Why such hatred for the seventh day?

[StoneThrower]

I dont think there is, but there is a dislike for the cult of that name, that promotes it, as well as there false legalistic teaching that is frought with error from its very begining to today. I supose for those that are part of it, that they may think its directed at them, when its not, but at the false religion that are caught up in.

For those unfamilar with the False teachings og the SDA
Dr. James Kennedy said, "Viewers of this documentary will find it a most fascinating exploration into the cultic aspects of the teachings of Ellen G. White. Recommended for Christians who seek genuine answers based on the best scholarship and firm adherence to the truths of God's word."

[video=youtube;Fs_vZW__6eA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_vZW__6eA[/video]

 

[john832]

Ok then........so no more crybaby stuff...........IF folks enter into such discussions/debates/arguments.........and the name calling and condemnation begins.........don't start posting any whiney comments about how your feelings got hurt.........

(there...........that should settle that )

Psa 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

I'll be fine, no hurt feelings, whiney complaints here.

 

[RedTent]

You continually make this an issue of striving because you want to keep the Sabbath that God sanctified and made holy when He rested. God's rest has never ceased and we do not enter into that rest by keeping the Sabbath. That is a false concept of entering into rest. Part of entering into God's rest is believing and knowing that God created all things and nothing can be added to that work. The second part is believing and knowing that God rested from the work He had made. By keeping the Sabbath and doing no work does not make the Sabbath holy. The Sabbath is holy because God made it so and that Sabbath is God resting from all He made. We can not add to or enter into that rest or keep it holy by keeping the Sabbath by doing no work. If we do anything we are to enter into that Sabbath-rest by faith through our Lord Jesus Christ. The day is not significant it is God's rest that we are after. We can not obtain unto that rest by keeping the Sabbath, it is impossible.

Heb 4:1-11
Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still holds and is offered [today], let us be afraid [[a]to distrust it], lest any of you should[b]think he has come too late and has come short of [reaching] it.
2 For indeed we have had the glad tidings [Gospel of God] proclaimed to us just as truly as they [the Israelites of old did when the good news of deliverance from bondage came to them]; but the message they heard did not benefit them, because it was not mixed with faith (with [c]the leaning of the entire personality on God in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness) by those who heard it; [d]neither were they united in faith with the ones [Joshua and Caleb] who heard (did believe).
3 For we who have believed (adhered to and trusted in and relied on God) do enter that rest, [e]in accordance with His declaration that those [who did not believe] should not enter when He said, As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest; and this He said although [His] works had been completed and prepared [and waiting for all who would believe] from the foundation of the world.
4 For in a certain place He has said this about the seventh day: And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.
5 And [they forfeited their part in it, for] in this [passage] He said, They shall not enter My rest.
6 Seeing then that the promise remains over [from past times] for some to enter that rest, and that those who formerly were given the good news about it and the opportunity, failed to appropriate it and did not enter because of disobedience,
7 Again He sets a definite day, [a new] Today, [and gives another opportunity of securing that rest] saying through David after so long a time in the words already quoted, Today, if you would hear His voice and when you hear it, do not harden your hearts.
8 [This mention of a rest was not a reference to their entering into Canaan.] For if Joshua had given them rest, He [God] would not speak afterward about another day.
9 So then, there is still awaiting a full and complete Sabbath-rest reserved for the [true] people of God;
10 For he who has once entered [God’s] rest also has ceased from [the weariness and pain] of human labors, just as God rested from those labors[f]peculiarly His own.
11 Let us therefore be zealous and exert ourselves and strive diligently to enter that rest [of God, to know and experience it for ourselves], that no one may fall or perish by the same kind of unbelief and disobedience [into which those in the wilderness fell].

I think people keep limiting God. It is as if they can think of one principle of God only, God has many so one track minds simply cannot know God.

You enter into God's rest, your mind has understood that. You understand that you can be secure in His love, that you have grace, you can rest in the Lord. But somehow, your mind doesn't seem to be able to go on from that to accept the special day God created on the seventh, to understand that. Your resting in the Lord is wiping that out. Honestly, God is still God, God still acts and is with us, God still blessed us with a special day. Christ would never take that away from us, Christ was there at creation and was part of giving it to us in the first place.

 

[RedTent]

I dont think there is, but there is a dislike for the cult of that name, that promotes it, as well as there false legalistic teaching that is frought with error from its very begining to today. I supose for those that are part of it, that they may think its directed at them, when its not, but at the false religion that are caught up in.

I think Rehbein should be listened to, we need to follow what he says. The issue of Saturday vs Sunday worship should be discussed, I think, for it has some fundamental ideas about what God wants from us and how to follow Him. For instance what does God mean by resting in Him, how does legalism enter in, what happened on the seventh day of creation---fundamental things. CC is no place for exhibiting dislike and name calling. I spoke with two men from your "cult" and they believed Christ was God's Son and they went to Christ to be cleansed of their sin.

 

[RedTent]

The only curtain that I read about in my Bible was the tempel curtain that was torn from the top to the bottom and it seperated the Holy of Holies between God and man so now man come come directly to him without the intercession of a priest. Nothing to do with Jews and gentiles.

Actually you got something else backward it was the jews that rejected Him and then the gentiles were grafted in, but it was still part of Gods orignal plan and not a plan B.

The Jews were Gods chosen race to be a light to the world Jesus said in Matthew 15 that his Ministery was directed at the Jews, NOTE I said his ministery, NOT salvation. Pauls ministry was directed at the gentiles.

We are all one as partakers of salvation, but that dosent void Gods covenant promise to the Jews

When the curtain was torn, what you tell about happened, but as I have pointed out before, some close their mind to what God is telling us because we focus on one part of what scripture says. It also says the ground shook, and the bodies of the saints were raised. Those who knew God before Christ were Jews. …

Matt. 50And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. 51And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. 52The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;…

Also, the Old Testament is scripture, too, right from the breath of the Lord and counts. In fact it is important for our understanding, even of Christ. Before Paul took Christ to the gentiles, they had rejected God. Christ and His Father are One. The gentiles rejection was why God created the Jewish race in the first place, and the world at that time identified God as the Jewish God, so if the accepted God they became Jews. That is why the missionaries to the gentiles had such a rough time of it, telling them they didn't have to do that any more, the veil was split.

Otherwise we agree on what scripture tells us.

 

[StoneThrower]

I think Rehbein should be listened to, we need to follow what he says. .

Who’s that I follow the teachings of Christ?

For instance what does God mean by resting in Him,.

That unlike the nation of Israel who tried to work their way to heaven by keeping the law perfectly, we are no longer under works it was finished at the cross Christ did the ONLY work that is acceptable to God. Without Christ perfect righteousness imputed to our account not infused we cannot enter into heaven as only the perfect sinless son of Gods atonement is acceptable.

how does legalism enter in,

With all these you need to do this you need to keep the Sabbath, you need to keep the law that’s works base righteousness and trying to ad to salvation. Christianity is DONE it was Finished at the cross by Christ own proclamation.

what happened on the seventh day of creation

God rested from his work

CC is no place for exhibiting dislike and name calling.

Who’s doing that? No one was ever personally attacked by me ever, in any thread. That’s Juvenile! It’s also called Christian chat for a reason, and anything that is not Christian should be exposed as that. If a belief does not fit the description of being Orthodox Christianity than it is Heterodoxy mean outside the camp and not Christian and falls under the category of heresy.
We called in scripture to mark false teachers and avoid them. I have no problem debating different beliefs but I am not going to give them a free pass and call them a brother when they are not. The Bible says light and darkness are opposed to each other.

I spoke with two men from your "cult" and they believed Christ was God's Son and they went to Christ to be cleansed of their sin.

I think you’re confused. I am not part of a religious cult; my beliefs are 100% orthodox and Christian. I stand on the fundamentals of the faith and 2000 years of accepted Christian belief. Not some 19th century confused heresy. For the record Jesus Christ Is Fully God and Fully Man. He is the second person of the trinity the son of God and God He is coequal and coeternal.

Lastly the attonement of Christ is limited. If you have not repented and put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ alone. If you are not born again, you have no attonement for sin.
Those in the SDA have no assurannce of their salvation according to their own teaching. The Bible on the other hand says that the Holy Spirit within a believer testifies of that relationship.

So lets talk!

 

[2Thewaters]

If ye wIsa 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light,
as he is in the light,
we have fellowship one with another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.






Gen 4:7 If thou straighten up, be cheerful do right, shalt thou not be accepted?
and if thou doest not straighten up, sin lieth at the door.


1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1 John 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[2Thewaters]

Originally Posted by RedTent

For instance what does God mean by resting in Him,.

if you look it up he means KEEP MY SABBATH

abiding in him.

 

[2Thewaters]

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest (SABBATISMOS the seventh day rest of the people of God) to the people of God.


Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest (KATAPAUSIS - abiding in christ), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.




throughout the whole king james version when you see REST
then look it up

because the king james translators were SUNDAY KEEPERS

and the King was a SUNDAY KEEPER
and if they would have written we have to keep the SABBATH DAY they would have their heads cut off.

so they CHANGED THE BIBLE from SABBATISMO to REST so sunday keepers could go to sleep at night.


so
what we have to do is look up the words

the truth is

there REAMINAS A SABBATH SEVENTH DAY WORSHIP DAY TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD

look it up

it is in YOUR BIBLE


here are ALL THE VERSES where the KING JMAES took OUT the sabbath from the KING JAMES BIBLE and chnged it to SONETHING ELSE

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

en:G1722 . kairos:G2540 iesous:G2424 poreuomai:G4198 . . sabbaton:G4521 . dia:G1223 . sporimos:G4702 . . mathetes:G3101 . . peinao:G3983 . archomai:G756 . tillo:G5089 . stachus:G4719 . stachus:G4719 . . esthio:G2068 -Matthew 12:1.


. . . pharisaios:G5330 eido:G1492 . . epo:G2036 . . idou:G2400 . mathetes:G3101 poieo:G4160 . hos:G3739 . . exesti:G1832 . poieo:G4160 . . sabbaton:G4521 . -Matthew 12:2.


e:G2228 . . . anaginosko:G314 . . nomos:G3551 . . . . sabbaton:G4521 . . hiereus:G2409 . . hieron:G2411 bebeloo:G953 . sabbaton:G4521 . . anaitios:G338 -Matthew 12:5.


. . huios:G5207 . anthropos:G444 . kurios:G2962 kai:G2532 . . sabbaton:G4521 . -Matthew 12:8.


. idou:G2400 . . . anthropos:G444 . echo:G2192 . cheir:G5495 xeros:G3584 . . eperotao:G1905 . lego:G3004 . . exesti:G1832 . therapeuo:G2323 . . sabbaton:G4521 . . . . kategoreo:G2723 . -Matthew 12:10.


. . epo:G2036 . . tis:G5101 anthropos:G444 . . . ek:G1537 . . . echo:G2192 heis:G1520 probaton:G4263 . ean:G1437 . empipto:G1706 eis:G1519 . bothunos:G999 . . sabbaton:G4521 . . . . . krateo:G2902 . . . egeiro:G1453 . . -Matthew 12:11.


posos:G4214 posos:G4214 oun:G3767 . . anthropos:G444 diaphero:G1308 . . probaton:G4263 hoste:G5620 . . exesti:G1832 . poieo:G4160 kalos:G2573 . . sabbaton:G4521 . -Matthew 12:12.


. proseuchomai:G4336 . . humon:G5216 phuge:G5437 . . . . cheimon:G5494 mede:G3366 en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . -Matthew 24:20.


. . opse:G3796 . . sabbaton:G4521 . . epiphosko:G2020 . epiphosko:G2020 eis:G1519 . mia:G3391 . . . sabbaton:G4521 erchomai:G2064 maria:G3137 magdalene:G3094 . . allos:G243 maria:G3137 . theoreo:G2334 . taphos:G5028 -Matthew 28:1.


. . eisporeuomai:G1531 eis:G1519 kapernaoum:G2584 . eutheos:G2112 . . sabbaton:G4521 . . eiserchomai:G1525 eis:G1519 . sunagoge:G4864 . didasko:G1321 -Mark 1:21.


. . ginomai:G1096 . . . . paraporeuomai:G3899 dia:G1223 . sporimos:G4702 . en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . . . mathetes:G3101 archomai:G756 . . hodos:G3598 - poieo:G4160 . tillo:G5089 . stachus:G4719 . stachus:G4719 -Mark 2:23.


. . pharisaios:G5330 lego:G3004 . . ide:G2396 tis:G5101 poieo:G4160 . en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . . hos:G3739 . . exesti:G1832 -Mark 2:24.


. . lego:G3004 . . . sabbaton:G4521 . ginomai:G1096 . anthropos:G444 . . anthropos:G444 . . sabbaton:G4521 -Mark 2:27.


hoste:G5620 . huios:G5207 . anthropos:G444 . kurios:G2962 kai:G2532 . . sabbaton:G4521 -Mark 2:28.


. . paratereo:G3906 . ei:G1487 . . therapeuo:G2323 . . . sabbaton:G4521 . . . . kategoreo:G2723 . -Mark 3:2.


. . lego:G3004 . . . . exesti:G1832 . agathopoieo:G15 agathopoieo:G15 . . sabbaton:G4521 . e:G2228 . kakopoieo:G2554 kakopoieo:G2554 . sozo:G4982 psuche:G5590 e:G2228 . apokteino:G615 . . siopao:G4623 . siopao:G4623 -Mark 3:4.


. . . sabbaton:G4521 . . ginomai:G1096 . archomai:G756 . didasko:G1321 . . sunagoge:G4864 . polus:G4183 akouo:G191 . . ekplesso:G1605 lego:G3004 . pothen:G4159 . toutoi:G5129 . tauta:G5023 . . tis:G5101 sophia:G4678 . ho:G3588 . . didomi:G1325 . . . kai:G2532 toioutos:G5108 dunamis:G1411 . . ginomai:G1096 . . cheir:G5495 -Mark 6:2.


. . . sabbaton:G4521 . diaginomai:G1230 maria:G3137 magdalene:G3094 . maria:G3137 . . . iakobos:G2385 . salome:G4539 . agorazo:G59 . aroma:G759 . . . erchomai:G2064 . aleipho:G218 . -Mark 16:1.


. lian:G3029 hama:G260 - proi:G4404 . . . . mia:G3391 . . . sabbaton:G4521 . erchomai:G2064 . . mnemeion:G3419 . . anatello:G393 . . helios:G2246 -Mark 16:2.


de:G1161 . . . anistemi:G450 hama:G260 - proi:G4404 . protos:G4413 . . . sabbaton:G4521 . phaino:G5316 proton:G4412 . maria:G3137 magdalene:G3094 . . hos:G3739 . . ekballo:G1544 hepta:G2033 daimonion:G1140 -Mark 16:9.


. . erchomai:G2064 . nazareth:G3478 hou:G3757 . . . trepho:G5142 . . . . ho:G3588 - etho:G1486 . . eiserchomai:G1525 eis:G1519 . sunagoge:G4864 en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 hemera:G2250 . anistemi:G450 . . . anaginosko:G314 -Luke 4:16.


. katerchomai:G2718 katerchomai:G2718 . kapernaoum:G2584 . polis:G4172 . galilaia:G1056 . en:G2258 - didasko:G1321 . en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . -Luke 4:31.


. . ginomai:G1096 . . en:G1722 . deuteroprotos:G1207 sabbaton:G4521 deuteroprotos:G1207 . deuteroprotos:G1207 . . diaporeuomai:G1279 dia:G1223 . sporimos:G4702 . . . mathetes:G3101 tillo:G5089 . stachus:G4719 . stachus:G4719 . . esthio:G2068 psocho:G5597 . . . cheir:G5495 -Luke 6:1.


. tis:G5100 . . pharisaios:G5330 epo:G2036 . . tis:G5101 poieo:G4160 . . hos:G3739 . . exesti:G1832 . poieo:G4160 en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . -Luke 6:2.


. . lego:G3004 . . . . huios:G5207 . anthropos:G444 . kurios:G2962 kai:G2532 . . sabbaton:G4521 -Luke 6:5.


. . ginomai:G1096 . . kai:G2532 en:G1722 heteros:G2087 sabbaton:G4521 . . eiserchomai:G1525 eis:G1519 . sunagoge:G4864 . didasko:G1321 . ekei:G1563 . . anthropos:G444 kai:G2532 - autos:G846 dexios:G1188 cheir:G5495 . xeros:G3584 -Luke 6:6.


. . grammateus:G1122 . pharisaios:G5330 paratereo:G3906 . ei:G1487 . . therapeuo:G2323 en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . . . . heurisko:G2147 . kategoria:G2724 . . -Luke 6:7.


oun:G3767 epo:G2036 iesous:G2424 . . . . eperotao:G1905 . tis:G5100 . . . exesti:G1832 . . sabbaton:G4521 . . agathopoieo:G15 agathopoieo:G15 e:G2228 . kakopoieo:G2554 kakopoieo:G2554 . sozo:G4982 psuche:G5590 e:G2228 . apollumi:G622 . -Luke 6:9.


. . . didasko:G1321 . mia:G3391 . . sunagoge:G4864 en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 -Luke 13:10.


. . archisunagogos:G752 . . archisunagogos:G752 apokrinomai:G611 . aganakteo:G23 hoti:G3754 . iesous:G2424 . therapeuo:G2323 . . sabbaton:G4521 . . lego:G3004 . . ochlos:G3793 . . hex:G1803 hemera:G2250 . hos:G3739 . dei:G1163 . ergazomai:G2038 . . oun:G3767 erchomai:G2064 . . therapeuo:G2323 . . . . sabbaton:G4521 hemera:G2250 -Luke 13:14.


. kurios:G2962 oun:G3767 apokrinomai:G611 . . epo:G2036 . hupokrites:G5273 . . hekastos:G1538 . . . . . sabbaton:G4521 luo:G3089 . bous:G1016 e:G2228 . onos:G3688 . . phatne:G5336 . apago:G520 . apago:G520 . potizo:G4222 -Luke 13:15.


. dei:G1163 . tautei:G5026 gune:G1135 on:G5607 . thugater:G2364 . abraam:G11 hos:G3739 satanas:G4567 . deo:G1210 idou:G2400 . deka:G1176 - kai:G2532 - okto:G3638 etos:G2094 . luo:G3089 . toutou:G5127 desmon:G1199 . . sabbaton:G4521 hemera:G2250 -Luke 13:16.


. . ginomai:G1096 . . . . erchomai:G2064 eis:G1519 . oikos:G3624 . tis:G5100 . . archon:G758 pharisaios:G5330 . phago:G5315 artos:G740 . . sabbaton:G4521 . . . paratereo:G3906 . -Luke 14:1.


. iesous:G2424 apokrinomai:G611 epo:G2036 . . nomikos:G3544 . pharisaios:G5330 lego:G3004 . . exesti:G1832 . therapeuo:G2323 . . sabbaton:G4521 . -Luke 14:3.


. apokrinomai:G611 . epo:G2036 tis:G5101 . . . . . onos:G3688 e:G2228 . bous:G1016 empipto:G1706 eis:G1519 . phrear:G5421 . . . eutheos:G2112 anaspao:G385 . . en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 hemera:G2250 -Luke 14:5.


. nesteuo:G3522 dis:G1364 . . sabbaton:G4521 . . apodekatoo:G586 . pas:G3956 . . ktaomai:G2932 -Luke 18:12.


. . hemera:G2250 . . paraskeue:G3904 . . sabbaton:G4521 epiphosko:G2020 epiphosko:G2020 -Luke 23:54.


. . hupostrepho:G5290 . hetoimazo:G2090 aroma:G759 . muron:G3464 . hesuchazo:G2270 . sabbaton:G4521 . kata:G2596 . . entole:G1785 -Luke 23:56.


kai:G2532 . . mia:G3391 . . . sabbaton:G4521 . orthros:G3722 . . . . erchomai:G2064 . . mnema:G3418 phero:G5342 . aroma:G759 hos:G3739 . . hetoimazo:G2090 . . . . . -Luke 24:1.


. eutheos:G2112 . anthropos:G444 . ginomai:G1096 hugies:G5199 . airo:G142 . . krabbatos:G2895 . peripateo:G4043 . en:G1722 . ekeinos:G1565 hemera:G2250 . . sabbaton:G4521 -John 5:9.


. ioudaios:G2453 oun:G3767 lego:G3004 . . . . therapeuo:G2323 . . . sabbaton:G4521 . . . . exesti:G1832 . . . airo:G142 . krabbatos:G2895 -John 5:10.


. dia:G1223 - touto:G5124 . . ioudaios:G2453 dioko:G1377 iesous:G2424 . zeteo:G2212 . apokteino:G615 . hoti:G3754 . . poieo:G4160 tauta:G5023 . en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . -John 5:16.


dia:G1223 - touto:G5124 . ioudaios:G2453 zeteo:G2212 . mallon:G3123 . apokteino:G615 . hoti:G3754 . . monon:G3440 . luo:G3089 . sabbaton:G4521 . lego:G3004 kai:G2532 . theos:G2316 . . pater:G3962 poieo:G4160 heautou:G1438 isos:G2470 . theos:G2316 -John 5:18.


moseus:G3475 dia:G1223 - touto:G5124 didomi:G1325 . . peritome:G4061 . hoti:G3754 . . . moseus:G3475 . . . pater:G3962 . . en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . peritemno:G4059 . anthropos:G444 -John 7:22.


ei:G1487 . anthropos:G444 en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . lambano:G2983 peritome:G4061 . . nomos:G3551 . moseus:G3475 . . . luo:G3089 . . cholao:G5520 . . hoti:G3754 . echo:G2192 poieo:G4160 . anthropos:G444 holos:G3650 holos:G3650 hugies:G5199 en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . -John 7:23.


. . . . sabbaton:G4521 . hote:G3753 iesous:G2424 poieo:G4160 . pelos:G4081 . anoigo:G455 . ophthalmos:G3788 -John 9:14.


oun:G3767 lego:G3004 tis:G5100 . . pharisaios:G5330 houtos:G3778 anthropos:G444 . . . theos:G2316 hoti:G3754 . tereo:G5083 . . sabbaton:G4521 . allos:G243 lego:G3004 pos:G4459 dunamai:G1410 . anthropos:G444 . . . hamartolos:G268 poieo:G4160 toioutos:G5108 semeion:G4592 . . . . schisma:G4978 en:G1722 . -John 9:16.


. ioudaios:G2453 oun:G3767 epei:G1893 . . . paraskeue:G3904 . . soma:G4983 . . meno:G3306 . . stauros:G4716 en:G1722 . sabbaton:G4521 . . . sabbaton:G4521 . . . megas:G3173 . erotao:G2065 pilatos:G4091 . . skelos:G4628 . . katagnumi:G2608 . . . . . airo:G142 . -John 19:31.


. mia:G3391 . . . sabbaton:G4521 erchomai:G2064 maria:G3137 magdalene:G3094 proi:G4404 . . . eti:G2089 skotia:G4653 . . mnemeion:G3419 . blepo:G991 . lithos:G3037 airo:G142 . . . mnemeion:G3419 -John 20:1.


oun:G3767 . ekeinos:G1565 hemera:G2250 . opsios:G3798 . . mia:G3391 hemera:G2250 . . sabbaton:G4521 . . thura:G2374 . kleio:G2808 hopou:G3699 . mathetes:G3101 . sunago:G4863 . phobos:G5401 . . ioudaios:G2453 erchomai:G2064 iesous:G2424 . histemi:G2476 . . mesos:G3319 . lego:G3004 . . eirene:G1515 . . . -John 20:19.


tote:G5119 hupostrepho:G5290 . . hierousalem:G2419 . . oros:G3735 kaleo:G2564 elaion:G1638 hos:G3739 . . hierousalem:G2419 . sabbaton:G4521 . hodos:G3598 -Acts 1:12.


. . . dierchomai:G1330 . perge:G4011 . paraginomai:G3854 . antiocheia:G490 . pisidia:G4099 . eiserchomai:G1525 eis:G1519 . sunagoge:G4864 . . sabbaton:G4521 hemera:G2250 . kathizo:G2523 kathizo:G2523 -Acts 13:14.


. . . katoikeo:G2730 en:G1722 hierousalem:G2419 . . archon:G758 . . agnoeo:G50 . . kai:G2532 . . phone:G5456 . . prophetes:G4396 ho:G3588 . anaginosko:G314 pas:G3956 sabbaton:G4521 . . . pleroo:G4137 . . krino:G2919 . -Acts 13:27.


. . . ioudaios:G2453 . exeimi:G1826 . . . sunagoge:G4864 . ethnos:G1484 parakaleo:G3870 . tauta:G5023 rhema:G4487 . . laleo:G2980 . . . metaxu:G3342 sabbaton:G4521 -Acts 13:42.


. . erchomai:G2064 sabbaton:G4521 . sunago:G4863 schedon:G4975 . pas:G3956 polis:G4172 sunago:G4863 . akouo:G191 . logos:G3056 . theos:G2316 -Acts 13:44.


. moseus:G3475 . archaios:G744 genea:G1074 echo:G2192 . kata:G2596 polis:G4172 . . kerusso:G2784 . . anaginosko:G314 . . sunagoge:G4864 pas:G3956 sabbaton:G4521 . -Acts 15:21.


. . . sabbaton:G4521 . exerchomai:G1831 . . . polis:G4172 . . potamos:G4215 para:G3844 hou:G3757 proseuche:G4335 . nomizo:G3543 . . einai:G1511 . . kathizo:G2523 kathizo:G2523 . laleo:G2980 . . gune:G1135 . sunerchomai:G4905 . -Acts 16:13.


. paulos:G3972 . . etho:G1486 . eiserchomai:G1525 . . . . treis:G5140 sabbaton:G4521 . dialegomai:G1256 . . . . . graphe:G1124 -Acts 17:2.


. . dialegomai:G1256 . . sunagoge:G4864 pas:G3956 sabbaton:G4521 . peitho:G3982 . ioudaios:G2453 . . hellen:G1672 -Acts 18:4.


. . . mia:G3391 . . . sabbaton:G4521 . . mathetes:G3101 sunago:G4863 sunago:G4863 . klao:G2806 artos:G740 paulos:G3972 dialegomai:G1256 . . mello:G3195 . exeimi:G1826 . . epaurion:G1887 . parateino:G3905 . logos:G3056 mechri:G3360 mesonuktion:G3317 -Acts 20:7.


. . mia:G3391 . . . sabbaton:G4521 . hekastos:G1538 . . . tithemi:G5087 . . . thesaurizo:G2343 . . . euodoo:G2137 . . . . me:G3361 logia:G3048 hotan:G3752 . erchomai:G2064 -1 Corinthians 16:2.


. me:G3361 tis:G5100 oun:G3767 krino:G2919 . . brosis:G1035 e:G2228 . posis:G4213 e:G2228 . meros:G3313 . . heorte:G1859 e:G2228 . . noumenia:G3561 noumenia:G3561 e:G2228 . . sabbaton:G4521 . -Colossians 2:16.


. apoleipo:G620 ara:G686 . sabbatismos:G4520 . . laos:G2992 . theos:G2316 -Hebrews 4:9.

 

[BradC]

I know I will..........
I observe the Seventh Day, no doctrine, no theology, just what I get from the Word.

I will always defend the family, be they oberving Saturday or Sunday. I will always put what I believe I know to be true from the Word concerning this particular subject; it is my due to Yahweh. It is the least I may do.

You observe the Seventh Day and another observes everyday alike. Do you enter into rest by observing the Seventh Day? if so, do you enter into rest each time you observe the Seventh Day? What do you get from the word when you read Heb 4? Heb 4 is just as inspired by the Spirit as any of the gospels.

 

[chubbena]

You observe the Seventh Day and another observes everyday alike. Do you enter into rest by observing the Seventh Day? if so, do you enter into rest each time you observe the Seventh Day? What do you get from the word when you read Heb 4? Heb 4 is just as inspired by the Spirit as any of the gospels.

You have probably missed post#83.

 

[BradC]

You have probably missed post#83.

It is the interpretation that is off, not the translation. There are those who want to keep the Sabbath so bad that they will do and say anything just to keep it. They want to be mature about it and not seem childish. They want to make sure that we don't leave out any of the OT as NT believers and that includes more than keeping just the 10 commandments. Again I ask all of you...

You observe the Seventh Day and another observes everyday alike. Do you enter into rest by observing the Seventh Day? if so, do you enter into rest each time you observe the Seventh Day? What do you get from the word when you read Heb 4 that is just as inspired by the Spirit as any of the gospels.

Are any of you willing to give up keeping the Sabbath if by keeping the Sabbath you put a stumbling block in your brother's way? What about it Red Tent, JaumeJ and some others? You might be fully persuaded in your own mind that you are obligated to keep the Sabbath according to the commandment but is your brother? Is it better that we give up what is not needed then to put a stumbling block and obstacle in the way of a brother who is weak? What benefit of righteousness do you get from keeping the Sabbath?

 

[dcontroversal]

I do notice that just about every one of the groups that say they should worship every day, worship in the first day of the week.

I could also say that I notice that everybody who (chokes) on the 7th day refuses to acknowledge that the disciples met the first day of the week......

Where is the command to worship God on the Sabbath found? And if you lived a (Sabbath days) journey away from the TEMPLE which was the ONLY PLACE to worship God in the O.T. would it be ok to for you to break the law to walk far enough to worship in the temple....?

 

[kennethcadwell]

No it would not be for that was based on the old testament covenant. The new testament says to go to your place of worship, and were two or more are gathered I am there. If your place of worship is held at your house and you have others come over a hold that worship with you, you are still doing what is told to do.

Nowhere does it say in the new testament you have to go to the building the denomination you belong to hold mass. There is nothing wrong with that, but if you are non-denominational like I am I do not hold myself accountable to a denomination. I hold myself to the Lord our God, and in turn have others come over to hear the word and worship.

I could also say that I notice that everybody who (chokes) on the 7th day refuses to acknowledge that the disciples met the first day of the week......

Where is the command to worship God on the Sabbath found? And if you lived a (Sabbath days) journey away from the TEMPLE which was the ONLY PLACE to worship God in the O.T. would it be ok to for you to break the law to walk far enough to worship in the temple....?

 

[Kerry]

Tell me what does keeping Sabbath do for you? Doe's it make you feel good or is it an accomplishment, IDK what doe's it do?

 

[Karraster]

Historically speaking, has any other commandment drawn so much fire? Sabbath is made for man/mankind. Whoever delights in sabbath, and remembers it as sanctified and holy to Almighty can expect this promise, and it is significant-To “ride upon the high places of the earth” means to be elevated and promoted by blessings that only God can provide.

 

[chubbena]

It is the interpretation that is off, not the translation. There are those who want to keep the Sabbath so bad that they will do and say anything just to keep it. They want to be mature about it and not seem childish. They want to make sure that we don't leave out any of the OT as NT believers and that includes more than keeping just the 10 commandments. Again I ask all of you...

You observe the Seventh Day and another observes everyday alike. Do you enter into rest by observing the Seventh Day? if so, do you enter into rest each time you observe the Seventh Day? What do you get from the word when you read Heb 4 that is just as inspired by the Spirit as any of the gospels.

Are any of you willing to give up keeping the Sabbath if by keeping the Sabbath you put a stumbling block in your brother's way? What about it Red Tent, JaumeJ and some others? You might be fully persuaded in your own mind that you are obligated to keep the Sabbath according to the commandment but is your brother? Is it better that we give up what is not needed then to put a stumbling block and obstacle in the way of a brother who is weak? What benefit of righteousness do you get from keeping the Sabbath?

There is rest and there is rest. Do you get rest on your day off - assuming you have to work for a living? Or are you able to work 24/7? Do you take a vacation at all?

 

[JaumeJ]

Reading in the Old Testament we find provisions were made for those who could not come to the Temple in Jerusalem for feast days and Sabbaths. The entire nation of Israel never came at one time to the Temple on Shabbat.

As for the day of worship, the Sabbath was not given specifically as a day to come to the Temple to worship, it was given to mankind as a day of rest with Yahweh. It is to be kept holy, that is separate from ordinary work days.

YIeshua teaches us it is always right to do good on the Sabbath, and He introduced mercy into the law showing us that when the law calls for a death sentence, it may be overlooked, and so with many other laws.

The Sabbath, above all days, contains mercy. Must you work on the Seventh Day in order to provide for yourself or yourself and your family, praise Yahweh. Keep the Seventh Day in your heart, you are family in Yeshua, and there is no sin in doing good.

When reading any of the law, remember, Yeshua refounded it on mercy, and you will know which laaws are good, and still good to follow, with no fear of the curse, for now, for us it has been established on mercy.

Praise Yahweh, and do not teach against any of His commandments. This is not spiritually healthy, for Yeshua teaches us not to do this.

No it would not be for that was based on the old testament covenant. The new testament says to go to your place of worship, and were two or more are gathered I am there. If your place of worship is held at your house and you have others come over a hold that worship with you, you are still doing what is told to do.

Nowhere does it say in the new testament you have to go to the building the denomination you belong to hold mass. There is nothing wrong with that, but if you are non-denominational like I am I do not hold myself accountable to a denomination. I hold myself to the Lord our God, and in turn have others come over to hear the word and worship.

 

[john832]

It is the interpretation that is off, not the translation. There are those who want to keep the Sabbath so bad that they will do and say anything just to keep it. They want to be mature about it and not seem childish. They want to make sure that we don't leave out any of the OT as NT believers and that includes more than keeping just the 10 commandments. Again I ask all of you...

So, if we find in word for word transliterations (Diaglott), lexicons and other sources that the word really means Sabbath, the translation is wrong because it doesn't agree with what you WISH it said?

You observe the Seventh Day and another observes everyday alike. Do you enter into rest by observing the Seventh Day? if so, do you enter into rest each time you observe the Seventh Day? What do you get from the word when you read Heb 4 that is just as inspired by the Spirit as any of the gospels.

I do not enter that rest by keeping the Sabbath and you don't enter by not keeping the Sabbath. That rest, the Millennium, is not even here yet. The Sabbath is the shadow, the type, the forerunner of the Millennium.

Are any of you willing to give up keeping the Sabbath if by keeping the Sabbath you put a stumbling block in your brother's way? What about it Red Tent, JaumeJ and some others? You might be fully persuaded in your own mind that you are obligated to keep the Sabbath according to the commandment but is your brother? Is it better that we give up what is not needed then to put a stumbling block and obstacle in the way of a brother who is weak? What benefit of righteousness do you get from keeping the Sabbath?

Are you sure you really believe what you wrote here? Let's substitute another Commandment here and see if you stick by what you put in print...

Are any of you willing to give up not murdering if by not murdering you put a stumbling block in your brother's way? What about it Red Tent, JaumeJ and some others? You might be fully persuaded in your own mind that you are obligated not to murder according to the commandment but is your brother? Is it better that we give up what is not needed then to put a stumbling block and obstacle in the way of a brother who is weak? What benefit of righteousness do you get from not murdering?

So, how about it? Wanna substitute adultery or lying in your statement? Or is it just the fourth Commandment that you will not keep?

 

[john832]

I could also say that I notice that everybody who (chokes) on the 7th day refuses to acknowledge that the disciples met the first day of the week......

Where is the command to worship God on the Sabbath found? And if you lived a (Sabbath days) journey away from the TEMPLE which was the ONLY PLACE to worship God in the O.T. would it be ok to for you to break the law to walk far enough to worship in the temple....?

I have beaten that one to death. The scripture does not say that they kept the 1st day of the week as the day of worship.

As for how far one could walk on the Sabbath, can you post the scripture that puts the distance limitation on it? I do know where the Pharisees got "a Sabbath day's journey" from, do you?