The Sabbath was given to God's children.

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Yes, doing what seems right, being led by the spirit... grace and peace!
Do you really think the spirit that is of the Lord would lead to all these things? Christ was there when scripture was breathed, Christ is in the Spirit. After all scripture says about cleanliness as our goal, I can't see Christ inviting you to some of these things on the day that Christ said this day was especially blessed for our sakes and is holy.
 

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Do you really think the spirit that is of the Lord would lead to all these things? Christ was there when scripture was breathed, Christ is in the Spirit. After all scripture says about cleanliness as our goal, I can't see Christ inviting you to some of these things on the day that Christ said this day was especially blessed for our sakes and is holy.
If you want to pick one of the things chubbena talked about in post 49, we could talk about why or why not the spirit might lead there... grace and peace!
 

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lol.. Non children of God follow gods commands all the time, Even paul acknowledged this, :When a gentile, who does not have the law. Do what is written in the law....)

Alot of people know Gods commands (paul says they know them all, and thus have no excuse0 and realise, Taking a day off work and resting IS A GOOD THING..

are they following god? No. But they are obeying his command. even though they would deny it.
well ok then you talked us into it next time we see someone(non believers as it is said) worshiping God on Sunday I'll go "hmm, look at that these non believers are worshiping God without even knowing it",,,,see there "there's no more fire'',,,
 

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The Law can only condemn those who break the Law. Jesus took the condemnation for us, He didn't do away with the Law. When a child of God is confronted with the Law he rejoices in it but when the unregenerated confront the Law, condemnation is the first thing that comes to their mind. The Law is a ministry of death to those who are guilty before God but Christ has remove our guilt so the condemning power of the Law has no authority over us but the glory of God's instruction is sweet to those of His kingdom.
Galatians 2:19

19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

God Bless
 
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Where can you find true rest on the Sabbath? really is that real life? I don't think so. The only place you can find true res is the cross.

Come unto me all ye who are heavy laden for I shall give you rest. You can;t find it elsewhere even on Saturday or Sunday. How many cut the grass on the weekend?
 
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well ok then you talked us into it next time we see someone(non believers as it is said) worshiping God on Sunday I'll go "hmm, look at that these non believers are worshiping God without even knowing it",,,,see there "there's no more fire'',,,

the sabbath is not to worship God It is for mans benefit, Not Gods.

so your argument does not even fit your case.
 
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Jesus is the Sabbath and we are to Honor the Sabbath which is the cross.
 

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The seventh day Sabbath was given to God's children as part of His creation.

First it was given to Adam and Eve.

Then it was given to God's chosen people and to all who want to join God's people in worshiping God.

Isaiah 56:1-8 This is what the Lord says: "Be just and fair to all. Do what is right and good, for I am coming soon to rescue you and to display my righteousness among you. Blessed are all those who are careful to do this. Blessed are those who honor my Sabbath day of rest and keep themselves from doing wrong. "Don't let Gentiles who commit themselves to the Lord say, "The Lord will never let me be part of his people." And don't let the eunuchs say, "I'm a dried-up tree with no children and no future." For this is what the Lord says: I will bless those eunuchs who keep my Sabbath day holy and who choose to do what pleases me and commit their lives to me. I will give them within the walls of my house a memorial and a name far greater than sons and daughters could give. For the name I give them is an everlasting one. It will never disappear! "I will also bless the Gentile who commit themselves to the Lord, who serve him and love his name, who worship him and do not desecrate the Sabbath day of rest, and who hold fast to my covenant. I will bring them to my holy mountain of Jerusalem and will fill them with joy in my house of prayer. I will accept their burnt offerings and sacrifices, because my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations. For the Sovereign Lord, who brings back the outcasts of Israel, says: I will bring others, too, besides my people Israel."

That's all you have, God's chosen people or not God's chosen people. If you want to be part of God you have to join up with God's chosen people and worship God as He taught them.

Ephesians 2:11-13 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
You may not have to bring a dead sacrifice to God, thanks to Jesus, but you do bring a living sacrifice to God seen in how you live. Will your offering be acceptable to God?.


Ok back to OP , you do realized Isaiah 56:1-8 speaks upon those under the old covenant ,right before Christ came into the picture to fullfill it and give us the new covenant. Isaiah 56:1-8 has nothing to do with the new covenant. None of the apostles of Jesus Christ taught that the sabbath was to be keep in the new covenant. Show me one verse in the NT that approves the Apostles of Jesus Christ taught the fourth commandment to be keep to all Christians.

1 Kings 8:9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.


1 Kings 8:21 And I have set there a place for the ark, wherein is the covenant of the LORD, which he made with our fathers, when he brought them out of the land of Egypt.

Jeremiah 31:31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jeremaih 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Then it was given to God's chosen people and to all who want to join God's people in worshiping God.


In the Old Covenant yes ,but not in the new covenant, that is the freedom in Christ.

God Bless
 
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Scuba what does the Sabbath day do for you except make you feel good?
 

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so if a non child of God follows the sabbath(jews),,but they deny jesus as the mesiah,,"will they be blessed"???,,,
In post 50 is where you said "A non-child of god will be blessed if he rest one day a week",,and then I ask you this in post 57,,,so if they are a (non)believer whether Jew or pagan(you quoted Paul speaking of the gentile)I referred to the Jew both being (non)believing so if this is so how is it that god will give them his blessing and Jesus made this statement?

(Matthew 10;32-33),,,"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men,him will I confess also before my father which is in heaven. (But) whosoever shall deny me before men,him will I also deny before my father which is in heaven."

So an (Non)believer,,,(meaning one who does not believe/deny in Jesus) does this seem as though Christ is giving them his blessing?
 
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In post 50 is where you said "A non-child of god will be blessed if he rest one day a week",,and then I ask you this in post 57,,,so if they are a (non)believer whether Jew or pagan(you quoted Paul speaking of the gentile)I referred to the Jew both being (non)believing so if this is so how is it that god will give them his blessing and Jesus made this statement?

(Matthew 10;32-33),,,"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men,him will I confess also before my father which is in heaven. (But) whosoever shall deny me before men,him will I also deny before my father which is in heaven."

So an (Non)believer,,,(meaning one who does not believe/deny in Jesus) does this seem as though Christ is giving them his blessing?
Wrong just wrong. You cannot have rest unless you are a believer otherwise you are bound by sin and given a debased mind.
 

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yes Kerry thats my point "you must believe in Christ",,,it does not apply to any non believer,,,,
 

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let me say this as towards my "argument",,I myself am embarrassed to argue,I'm really just not very good at it,that is my hands begin to sweat and my face turns red. I consider you all as my brothers and sisters and i do love you,I do not have any desire to argue but I do have a desire to discuss the scriptures and come to an understanding that i will be confident in dieing and standing before God having understood,what I understood I have taught to my children and think that the very same truth I should not withhold from any as if they are any less precious than i consider my own family and myself.

The truth is in a consistent form from the beginning to the end. If it then is true that a (non)believer is blessed because he/she fulfills an act be it the sabbath or an sacrifice,meaning they obeyed and fulfilled it without it being in their heart,In the same Cain who offered his sacrifice to god is blessed,that is it was not in his heart he simply did it because he thought to do it to save his own skin. as we know the lord did not bless his sacrifice because it was not in his heart. So from the very beginning when there was the sabbath,and Adam and Eve Cain the first born of Adam and Able his brother it is established that if it is not in your heart "it is not blessed",,,this should be consistent throughout the last verse in the bible,If not than the (non) believer Cain is blessed and we are following the wrong birthright and Christ is not the Savior,,,,,,
 
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Galatians 2:19

19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

God Bless
The death of Christ, which saves whoever believes in Him, replaced animal sacrifices, not to replace the whole law but the sacrificial law. If the whole law were replaced, there would be no sin because there's nothing to reveal sin. The fact that Paul spoke against sin in Galatians chapter 5 and 6 indicated there's still sin. So go figure.
 
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Where can you find true rest on the Sabbath? really is that real life? I don't think so. The only place you can find true res is the cross.

Come unto me all ye who are heavy laden for I shall give you rest. You can;t find it elsewhere even on Saturday or Sunday. How many cut the grass on the weekend?
The Bible doesn't say rest is found on the cross. Rather, the Word of God says come to Him and one would find rest. Come to the Word of God one would find rest, not to the less than 200 years of church tradition of teaching rest in Christ has replaced physical rest. Any history of Christianity at the nearest main stream Christian book store or on line at Amazon can verify this. A search on teachings of C.H. Spurgeon, D.L. Moody, T. Watson, A.W. Pink on the net can verify this.
For example, this link
The Ten Commandments by A.W. Pink-The Fourth Commandment
 
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If you want to pick one of the things chubbena talked about in post 49, we could talk about why or why not the spirit might lead there... grace and peace!
Okay, we could do that. We would try to think through each item by the spirit and not by the letter. Here is the post: "If one thinks it's alright to see a movie, rated R or else, or to a ballgame featuring one's favorite star, or go shopping for one's favorite fashion brand on sale, and think it's alright with God, then by all means go, and as often as one wishes and not to be restricted on the Sabbath. :) "

We are doing this to honor the day that the Lord blessed and declared Holy. On this day, we are to rest from the work required of us to survive and give over to the Lord for our wellbeing. So: seeing an R rated movie. We are told that we are to be clean, that includes spiritually. This is not giving control of our lives to God.

Going to a ballgame depends on the individual. Having fun, sharing love with others, such things are of God. Making sports an idol as many do is not. This should be family and friends time.

Shopping, this is in the category of work we do for our well being without looking to God for that. But God would not want us to go hungry because we aren't allowed to shop. That would be legalism. We should have arranged to shop on a day that did not belong to the Lord.

But we each need to think this through as if it is through the Lord's eyes, not legalistically.
 
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let me say this as towards my "argument",,I myself am embarrassed to argue,I'm really just not very good at it,that is my hands begin to sweat and my face turns red. I consider you all as my brothers and sisters and i do love you,I do not have any desire to argue but I do have a desire to discuss the scriptures and come to an understanding that i will be confident in dieing and standing before God having understood,what I understood I have taught to my children and think that the very same truth I should not withhold from any as if they are any less precious than i consider my own family and myself.

The truth is in a consistent form from the beginning to the end. If it then is true that a (non)believer is blessed because he/she fulfills an act be it the sabbath or an sacrifice,meaning they obeyed and fulfilled it without it being in their heart,In the same Cain who offered his sacrifice to god is blessed,that is it was not in his heart he simply did it because he thought to do it to save his own skin. as we know the lord did not bless his sacrifice because it was not in his heart. So from the very beginning when there was the sabbath,and Adam and Eve Cain the first born of Adam and Able his brother it is established that if it is not in your heart "it is not blessed",,,this should be consistent throughout the last verse in the bible,If not than the (non) believer Cain is blessed and we are following the wrong birthright and Christ is not the Savior,,,,,,
I love your spirit! That you know that God is one from beginning to end makes you so precious in the Lord's and my sight.

Please consider that it is only through what Christ did for us in paying for our sins that sacrifices could be used, Cain knew it was blood to cover sin. We are to obey, sometimes blindly, but God knows why He gives us directions, we are not to question, just obey. Cain knew it was the blood of animals that produced the skins to cover his parent's nakedness. He knew blood was required, he just used his own reasoning about it, not God's instructions. He knew blood was required, his reasoning said the fruits of his labors would be OK.
 

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The death of Christ, which saves whoever believes in Him, replaced animal sacrifices, not to replace the whole law but the sacrificial law. If the whole law were replaced, there would be no sin because there's nothing to reveal sin. The fact that Paul spoke against sin in Galatians chapter 5 and 6 indicated there's still sin. So go figure.
The Death & Resurrection of Jesus Christ not only replace animal sacrifices , He free Israel & Judah and everyone from bondage. His fullfillment of following the law complete and going to the cross brought fourth a new covenant, that one no longer had to observe a certain day (sabbath) to worship God or else be sentence to death which was part of the old covenant.

Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

None of the apostles of Jesus Christ taught that the sabbath was to be keep in the new covenant. Show me one verse in the NT that approves the Apostles of Jesus Christ taught the fourth commandment to be keep to all Christians.

Galatians 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

Acts 15:5

The Council at Jerusalem

5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Living by the spirit brother and you don't have to worry about law.

Galation 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

God Bless
 
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The seventh day Sabbath was given to God's children as part of His creation.

First it was given to Adam and Eve.

Then it was given to God's chosen people and to all who want to join God's people in worshiping God.

Isaiah 56:1-8 This is what the Lord says: "Be just and fair to all. Do what is right and good, for I am coming soon to rescue you and to display my righteousness among you. Blessed are all those who are careful to do this. Blessed are those who honor my Sabbath day of rest and keep themselves from doing wrong. "Don't let Gentiles who commit themselves to the Lord say, "The Lord will never let me be part of his people." And don't let the eunuchs say, "I'm a dried-up tree with no children and no future." For this is what the Lord says: I will bless those eunuchs who keep my Sabbath day holy and who choose to do what pleases me and commit their lives to me. I will give them within the walls of my house a memorial and a name far greater than sons and daughters could give. For the name I give them is an everlasting one. It will never disappear! "I will also bless the Gentile who commit themselves to the Lord, who serve him and love his name, who worship him and do not desecrate the Sabbath day of rest, and who hold fast to my covenant. I will bring them to my holy mountain of Jerusalem and will fill them with joy in my house of prayer. I will accept their burnt offerings and sacrifices, because my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations. For the Sovereign Lord, who brings back the outcasts of Israel, says: I will bring others, too, besides my people Israel."

That's all you have, God's chosen people or not God's chosen people. If you want to be part of God you have to join up with God's chosen people and worship God as He taught them.

Ephesians 2:11-13 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
Sabbath is the weekly battry chrger that somes with every creature creation

without it you self destruct morally and start thinking good is evil and evil is good
 

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You may not have to bring a dead sacrifice to God, thanks to Jesus, but you do bring a living sacrifice to God seen in how you live. Will your offering be acceptable to God?

Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

God Bless