The Fixed Earth

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Cup-of-Ruin said:
OK so in your mind your fanciful world you believe yourself to be on a earth that is rotating at 1000 mph, counter-clockwise (Northpole), so now do a 180 degree turn and go in the other direction, imagine yourself, or even do this experiment yourself on a treadmill, OK the treadmill is not going 1000 mph hour, but it will do, so you turn round and go in a clockwise direction, and what happens?????
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The tread mill is a great analogy! Especially when it is the long one at the airport that you have to share with the other people who got tired of walking. If you stand still, relative to all the others on it, you are still but, compared to the others who decided to walk and stayed off the treadmill you are moving even as you feel like you are still.

It doesn't matter how fast the tread mill goes you and the others can walk forward or backward. the only issue comes when you want to get off the treadmill and it is moving. Then the relative speed you feel comes face to face with the actual speed of the treadmill.
 
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The tread mill is a great analogy! Especially when it is the long one at the airport that you have to share with the other people who got tired of walking. If you stand still, relative to all the others on it, you are still but, compared to the others who decided to walk and stayed off the treadmill you are moving even as you feel like you are still.

It doesn't matter how fast the tread mill goes you and the others can walk forward or backward. the only issue comes when you want to get off the treadmill and it is moving. Then the relative speed you feel comes face to face with the actual speed of the treadmill.
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Yes, but heres something you can try, go in the opposite direction that the airport conveyor is going, what happens, you go backwards, or maybe fall on your face than go backwards, which would be with the forward motion of the conveyor surface, it would be same for a plane if they are going clockwise round the earth and the earth's surface and atmosphere is allegedly travelling at 1000 mph and the plane is moving at 600 mph, the plane would be going in reverse, it would reach each destination eventually I guess, if we imagine, by the earth's rotation, but backwards, it would crash obviously in the 1000 mph atmosheric headwind but hypothetically, because thats what a moving earth theory is, it's unproven hypothetical, but if you indoctrinate a human long enough they will believe anything, ever heard of the allegory of Plato's Cave, it's actually quite a masterful plan, propaganda experts have used it as a template for thousands of years, it still workds perfectly.
 
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Yes, but heres something you can try, go in the opposite direction that the airport conveyor is going, what happens, you go backwards, or maybe fall on your face than go backwards, which would be with the forward motion of the conveyor surface, it would be same for a plane if they are going clockwise round the earth and the earth's surface and atmosphere is allegedly travelling at 1000 mph and the plane is moving at 600 mph, the plane would be going in reverse, it would reach each destination eventually I guess, if we imagine, by the earth's rotation, but backwards, it would crash obviously in the 1000 mph atmosheric headwind but hypothetically, because thats what a moving earth theory is, it's unproven hypothetical, but if you indoctrinate a human long enough they will believe anything, ever heard of the allegory of Plato's Cave, it's actually quite a masterful plan, propaganda experts have used it as a template for thousands of years, it still workds perfectly.
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I have heard of the analogy of Plato's Cave. And, in all seriousness I pray in love that you will see the light of truth and come out of the darkness that is the world you live in. I don't question your salvation at this point as I have never read that you deny the deity of Christ or His death, burial and ressurrection. But, I pray that you know the fulness of truth. I accept that at this point we disagree and you think that I am deluded by satanic lies. Nevertheless I pray for you. If God cares about you to the point that he is willing to knit you in the wonb and count the hairs on your head then it seem you are important enough for me to care about no matter what you think.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
OK so in your mind your fanciful world you believe yourself to be on a earth that is rotating at 1000 mph, counter-clockwise (Northpole), so now do a 180 degree turn and go in the other direction, imagine yourself, or even do this experiment yourself on a treadmill, OK the treadmill is not going 1000 mph hour, but it will do, so you turn round and go in a clockwise direction, and what happens?????
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*sigh* The far end of the treadmill is stationary (relative to the Earth).

When you're talking about the rotation of the Earth, you're moving, the ground's moving, EVERYTHING is moving. Including your destination. Because EVERYTHING is moving, it is effective stationary. (There's that word again, effectively, the one you have such trouble with.)

This is high-school level science here and you're just not getting it.
 
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*sigh* The far end of the treadmill is stationary (relative to the Earth).

When you're talking about the rotation of the Earth, you're moving, the ground's moving, EVERYTHING is moving. Including your destination. Because EVERYTHING is moving, it is effective stationary. (There's that word again, effectively, the one you have such trouble with.)

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'Because everything is moving, it is effectively stationary', this is what's called an oxymoron.

Now back to what I was saying, given in your hypothesis that the earth is rotating 1000 mph counter clockwise, we have a direction West to East at a speed of 1000 mph, and in your hypothesis you include the atmosphere of the earth also rotating with the earth at the same speed, so again I ask you what would happen when you travel clockwise agaist this rotation velocity of the earth??? To help you might want to go back and consider our satellite discussion, remember how you claimed that, that geostaionary satellites needed to move at the same speed as the earth in order to remain stationary, or imagine a plane travelling counterclockwise at 1000 mph, by your logic it would be effectively stationary, accounting for the spin of the earth, the plane travelling a 1000 mph going with the rotation of the earth counterclockwise, would actually being not moving, it would be geostationary! And for this reason all real calculation for everything from satellite direction, to eclipses, to planes, to all navigation for anything that needs and precision, for any calculation to be accurate it must be based on a Fixed Earth? Why? Because the earth is fixed.
 
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I have heard of the analogy of Plato's Cave. And, in all seriousness I pray in love that you will see the light of truth and come out of the darkness that is the world you live in. I don't question your salvation at this point as I have never read that you deny the deity of Christ or His death, burial and ressurrection. But, I pray that you know the fulness of truth. I accept that at this point we disagree and you think that I am deluded by satanic lies. Nevertheless I pray for you. If God cares about you to the point that he is willing to knit you in the wonb and count the hairs on your head then it seem you are important enough for me to care about no matter what you think.
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It is you who are inside Plato's Cave, I present you with the truth, if you wish to avoid it, maybe the Spirit of Truth will not testify to you, you refuse to believe God's word, that He gave, He created the earth first, before the sun and moon which were created as 'lights', the sun is not the centre, the sun rises and sets, God even stopped it once, and then reset it, there are dozens and dozens of verses in the Bible declaring that the earth is stationary and does not move at all, the sun and moon move just like our God given eyes tell us, but you don't believe your own eyes, you have scales on your eyes, you don't believe your own senses, neither the logic and reason that God has given you, you would rather believe the lie than face the truth, you will turn away from God's good and simple truth to embrace every antichrist worldly lie that comes along! You should pray that God release you from Satan's curse, you should pray that God take the scales of your eyes and give you ears to hear!

"For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

1 Chron. 16:30

"Fear before Him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, THAT IT BE NOT MOVED"

"And say ye, Save us, O God of our Salvation, and gather us together, and deliver us from the heathen, that we may give thanks to thy holy name, and glory in thy praise"
 
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Cup, if you are in motion then whether you go east or west you will only feel the relative velocity relative to the earth. Obviously you don't understand basic relative motion, which is taught at high school, so you probably shouldn't be engaged in this discussion, as this is obviously above your level of understanding.

The rotation of the earth acts against gravity , and actually the force we feel on earth keeping us down is the sum of gravity and force due to earth's rotation.

If you've ever been on a big big aeroplane, that flies high in the sky, you would have flown on an aircraft navigation system which is based upon the principles of a rotating earth. Ask any pilot.
 
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Cup, if you are in motion then whether you go east or west you will only feel the relative velocity relative to the earth. Obviously you don't understand basic relative motion, which is taught at high school, so you probably shouldn't be engaged in this discussion, as this is obviously above your level of understanding.

The rotation of the earth acts against gravity , and actually the force we feel on earth keeping us down is the sum of gravity and force due to earth's rotation.

If you've ever been on a big big aeroplane, that flies high in the sky, you would have flown on an aircraft navigation system which is based upon the principles of a rotating earth. Ask any pilot.
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You just abolished the reference points in a bid to claim relativity, this is your error.
 
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Which reference points? If you use a local level coordinate frame the origin is set at a point on earth, say your start point, then you may travel east or west at 10 mph and what is your velocity in the reference frame? 10 mph. Everything is relative to the fixed reference point which by definition has a velocity of 0. You only feel 10 mph because you are contained with the system. Now if your arm was long enough to stretch above earth's atmosphere and hold onto a hypothetical bar fixed in space above earth's atmosphere that could not move, I then suppose it would be ripped off when your arm goes from 1000 mph to 0 mph as your arm reaches out of earth's rotating atmosphere and holds onto the bar.

Let's talk a bit about open versus closed systems. Suppose a hypothetical container on the back of a truck which weighs 1000 kg is filled with hypothetical gas weighing 10kg , and suspended in the middle of the container in the gas is a hypothetical ball which weighs 5 kg - note that this ball is floating within the container and not touching the side of the container at all. If the container is weighed, what is the total weight of the container in kg?
 
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your quoting youtube videos of an old self professed scientist as proof hahaha
 
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Well I did listen to the whole video. Do you know he says that stars are big and heavy and they cause what we call the coriolis forces? Doesn't this disagree with what you believe that the stars are not that big/heavy and are ice crystals?
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They are large and heavy, I didn't say they were not, I just said they are not thermonulcear suns, like our sun, they are of a different light of ice crystal , just as the Bible says.
 
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"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lessor light to rule the night: he made the stars also, And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth." Genesis 1:16

God made the earth on the first day, he made the sun moon and stars on the fourth day, it is impossible for the earth to rotate around something that does not exist. Earth was the centre and created before the sun and moon and stars which serve only as lights upon the earth. God's model is clearly identified as Geocentric, earth occupies the centre of the universe and cannot be moved, the sun and moon and stars all revolve around the immovable Earth!
 
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earth occupies the centre of the universe and cannot be moved, the sun and moon and stars all revolve around the immovable Earth!
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So you say, but you can't use the universe rotating to explain why earth rotation can be measured by gyroscopes flying in aircraft or fixed on the earth's surface - because the atmosphere is part of the earth system. A gyro cannot detect the rotating of the universe if it is fixed to the earth , so the only explanation is that the earth is rotating.


By the way, if the earth is fixed, and the universe moving, why can't we feel the earth's atmosphere whizzing over the fixed earth at high speed?
 
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By the way, if the earth is fixed, and the universe moving, why can't we feel the earth's atmosphere whizzing over the fixed earth at high speed?
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Good question 'Snail, The earth is protected by the magneticsphere.

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His design is perfect, beautiful, trust in His word.
 
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Try this one on guys...

talk about time being relative....

there are ultimately 2 ways of measuring time.....astronomic time and atomic time

and they are not in sync

they are changing relative to each other
 
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