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He did promise it to all who trust/believe in Him.
The thing is the trust/belief in Him has to last tell you either die in the flesh or transformed at the rapture ( if you believe )which ever comes first. If you lose that trust/belief in Him, you no longer are in a saved state.
When ever the apostles is referring to some one as a brother or sister in Christ, or calling them brethren. They are saying they are in the same saved state as they are, but then they go and warn that if they go back to a sinful nature it will lead them to death, not life.
The thing is the trust/belief in Him has to last tell you either die in the flesh or transformed at the rapture ( if you believe )which ever comes first. If you lose that trust/belief in Him, you no longer are in a saved state.
When ever the apostles is referring to some one as a brother or sister in Christ, or calling them brethren. They are saying they are in the same saved state as they are, but then they go and warn that if they go back to a sinful nature it will lead them to death, not life.
How can I ever come boldly before the throne of grace if I am always in fear of losing my salvation? If Romans 10:9,10 says that I am saved when I confess Jesus as Lord and believe in my heart that God raised from the dead - then I am saved. I am born again of God's Spirit.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever. The first time we are born; we are born of corruptible seed, being born again - we are born of incorruptible seed by the word of God - [faith comes by hearing and hearing from the word of God].
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. God knows we will sin in the flesh because he made provision for us if we should sin (1 John 1:9), so where does someone who is born again NOT commit sin? Do we sin in the flesh or in the Spirit?
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that you sin not [break fellowship - context of 1 John 1]. And if any man sin [break fellowship], we have an advocate [defender or mediator] with the Father, Jesus Christ [our defender] the righteous. A son/daughter of God can get out of fellowship but cannot get out of fellowship so far that he is no longer a son/daughter.
In my earthly family I am a daughter of my parents - How long will I be their daughter? As long as I live. That is my "standing" within my family. My "standing" in my heavenly family, in the family of God, is as a daughter. How long will I be a daughter? As long as I live. The new birth, the Spirit is incorruptible and remains in me.
My behavior determines my "state" within my earthly family and my behavior also determines my "state" [fellowship]within my heavenly family. My position [standing] as a daughter has no bearing whatsoever upon what I do but my "state" is directly affected by my actions.
IOW . . . If after I am born again, I don't have much knowledge in the word and I continued to sin. Now my "state" [fellowship] in my heavenly family is not in alignment and harmony; i.e. I am now out of fellowship - but my "standing" as a daughter is still secure. How can I get back into perfect fellowship with God? 1 John 1:9.
Christ in you is sonship, your standing with God, but you in Christ is fellowship, your state in the family.
Again salvation is a gift and is by grace - you are continually trying to make salvation by works -
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever. The first time we are born; we are born of corruptible seed, being born again - we are born of incorruptible seed by the word of God - [faith comes by hearing and hearing from the word of God].
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. God knows we will sin in the flesh because he made provision for us if we should sin (1 John 1:9), so where does someone who is born again NOT commit sin? Do we sin in the flesh or in the Spirit?
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that you sin not [break fellowship - context of 1 John 1]. And if any man sin [break fellowship], we have an advocate [defender or mediator] with the Father, Jesus Christ [our defender] the righteous. A son/daughter of God can get out of fellowship but cannot get out of fellowship so far that he is no longer a son/daughter.
In my earthly family I am a daughter of my parents - How long will I be their daughter? As long as I live. That is my "standing" within my family. My "standing" in my heavenly family, in the family of God, is as a daughter. How long will I be a daughter? As long as I live. The new birth, the Spirit is incorruptible and remains in me.
My behavior determines my "state" within my earthly family and my behavior also determines my "state" [fellowship]within my heavenly family. My position [standing] as a daughter has no bearing whatsoever upon what I do but my "state" is directly affected by my actions.
IOW . . . If after I am born again, I don't have much knowledge in the word and I continued to sin. Now my "state" [fellowship] in my heavenly family is not in alignment and harmony; i.e. I am now out of fellowship - but my "standing" as a daughter is still secure. How can I get back into perfect fellowship with God? 1 John 1:9.
Christ in you is sonship, your standing with God, but you in Christ is fellowship, your state in the family.
Again salvation is a gift and is by grace - you are continually trying to make salvation by works -
Again just because you say something does not make it true...you grabbed at the promise but you did not take time to get the instructions....For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:22
King James Version
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Romans 6:22
King James Version
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
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How do you twist 1 Timothy 3
6 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]How could a novice meaning a young saved one fall into the same [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]condemnation[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] as the devil if OSAS is true.[/FONT]
6 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]How could a novice meaning a young saved one fall into the same [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]condemnation[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] as the devil if OSAS is true.[/FONT]
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those who believe every word of God will be saved
how can you say you believe the bible
And lacking love
we won’t be able to enter in. So he’s holding back the
plagues for a little while longer so that we can learn
to love one another.
If you look in 1 Corinthians 13, he talks about what
love does and what it doesn’t do.
Love has patience.
Love is kind.
Love is not envious.
I want you to look at how Jesus was and how his love
was. When someone asked him, ‘What lack I yet?’ He told
them to go and give up everything they had and give to the
poor and come and follow me.
And that must have been a surprise to Judas, who
would’ve liked to have had the rich young ruler’s possessions.
And Judas would have thought that it would have
been a great help for the church to have money to operate
on and conduct its business. But Jesus didn’t go that route.
He told the rich young ruler to give up everything and come
and follow him. And it turns out that the rich young ruler
didn’t want to do that. He had some possessions and he
didn’t want to give them up. And so he didn’t make the
decision to do what Jesus told him to do.
And so we see that Jesus offered the man eternity. And
the man didn’t value eternity very much. He didn’t
think eternity was worth giving up everything for. He
thought his present was worth keeping. The present time
was worth keeping.
how can you say you believe the bible
And lacking love
we won’t be able to enter in. So he’s holding back the
plagues for a little while longer so that we can learn
to love one another.
If you look in 1 Corinthians 13, he talks about what
love does and what it doesn’t do.
Love has patience.
Love is kind.
Love is not envious.
I want you to look at how Jesus was and how his love
was. When someone asked him, ‘What lack I yet?’ He told
them to go and give up everything they had and give to the
poor and come and follow me.
And that must have been a surprise to Judas, who
would’ve liked to have had the rich young ruler’s possessions.
And Judas would have thought that it would have
been a great help for the church to have money to operate
on and conduct its business. But Jesus didn’t go that route.
He told the rich young ruler to give up everything and come
and follow him. And it turns out that the rich young ruler
didn’t want to do that. He had some possessions and he
didn’t want to give them up. And so he didn’t make the
decision to do what Jesus told him to do.
And so we see that Jesus offered the man eternity. And
the man didn’t value eternity very much. He didn’t
think eternity was worth giving up everything for. He
thought his present was worth keeping. The present time
was worth keeping.
I find much of this debate to be purely theoretical, and not something that occurs in reality.
If a person falls away, did they ever truly know Christ?
In the only cases that I know of where someone has 'fallen away', they were raised in a Christian home, and considered themselves 'Christians', but were really only doing it for social reasons, or because of.... brainwashing by the parents.
There is another case which occurs in congregations with concert style worship, or highly emotional preaching,
where a person gets an emotional high from the meeting, and assumes that the emotion had spiritual impact. They say it is conversion, but the truth is that they have their faith in an emotion, not Christ.
There is a parable about soil which describes the types of people who fall away.
They were never saved. (John 6 explains this well)
If a person falls away, did they ever truly know Christ?
In the only cases that I know of where someone has 'fallen away', they were raised in a Christian home, and considered themselves 'Christians', but were really only doing it for social reasons, or because of.... brainwashing by the parents.
There is another case which occurs in congregations with concert style worship, or highly emotional preaching,
where a person gets an emotional high from the meeting, and assumes that the emotion had spiritual impact. They say it is conversion, but the truth is that they have their faith in an emotion, not Christ.
There is a parable about soil which describes the types of people who fall away.
They were never saved. (John 6 explains this well)
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And that’s the catch about going to heaven.
We have to
have Jesus abiding within,
because he’s the only one going.
Everyone that goes is going to be abiding in Jesus. The word of God. The whole thing.
And he’s going,
and he’s going to take those with him that he knows,
that he knows personally inside and out.
Who have committed their lives to following him,
to following the light that he has given,
to following every word that proceeds from his mouth
and making it the light of our life.
The people of Joel 2 are a people
who march to antoward their master.
They march to the master and toward the master, and they walk in his way.
And they don’t watch what people are doing on each side,
but they watch the
master.
We have to
have Jesus abiding within,
because he’s the only one going.
Everyone that goes is going to be abiding in Jesus. The word of God. The whole thing.
And he’s going,
and he’s going to take those with him that he knows,
that he knows personally inside and out.
Who have committed their lives to following him,
to following the light that he has given,
to following every word that proceeds from his mouth
and making it the light of our life.
The people of Joel 2 are a people
who march to antoward their master.
They march to the master and toward the master, and they walk in his way.
And they don’t watch what people are doing on each side,
but they watch the
master.