BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[homwardbound]

You have a problem actually:

It is written:

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1. Sin is breaking the law.

It is written:

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

1. Sin is breaking the law
2. If you sin you are a slave to sin and do not abide in the house forever.

It is written:

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

1. Sin is breaking the law
2. If you sin you are a slave to sin and do not abide in the house forever.
3. we must be Born again or we will not enter the kingdom of God.

It is written:

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1. Sin is breaking the law
2. If you sin you are a slave to sin and do not abide in the house forever.
3. we must be Born again or we will not enter the kingdom of God.
4. Those who are born of God do not commit sin.

It is written:

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.





1. Sin is breaking the law
2. If you sin you are a slave to sin and do not abide in the house forever.
3. we must be Born again or we will not enter the kingdom of God.
4. Those who are born of God do not commit sin.
5. Eternal life is knowing God.

It is written:

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.





1. Sin is breaking the law
2. If you sin you are a slave to sin and do not abide in the house forever.
3. we must be Born again or we will not enter the kingdom of God.
4. Those who are born of God do not commit sin.
5. Eternal life is knowing God.
6. If you do not keep his commandments then you do not know him.

It is written:

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

1. Sin is breaking the law
2. If you sin you are a slave to sin and do not abide in the house forever.

3. we must be Born again or we will not enter the kingdom of God.
4. Those who are born of God do not commit sin.

5. Eternal life is knowing God.
6. If you do not keep his commandments then you do not know him.

7. Only the Doers of the law will be Justified.

It is written:

Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.



1. Sin is breaking the law
2. If you sin you are a slave to sin and do not abide in the house forever.

3. we must be Born again or we will not enter the kingdom of God.
4. Those who are born of God do not commit sin.

5. Eternal life is knowing God.
6. If you do not keep his commandments then you do not know him.

7. Only the Doers of the law will be Justified.
8. We are Justified by Faith which means some how Faith in Jesus enables me to be a doer of the law.

one could keep going. The real question is Did Jesus save us from the power of the Devil?

It is written:

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.



The Just shall live by Faith. you can obey the law/10 commandments perfectly if you have Faith in Jesus and His Righteousness.

Hey gotime, sir, have you broken it lately? Had anger at anyone, like as it seems right here to all, over and over he who sins breaks the Law and will not be?
that is what I got out of your post here, no one is saved, God can't save me, you, or anyone, why? All you got to do is just sin once, and I know as well as me we both have at least once, so byte bye, no chance or is there?
And please tell us, me how?
God does just love you, but not only you?

 

[homwardbound]

Of course the law is finished in Christ, The Law pointed to Jesus.

The sacrifices pointed to Jesus the true sacrifice.
The Temple pointed to The heavenly Temple.
The priesthood pointed to Jesus our High priest.
The 10 commandments showed us our sin and our helpless inability to keep Gods law. Jesus comes into our heart and the fruit of this is perfect lining up with the law.

Its all about Jesus, everything. When we say you must keep the law we are not saying try harder. We are pointing out the fruit of faith in Jesus in you the hope of glory. not by works but by faith.

Keeping the law is a simple inevitable result of true Faith in Jesus and his indwelling Grace through the Spirit.

So are you saying by Christ you are keeping the law perfectly? Literally, physically?
And if I do work on Friday night sundown to Saturday night sundown, I am cursed by God according to you? Or any of the Laws of Moses, if I do not obey them, am I cursed by God or you and what you beleive to be?

 

[john832]

The reason why this article doesn't address "proper motive for following the Law and a benefit to it" is because the born again Christian is NOT under the bondage of the Law. The Law was fulfilled in Christ....and He has redeemed us from the CURSE (not benefit) of the Law (Galatians 3:13; 4:4-5).

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Now here is a real problem for your understanding...

Deu 5:29 Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!

Deu 30:9 The LORD your God will make you abound in all the work of your hand, in the fruit of your body, in the increase of your livestock, and in the produce of your land for good. For the LORD will again rejoice over you for good as He rejoiced over your fathers,
Deu 30:10 if you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law, and if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 30:11 "For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?'
Deu 30:13 Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?'
Deu 30:14 But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it.
Deu 30:15 "See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil,
Deu 30:16 in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the LORD your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess.

Deu 28:1 "Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the LORD your God will set you high above all nations of the earth.
Deu 28:2 And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, because you obey the voice of the LORD your God:

Now here is where the curse of the Law comes in...

Deu 28:15 "But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
Deu 28:16 "Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the country.
Deu 28:17 "Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.
Deu 28:18 "Cursed shall be the fruit of your body and the produce of your land, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks.
Deu 28:19 "Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
Deu 28:20 "The LORD will send on you cursing, confusion, and rebuke in all that you set your hand to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly, because of the wickedness of your doings in which you have forsaken Me.

The curse of the Law is the penalty for disobedience to the Law. We have all incurred that curse, because we have DISOBEYED. Christ came to offer Himself in our place. He came to take the punishment for breaking the Law...

Rom 5:6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

To most, the fix for Law breaking and the penalty incurred is to do away with the Law. The real solution is to make forgiveness of sin available by Christ paying the penalty in our stead. Then He gives us a new heart and a new mind that is able to obey, not perfectly but the intent is to obey. Paul explains that...

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[homwardbound]

This has been something I have thought about, because person A says what you said about person B, Yet Person B says the same thing about person A.

I agree the bible does not give two different points of view. but simply saying what you have will change nothing because the other side may think that you are the one who will not listen and interprets wrong. Can't really change it.

The Bible does give us two sides to see,

Galatians 4:29
At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.

one is either in Spirit and truth or remains in Spirit of error, which has to do to please God, when Christ by the flesh is the only one that ever did and ever will by flesh please God, and he died to the flesh for us to do the same in Spirit and truth to be alive to Father in Spirit and truth no flesh allowed why, because it is unredeemed

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

So if one serves in Spirit and truth, then one is saved in Spirit and truth, has received the Holy Spirit of truth, are born again and just love all. refrains from argument of flesh ignorance for flesh the carnal nature knows nothing but selfishness

Just what I see no sin in Spirit of Father, all sin by Christ is condemned to the flesh, the very flesh man keeps trying to be perfect in and obey, sorry God sees us all like a fly on the wall
The true us is behind closed doors, the true you, when thinking about how you are going to get that person that. Or yell at your kids or better half, scream about your boss behind his back

So if you are not doing these, then I say God has got a hold of you by you having Faith, if not then seek God out, he is not hidden, for God does just love you and not only you all persons
This love, mercy of God is the foundation that no man can destroy, manipulate yes as has been done for centuries now. And God's Mercy thank God continues, not to be taken for granted.
So if you are harming others stop, cede, before you have to go through being delivered to Satan to have the body destroyed, so that when go through thhat Holy Fire of God you will be saved, even though all those works burned up

 

[homwardbound]

Its already there in a post above the one you read.

If Sin is breaking the law.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


and Jesus said that we can do nothing without Him:

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Thus the secret is to abide in Him and John says that if we abide in him we will sin not.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

And John was clear that sin is breaking the law. so not sinning is keeping it. The Key is abiding in Jesus.

and If Jesus is in us:

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

notice the real focus of this text is "his seed remaineth in him" Jesus in us causes us to be born again and not sin.

what other option have you, While we can not stop sinning by ourselves something changes when we by Faith accept Jesus' death for our sin. and then let Him into our hearts.

I can't explain how it works it just does. Faith does not need to understand exactly how Jesus takes us from disobedient to obedient, it Just trusts His promises and then it becomes reality. Faith is the only way. not by works lest any man should boast. Christ and Him crucified is the answer.

so in essence we can't sin, so why do we get mad at others, and sin, nothing wrong in getting mad, just when it manifests to not loving our neighbor as self and a little deeper as Christ loved us, and loves us all
And most here do not sin in public, no we sin at home to our other half's, yell, scream and fight, tell our kids behave or else. that really shows we are a child of the living God and really acted like it yes or no to all
So can you obey completely, and if you are doing these things behind closed doors, then maybe it is you the self that is in the way to do what God has called you to do.
So maybe stop being an imitator in public, and not a participator as shown behind closed doors. Just maybe be a participator in Christ's finished work for you all?
I remember my times in fighting and arguing, and wanting all things to go right the way I see them from my interpretations of the word, and those closest to me better get in line
Oh how I was so wrong, anyway praying for all to see the Man in the mirror, and from there on it is a bumpy ride to come to the whole truth and nothing but the truth found in Christ to Father

 

[haz]

I am pretty sure no one here has been teaching that we are saved by works of the Law, but some are teaching that Lawlessness is what Christ came to bring...

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

hi john832.

Its disappointing to see your still preaching works of the law ( the ministry of condemnation/death, written and engraved in stones 2Cor 3:7.)



Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.



what is God's will?
John 6:40 tells us that His will is that we believe on Jesus.

Sadly we see the legalists saying "Lord, Lord....", but being told "depart from me, you who practice lawlessness".

Whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.
Legalists are under the law so whatever it says it says to them.
And as they fail to keep it perfectly ( as is required, James 2:10) they are therefore guilty of all the law. Thus they're described as "you who practice lawlessness".

Legalists make themselves a transgressor/Sinner, Gal 2:18.

God call upon legalists to repent of their dead works, Rev 3:19. We must not follow lukewarm doctrines that mix works of these law with grace.

 

[Linda70]

To all who are still under the "schoolmaster" (the Law)....enjoy yourselves. Make sure that all of you perfectly and continually obey the Law (all 613 commandments). Break just ONE of those commandments and you have broken the ALL.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Is it "faith or the schoolmaster" (the Law)?

 

[john832]

hi john832.

Its disappointing to see your still preaching works of the law ( the ministry of condemnation/death, written and engraved in stones 2Cor 3:7.)



Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.



what is God's will?
John 6:40 tells us that His will is that we believe on Jesus.

Sadly we see the legalists saying "Lord, Lord....", but being told "depart from me, you who practice lawlessness".

Whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.
Legalists are under the law so whatever it says it says to them.
And as they fail to keep it perfectly ( as is required, James 2:10) they are therefore guilty of all the law. Thus they're described as "you who practice lawlessness".

Legalists make themselves a transgressor/Sinner, Gal 2:18.

God call upon legalists to repent of their dead works, Rev 3:19. We must not follow lukewarm doctrines that mix works of these law with grace.

It is disappointing that you are teaching against God's Law...

Perhaps you can explain the following scriptures for us...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
Mat 19:18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, " 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER,' 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,' 'YOU SHALL NOT STEAL,' 'YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS,'
Mat 19:19 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER,' and, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "

Joh 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Joh 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Rev_22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[haz]

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Which Commandments? That question was already asked about 2000 years ago...

Mat 19:18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, " 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER,' 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,' 'YOU SHALL NOT STEAL,' 'YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS,'
Mat 19:19 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER,' and, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "

And Christ answered by showing He was speaking of the Ten Commandments.

this scripture is a favourite for legalists.

but when we see the rest of that chapter we see a different story unfolding.

That young man acknowledged that he still "lacked" under the law.

Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

It's Christ's sacrifice that perfects believers, Heb 10:14 (not works of the law).

That young man did not follow Jesus. He rejected the gospel of Christ.
Why?
Because he had great possessions, which was self-righteousness by works of the law. That young man would not submit to the righteousness of God.

john832. Christians are not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9).
So why try to bring them back under the law?

 

[haz]

john832.

Christ's commandments are given in John and also 1John 3:23.
1: believe on Jesus
2: love one another.

But you preach the ministry of condemnation/death (2Cor3:7) instead.

 

[john832]

john832.

Christ's commandments are given in John and also 1John 3:23.
1: believe on Jesus
2: love one another.

But you preach the ministry of condemnation/death (2Cor3:7) instead.

Who spoke this?

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
Exo 20:2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

And then said this?

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.

and this?

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
Mat 19:18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, " 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER,' 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,' 'YOU SHALL NOT STEAL,' 'YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS,'
Mat 19:19 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER,' and, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "

 

[Brother_Don]

satan knows how powerful we can be honoring, and obeying God. satan is trying so hard to disarm us from the Word, i think he actually he had had it hidden never yo be found, to funny. Thank You Father for opening our eyes yo Truth, and restoring Your Family.

 

[just-me]

this scripture is a favourite for legalists.

but when we see the rest of that chapter we see a different story unfolding.

That young man acknowledged that he still "lacked" under the law.

Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

It's Christ's sacrifice that perfects believers, Heb 10:14 (not works of the law).

That young man did not follow Jesus. He rejected the gospel of Christ.
Why?
Because he had great possessions, which was self-righteousness by works of the law. That young man would not submit to the righteousness of God.

john832. Christians are not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9).
So why try to bring them back under the law?

Being subject to the law is not being under it when we are lifted up.

James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up .

Romans 3:27-31
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded . By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.

Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be .

The inability of being subject to the law shows a certain faith that is missing, and also reveals a carnal mindset.

Word of warning to those who reject any part of God's word as irrelevant for Christains.

Deuteronomy 10:16Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Galatians 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised , that they may glory in your flesh.

Colossians 2:10-11
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

 

[Brother_Don]

think he actually thought he had it hidden, jokes on him.

 

[just-me]

satan knows how powerful we can be honoring, and obeying God. satan is trying so hard to disarm us from the Word, i think he actually he had had it hidden never yo be found, to funny. Thank You Father for opening our eyes yo Truth, and restoring Your Family.

Jesus quoted the law 3 times to satan during His 40 days in the wilderness. It had power then, and it has the same power today. "It is written."

 

[Brother_Don]

yes there is power in The Word, its true!

 

[Karraster]

satan knows how powerful we can be honoring, and obeying God. satan is trying so hard to disarm us from the Word, i think he actually he had had it hidden never yo be found, to funny. Thank You Father for opening our eyes yo Truth, and restoring Your Family.

True Brother Don, and it is mind boggling to read over this thread and see so clearly some of that blindness..that even plain English sometimes can't be comprehended, as demonstrated by this particular conversation:

Originally Posted by john832

I am pretty sure no one here has been teaching that we are saved by works of the Law, but some are teaching that Lawlessness is what Christ came to bring...

..and the response:

Originally Posted by haz
hi john832.
Its disappointing to see your still preaching works of the law ( the ministry of condemnation/death, written and engraved in stones 2Cor 3:7.)

The Word says that satan has deceived the whole world, and also that we see as if darkly thru a glass. Possibly one of satan's great deceptions is the way Bibles are worded and that Hebrew doesn't translate well for reason of it being such a rich language, in that a single word conveys sentences rather than just a single best word choice of another language.

Law in the Word is better stated "instructions from God as to the best way to live" and no one here that I've seen is saying that the "law" saves!! Faith in Messiah saves!! and also that faith is not merely belief, faith has arms, legs, a voice, etc..it is what we live and do. It is following Messiah by word and deed and learning of Him, not resting on our laurels waiting to go to heaven.

What should be a sobering thought, is that Almighty knows our thoughts!! What is the heart's desire? To please Almighty? Or to find loop holes in His instructions? hmm it's a question that will at some point be answered, better sooner than later.

Best praise Him, what a great Father we have, so loving so kind and patient, and He desires mercy and not the blood of bulls and goats but has provided for us a lamb once and for all, and what response do we give? Thankfulness, and a desire to do His will to the best of our ability, ..or laziness in seeking His heart, His truth?

 

[KohenMatt]

To all who are still under the "schoolmaster" (the Law)....enjoy yourselves. Make sure that all of you perfectly and continually obey the Law (all 613 commandments). Break just ONE of those commandments and you have broken the ALL.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Is it "faith or the schoolmaster" (the Law)?

The neat interesting thing though, is that there was forgiveness and atonement all throughout the Law for breaking the individual laws. So I wonder how that relates to Paul's words that you have to obey all of it?

Oh yeah. Paul was talking about needing to keep all of it if you were trusting in it for your salvation.

The cool thing is, the Law was never meant to "save".

 

[john832]

Law in the Word is better stated "instructions from God as to the best way to live" and no one here that I've seen is saying that the "law" saves!! Faith in Messiah saves!! and also that faith is not merely belief, faith has arms, legs, a voice, etc..it is what we live and do. It is following Messiah by word and deed and learning of Him, not resting on our laurels waiting to go to heaven.

The neat interesting thing though, is that there was forgiveness and atonement all throughout the Law for breaking the individual laws. So I wonder how that relates to Paul's words that you have to obey all of it?

Oh yeah. Paul was talking about needing to keep all of it if you were trusting in it for your salvation.

The cool thing is, the Law was never meant to "save".

No, it was not, it is the description of living righteously...

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

God gave the Law as instruction on how to live. He gave us information that we could not discover on our own. the best way to live is the way of love and give as described in the Law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The neat interesting thing though, is that there was forgiveness and atonement all throughout the Law for breaking the individual laws. So I wonder how that relates to Paul's words that you have to obey all of it?

Oh yeah. Paul was talking about needing to keep all of it if you were trusting in it for your salvation.

The cool thing is, the Law was never meant to "save".

true. It was never meant to show us how to be righteous either. it is not capable of doing that., All it can do is give us a false sense of righteousness. And a pride which makes us think we are morally good people. in fact it stunts our growth, when in reality, we are still sinners. still in need of help and growth. because the law can only go so far.