ONCE saved always saved!.

[notuptome]

It is mentioned as both in scripture.
Not Helpful Colossians 3:23-24

Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ.

Matthew 10:42
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”

This passage does not say that salvation is the reward in fact the reward is a crown of righteousness. You are confusing sanctification with salvation. After we become saved we begin the life long process of sanctification. The race, the sojourn through this world is our path of sanctification. We and will stumble and fail in this journey but we are always saved and will without any doubt enter into eternal life with Christ. Believers do not stand before the great white throne judgment but all believers do appear before the judgment seat of Christ. It is here where believers give an account of what they have done since they have been saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

What if a Christian commits adultery, caught cheating on his/her spouse. Can that Christian NOT repent of this sin and still be saved? No, Lk 13:3,5; 1 Cor 6:9.

Yes. 1 Corinthians 5

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

Yes. 1 Corinthians 5

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Then you've created a contradiction among verses.

 

[apostolic862004]

Who has true faith and would ever stop believing? I was a prodigal son, but I never stopped believing, even in my deepest sin, the conviction of God and gilt overcame me, until I finally came back. You act as if one can,, But you yourself can not??

Eternally, what did you leave from? The church? Well, we all leave the church when service is over. According to you, you would have gone to heaven even when you were in your deepest sin because you believed right? Well according to James 2:19 the devils believe also. Are they going to be saved too?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternally, what did you leave from? The church? Well, we all leave the church when service is over. According to you, you would have gone to heaven even when you were in your deepest sin because you believed right? Well according to James 2:19 the devils believe also. Are they going to be saved too?

why do you people use james? James said no work, zero zip nada. He is not talking to people who was in church for years (as I was) did many works for God. then due to a circumstance in my life lost some faith and walked away.

Try some other passage, James does not support your theory, and yes I would still be saved, because jesus left the flock. came and looked for me. I knew his voice and followed.

God will never depart from us, even when we try to walk away from him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you just keep playing with words pal

the one playing with words is you my friend.

wish washy faith can save us, but then when it reveals itself as no faith, we lose salvation

God partially saves us, because it is not secure

when are you going to man up and admit to yourself you are trusting in yourself and your ability to walk right with God and not fall away, And not God himself?

 

[apostolic862004]

The answer to both questions is no. But the clear implication is that if we continue in sin, grace will abound, and if we continue to sin, we are still under grace.

What does this mean? God's grace truly is grace, it truly does cover us no matter what we do, now or in the future. Should we sin? No! Can we sin and still be under grace? Unequivocally, undoubtably, and irrevocably YES.

Scripture contradicts you.

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
:10 - Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
:11 - And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

People that are committing sin are going to hell. When we receive the Holy Ghost, we are washed, sanctified, and justified FROM our sins. Thing are what we USED to do. We don't do them anymore. If you continue to do them, you're going to hell. Plain and simple. Have you never read the scriptures?

1 John 3:5 - And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 - Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 - He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 - In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother

Lets put these verses in context. The "eth' on the end of words in the king james english means "to continue." That means people who continue sinning are of the devil, not of God, hath not seen God, and do not know God. Now scripture is calling you a liar because you are saying that people who continue in sin are still under the grace of God. You are doing exactly like Jude 1:4 says. You are turning the grace of God into lasciviousness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OSAS is nothing more than the wide road to make money
thats it.

there is definitely a wide road, and a narrow road
OSAS is the wide road.

na,

osas is the narrow road.

there are so many legalistic churches with a numerous amount of sacraments or works people must do to get saved or stay sayd, then add in the easy believism group that think all we need to do is believe and we are good to go.. thats the wide gate..

people in here prove how hard it is to sit still and just trust God to save you inspite of yourself.. We are a few in number..

 

[TaylorTG]

What if a Christian commits adultery, caught cheating on his/her spouse. Can that Christian NOT repent of this sin and still be saved? No, Lk 13:3,5; 1 Cor 6:9.

Yes. 1 Corinthians 5

For the cause of Christ
Roger

.....Umm. lol?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is mentioned as both in scripture.
Not Helpful Colossians 3:23-24

Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ.

Matthew 10:42
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”

neither one of those passages are talking about eternal life. or being saved.

they talk about what a porson who is already saved either earns as a reward or loses..

A gift can not be a reward, a reward can not be a gift. they are not in the same ballpark. they are opposite of each other.

One is paid for by the giver to give to the other, one is paid for by the one trying to earn the reward himself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree with you here and therein is the real danger if one remains in that position...
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Near to being cursed, and being cursed are not the same,

If one lost salvation they would be cursed.

if one loses reward (wood hay straw) they are near to being cursed, Yet still saved, as paul saiys, even though as through fire. He gets out of the burning house wiht nothing by the clothes on his back. But he is still alive.

 

[apostolic862004]

why do you people use james? James said no work, zero zip nada. He is not talking to people who was in church for years (as I was) did many works for God. then due to a circumstance in my life lost some faith and walked away.

Try some other passage, James does not support your theory, and yes I would still be saved, because jesus left the flock. came and looked for me. I knew his voice and followed.

God will never depart from us, even when we try to walk away from him.

Now it is very clear why you believe once saved always saved. You are trying to justify your own personal experience. Instead of being man enough to admit that you failed God and became disobedient and would have been lost, you want to comfort yourself by saying that you were saved and could never lose salvation. But your wrong. Truth is truth even when it comes to our own personal circumstances.

And by the way, your statement about james saying no work is absolutely absurd. He wrote a whole chapter about NEEDING works to prove your faith. You OSAS guys say that the way we prove our faith is whether we walk away or not. You say if someone walks away, they never had faith. James says we prove our faith by our works. So you are saying James is a liar. Well, I believe James over you any day. And by your definition, you never had faith because you walked away.

 

[apostolic862004]

Originally Posted by SeaBass

What if a Christian commits adultery, caught cheating on his/her spouse. Can that Christian NOT repent of this sin and still be saved? No, Lk 13:3,5; 1 Cor 6:9.



Yes. 1 Corinthians 5

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Absolute nonsense. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 says you're wrong. So does 1 John chapter 3. And Luke 13:3. And Luke 13:5. And Ezekiel chapter 18.

 

[newbirth]

Who has true faith and would ever stop believing? I was a prodigal son, but I never stopped believing, even in my deepest sin, the conviction of God and gilt overcame me, until I finally came back. You act as if one can,, But you yourself can not??

Again, you need to be continuous, You can;t claim you will not because you know. then claim someone else can. even though they know.



Nope/ it says they were never saved, because they never had faith,

you are twisting scripture to suit your doctrine....you make up this thing about true faith so there is false faith.
Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Your position was , you were lure away by your own lust and enticed, you doubted and erred and walked in sin your faith was dead.
James 1:13-15
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


Therefore you were dead back in perdition. But the word of God cannot die the seed remains in one even at that point. The power to become a son being still available to you. Somewhere along the line you cried out to God because you were not comfortable in sin. the goodness(Grace) of God brought you back to the place of repentance. He renewed your(belief) faith gave you another chance (although some say he is not a chance giver) You could have easily continued doubting but you made a choice...Do you think you were saved all through you sinful experience bearing fruit of unrighteousness, grieving the Holy spirit, neglecting the salvation of God. If you were save there. Why did you return to him? To become truly saved?

until I finally came back

you believe you came back on your own?I know you don't believe that

but I never stopped believing, even in my deepest sin,

you did stop believing that is what causes us to sin,what you were feeling was the spirit of God grieving.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now it is very clear why you believe once saved always saved. You are trying to justify your own personal experience.

No. A person who believes in eternal security based on faith in Christ do not justify their own experience, their own experience tells them how unworthy they are.

It is those who reject OSAS who justify their own experience (works)

Instead of being man enough to admit that you failed God and became disobedient and would have been lost,

I did fail God. I did leave, But God never left me. He promised he never would. It was his chastening that brought me back , as scripture says, he who is not chastened are illegitimate and not true children. It was the chastening and conviction of God whicvh brought me back and proved I was still his.

you want to comfort yourself by saying that you were saved and could never lose salvation.

Na, I could never comfort myself. all I have is filthy rags to offer God. I can never be conforted in my own skin. This is something you workers can never comprehend, You have a false comfort because you think you are righteous., which is a false sense of security, which is no security at all. which is why you do not believe in eternal security, You can never believe in this if your faith is in yourself, it is impossible.

But your wrong. Truth is truth even when it comes to our own personal circumstances.

No, Your wrong.

And by the way, your statement about james saying no work is absolutely absurd. He wrote a whole chapter about NEEDING works to prove your faith. You OSAS guys say that the way we prove our faith is whether we walk away or not. You say if someone walks away, they never had faith. James says we prove our faith by our works. So you are saying James is a liar. Well, I believe James over you any day. And by your definition, you never had faith because you walked away.

obsurd?

Yes, he did write a whole book to tell you to test your faith in different areas of your life.

But that one section you all always use is speaking about eternal justification.

James says clearly. can a man who claims he has faith. yet has NO WORK.

How can you interpret NO WORK as to saying he had some works? Any works. You cant, You would have to interpret how many works come from true faith to a dead faith. You just can not do it.

Again, Your taking a passage out of context which does not support you. Thats dangerous.

 

[Fishbait]

I was giving an example from a a person perspective attitude. I think you may have to read the OP again, to get the full adjust of what I'm saying. There are lots of people who misunderstands this concept and readings from teh bible. You can see clearly that in people's lives that the enemy has twisted the truth about Once saved, always saved melarky.

The person I was saying about in the first part of the op. Was a typical persons attitude. there was no specific person. It was said as an example.

I undestand its hard to read emotions through text or messages. and thats why people read things wrongly.
and Finally it was not a question. but a statement, hence no question mark at the end of the title. Which is another fail in people when reading something. Now I'm not saying that you misread it and stuff like that. but perhaps if you re-read the op, hopefully you will see what I was saying.

God bless

I got that. Thank you and God bless.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you are twisting scripture to suit your doctrine....you make up this thing about true faith so there is false faith.
Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Your position was , you were lure away by your own lust and enticed, you doubted and erred and walked in sin your faith was dead.
James 1:13-15
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


Therefore you were dead back in perdition. But the word of God cannot die the seed remains in one even at that point. The power to become a son being still available to you. Somewhere along the line you cried out to God because you were not comfortable in sin. the goodness(Grace) of God brought you back to the place of repentance. He renewed your(belief) faith gave you another chance (although some say he is not a chance giver) You could have easily continued doubting but you made a choice...Do you think you were saved all through you sinful experience bearing fruit of unrighteousness, grieving the Holy spirit, neglecting the salvation of God. If you were save there. Why did you return to him? To become truly saved?
you believe you came back on your own?I know you don't believe that

you did stop believing that is what causes us to sin,what you were feeling was the spirit of God grieving.

Jesus said faith of a mustard seed can move mountains.

That little faith is a faith which is alive, and will saved, as apposed to a dead faith which will never save.

stop trying to convince yourself.

as for believing, again i ask (and again you refuse to answer) when you disobay your father, does that mean syou stop believing in your father, or have lost faith in him? No.. why do you place God as a lower being of love than your own earthly father?

 

[apostolic862004]

No. A person who believes in eternal security based on faith in Christ do not justify their own experience, their own experience tells them how unworthy they are.

It is those who reject OSAS who justify their own experience (works)



I did fail God. I did leave, But God never left me. He promised he never would. It was his chastening that brought me back , as scripture says, he who is not chastened are illegitimate and not true children. It was the chastening and conviction of God whicvh brought me back and proved I was still his.



Na, I could never comfort myself. all I have is filthy rags to offer God. I can never be conforted in my own skin. This is something you workers can never comprehend, You have a false comfort because you think you are righteous., which is a false sense of security, which is no security at all. which is why you do not believe in eternal security, You can never believe in this if your faith is in yourself, it is impossible.



No, Your wrong.



obsurd?

Yes, he did write a whole book to tell you to test your faith in different areas of your life.

But that one section you all always use is speaking about eternal justification.

James says clearly. can a man who claims he has faith. yet has NO WORK.

How can you interpret NO WORK as to saying he had some works? Any works. You cant, You would have to interpret how many works come from true faith to a dead faith. You just can not do it.

Again, Your taking a passage out of context which does not support you. Thats dangerous.

What are you talking about eternally? It is so clear to everyone reading your posts that you are being willfully ignorant of the scriptures. James is absolutely %100 saying that you cannot be SAVED without WORKS! He specifically asked "what does it profit a man if he SAYS he has faith but has no WORKS? CAN FAITH SAVE HIM? The answer to the question is NO faith without works cannot SAVE anybody! Now if you deny that this is what James is saying, you are just flat out lying. Read the chapter. He makes the statement twice: FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD! And then if verse 24 he literally says, "You see how that BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY! If you can deny that James is saying you have to have works in order to be saved, you are intentionally closing your eyes.

 

[newbirth]

Near to being cursed, and being cursed are not the same,

If one lost salvation they would be cursed.

if one loses reward (wood hay straw) they are near to being cursed, Yet still saved, as paul saiys, even though as through fire. He gets out of the burning house wiht nothing by the clothes on his back. But he is still alive.

your whole response is babble
Don't change the word...Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

 

[newbirth]

Jesus said faith of a mustard seed can move mountains.

faith as a mustard seed not of a mustard seed

That little faith is a faith which is alive, and will saved, as apposed to a dead faith which will never save.

We are saved by grace

stop trying to convince yourself.

of what???

as for believing, again i ask (and again you refuse to answer) when you disobay your father, does that mean syou stop believing in your father, or have lost faith in him? No.. why do you place God as a lower being of love than your own earthly father?

The scripture teaches us to obey our parents
Colossians 3:20
Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.
Why would i want to disobey God
Colossians 3:6

For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

[h=1][/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.