it's about the Hebrews, but it's not)
The Bible.
it's not about Jews v Christians.
it's not about Sabbaths or rules or requirements or our failures or our 'successes'.
it's Jesus Christ.
full stop.
which is fine cuz i don't think you're really making a point about how to help someone, anyway.
)Psalm 119 is a beautiful chapter in our Bible.
but do we think of the Law as words on a page?
rules and regulations?
because i see it like this.
the Apostle John tells us right off in His Gospel
about this Being Who was with God in the beginning.
remember what John calls Him?
The Word.
when Ps. 119 says things like v. 89, Forever, O Lord, Your Word is settled in heaven
Whom is it talking about?
when it says If Your Law had not been my delight I would have perished in my affliction,
to Whom does it point?
likewise, in Ps. 19 v. 7-9, these speak to the Lord Jesus.
the whole Old Testament is all about Jesus!
(yeah, i know, somehow the church began teaching it's about the Hebrews, but it's not)
The Bible.
it's not about Jews v Christians.
it's not about Sabbaths or rules or requirements or our failures or our 'successes'.
it's Jesus Christ.
full stop.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
In fact, Jesus Christ says this...
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
And the Great Commission He gave the disciples, then and now, is...
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Now verse 19 gets a lot of press but what about verse 20?
"observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you"
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
In fact, those who do not keep the Commandments won't be there...
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Heb 5:9 Christ is the author of salvation to all them that OBEY Him.
Rom 6:16 Paulsays one serves either one of two masters. You serve either;
1) sin unto death
or
2) obedience unto righteousness
I serve #2. Faith only advocates have eliminated #2 for themselves leaving them with not a very good master to be serving.
Rom 6:16 Paulsays one serves either one of two masters. You serve either;
1) sin unto death
or
2) obedience unto righteousness
I serve #2. Faith only advocates have eliminated #2 for themselves leaving them with not a very good master to be serving.
Rom 7:1-6 Paul says it is sinful for a Christian to try and keep both the law of Moses and Christ's NT law at the same time. It's like an adulteress keeping two husbands at the same time.
Paul says Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.....But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Christ took all the OT out of the way on the cross making me dead to that law so I can be married to Him and His NT gospel. Being free from that OT law where I can serve in newness of spirit. So the OT law is not something I obey or disobey, I am dead to that law. So obeying the OT law cannot make one a Christian, cannot justify, cannot make one righteous. Obeying Christ is what justifies, makes righteous.
Coffman Comm.
Newness of the spirit ... oldness of the letter ... These phrases refer to the life "in Christ Jesus" on the one hand, and to life under Moses' law on the other. "Oldness of the letter" is a reference to exactly the same thing that that was signified by the use of "in the flesh" in the preceding verse. Paul's various usage of the same phrase is again apparent in that. In this paragraph, "flesh" means the covenant of flesh, or the law of Moses; in Galatians 2:20, it means alive in the physical body; and in Romans 8:9, it has reference to living after the lusts of the flesh. Sanday's exegesis on the meaning of this verse is,
Paul says Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.....But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Christ took all the OT out of the way on the cross making me dead to that law so I can be married to Him and His NT gospel. Being free from that OT law where I can serve in newness of spirit. So the OT law is not something I obey or disobey, I am dead to that law. So obeying the OT law cannot make one a Christian, cannot justify, cannot make one righteous. Obeying Christ is what justifies, makes righteous.
Coffman Comm.
Newness of the spirit ... oldness of the letter ... These phrases refer to the life "in Christ Jesus" on the one hand, and to life under Moses' law on the other. "Oldness of the letter" is a reference to exactly the same thing that that was signified by the use of "in the flesh" in the preceding verse. Paul's various usage of the same phrase is again apparent in that. In this paragraph, "flesh" means the covenant of flesh, or the law of Moses; in Galatians 2:20, it means alive in the physical body; and in Romans 8:9, it has reference to living after the lusts of the flesh. Sanday's exegesis on the meaning of this verse is,
The true reading runs thus: "But as it is, we were (we are) delivered from the Law, having died to that wherein we were held. In the act of our baptism which united us to Christ, we obtained a release from our old tyrant, the Law."
Jesus is our sabbath rest that sin resides no more for it is written blessed is tge man that keepeth the sabbath and the Son of man that keepeth from doing evil on that day .meaning sin shall not have residence no more but that we shall rest from our own works wich is evil for it is an emnity against God but never the less the sabbath day is to be used for the gathering of the saints in instruction to edification of the complete body and to teach the gentiles the dead that do not know christ this is the purpose in the way the body is to utilize that day not just Sunday but that saturday be given presidence to our day of the gathering
The law was to point out sin and in the covenant of grace and truth sin is also the transgression but the law as moses was not perfect therefore the true law was instituted , the Law of Christ the very Law of the Spirit wich shall give life indeed because it is from Christ and the Spirit one with Christ that holiness and true righteousness be the rule of the kingdom , likewise in the law they used the law lightly and looked for loopholes much in the samewaytsamewaytodays disobedient believers use loopholes , wrongfull use of scriptures to fit their lifestyles and justify their wickedness ,lascivioussness etc
Funny, when one does not want to obey the Law, it becomes the Law of Moses, yet we read...
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 25:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 30:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
And we find that the Eternal (LORD) spoke to Moses about 268 times in the books of Exodus through Deuteronomy concerning the Law. Yet this is Moses Law?
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 25:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 30:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
And we find that the Eternal (LORD) spoke to Moses about 268 times in the books of Exodus through Deuteronomy concerning the Law. Yet this is Moses Law?
Rom 7 says no such thing...
Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Unless the man decides he doesn't want it to? I don't see that exception listed there.
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
And where in this passage does it say adultery is no longer the Law?
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Sin brings death...
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
We are freed from the penalty of the Law, death. The very next verse says this...
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
The Law defines sin. by the way, perhaps you can explain this verse for me...
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Unless the man decides he doesn't want it to? I don't see that exception listed there.
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
And where in this passage does it say adultery is no longer the Law?
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Sin brings death...
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
We are freed from the penalty of the Law, death. The very next verse says this...
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
The Law defines sin. by the way, perhaps you can explain this verse for me...
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
This is the argument that if we do not follow the law there will be chaos ,well in the spirit we uphold the law by the very fruit and walk in the spirit but not a law of carnal commandments but of an everlasting promise the first was temporary a shadow ,a schoolmaster to point out sin but the the walk in the spirit will keep us from commiting them sins if the law was perfect then christ would be in vain but its not s The law was not perfect yet but at the fullfillment of the law on the cross He took that Law and made it better that sin could not abound , bringing im rememberance many will take the broadway that leads to destruction few will walk the narrow path that lead to everlasting life ,will we live for ourselves or will we live for christg
And you have scripture that says this? You have scripture that contradicts...
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.