God didn't think it robbery to be equal to Himself

[VCO]

Isn't the little horn of Daniel 8 the same person as the last king of the north in Daniel 11? Yes. See The Ends of Time, pp. 72-73. However, in Daniel 8 and 9 the tyrant prince destroyed the city and the sanctuary but in Daniel 11 that same tyrant only profanes the sanctuary. That's the classic meaning of an alternative ending.

I will happily speak of my own experience. I was chosen. I didn't follow any sort of formula.

John 3:3-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again,he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The wind blows where it pleases, and you hear its sound, but you don’t know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

Joshua 24:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if it doesn’t please you to worship Yahweh, choose for yourselves today the one you will worship: the gods your fathers worshiped beyond the Euphrates River or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living. As for me and my family, we will worship Yahweh.”

John 1:12-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But to all who did receive Him, He gave them the right to be children of God, to those who believe in His name,
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood, or of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man, but of God.

Colossians 2:6-9 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] rooted and built up in Him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

 

[Shubee]

When you come to realize that God has a plan, and that God does not lie or deceive, then you will come to the truth

The purpose of prophecy is primarily of a moral and salvific nature. “God warns the disobedient of coming disaster. He encourages the oppressed with glimpses of future prosperity. He informs men about their present situation and stirs them toward the right course of action.” Our conclusion is that prophecy is a divine summons from God for His people (in a time of apostasy, lethargy, or persecution) to fully enter into the covenant relationship with Him, through repentance.

IT IS NOT A SPIRITLESS STATEMENT FOREORDAINED ABOUT PREDESTINED EVENTS IN A FATALISTIC UNIVERSE.

 

[Shubee]

John 3:3-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again,he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

I have been born again. So when are you going to repent and begin to respect God's word and historical-grammatical exegesis?

 

[VCO]

My interpretation is that Daniel and Revelation contain many conditional details. I propose that God's intentions and the prophecies of prophets are always honorable.

NO, they contain the outline of the Four major world Empires and How the Lord will bring them to an END and Set up HIS Thousand year reign on the Throne of David, And Eternal Judgment of those who refused to recognize HIM as God in the flesh, and to submit out of love to His Lordship. Plus we get a glimpse of the our Wedding to the Lamb and our eternal dwelling place.

 

[Shubee]

for the record, infinite-dimensional Analysis is quite far from being "trivial."

A measure is defined as a nonnegative real function from a delta-ring

such that
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where

is the empty set, and
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[TR]
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for any finite or countable collection of pairwise disjoint sets

in

such that

is also in

.
If

is

-finite and

is bounded, then

can be extended uniquely to a measure defined on the

-algebra generated by

.

(cited from WolframMathWorld)

For the record, you are wrong. That's called measure theory.

 

[Shubee]

NO, they contain the outline of the Four major world Empires and How the Lord will bring them to an END and Set up HIS Thousand year reign on the Throne of David, And Eternal Judgment of those who refused to recognize HIM as God in the flesh, and to submit out of love to His Lordship. Plus we get a glimpse of the our Wedding to the Lamb and our eternal dwelling place.

That has all been updated. Read the book of Revelation.

 

[VCO]

Obviously better than you.



Wow! Is that the only way you can win an argument? You have to put words in my mouth? Why not just answer my questions?

Was God obligated to fulfill all of Deu 28:15-68 or could He show some mercy and select whatever options from His promise that He wanted?

It is not a game, you follow a false prophet, who incorrectly defined who Jesus Christ is, thus a Christ who is not God Almighty, is a false Christ, and a gospel that ignores the need to be born again is also a false gospel. It is not a game to win or lose, and your eternal destiny hangs in the balance.

 

[posthuman]

For the record, you are wrong. That's called measure theory.

i know exactly what it is.
you want to measure things; you need a measure --- ergo you need measure theory.

 

[Shubee]

It is not a game, you follow a false prophet, who incorrectly defined who Jesus Christ is, thus a Christ who is not God Almighty, is a false Christ, and a gospel that ignores the need to be born again is also a false gospel. It is not a game to win or lose, and your eternal destiny hangs in the balance.

Is this the kind of works-righteousness you practice, thinking it will get you into heaven? I told you I was born again. You are an accuser of the brethren and a vicious tool of Satan. William Miller was a highly respected, loving, ordained Baptist minister. I doubt that he taught or believed what you accuse him of. Millerites today have the perfected Millerite doctrines that William Miller only dreamed about. Please target your vicious lies against us.

 

[Shubee]

you follow a false prophet, who incorrectly defined who Jesus Christ is, thus a Christ who is not God Almighty, is a false Christ,

The Apostle Paul is not a false prophet. Millerites accept his theology; you call that evil.

1 Corinthians 8:6-7
"Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. But not everyone knows this." (cf. John 1:3).

 

[Shubee]

Wow! Is that the only way you can win an argument? You have to put words in my mouth? Why not just answer my questions?

Was God obligated to fulfill all of Deu 28:15-68 or could He show some mercy and select whatever options from His promise that He wanted?

Still no answer? And the question is so easy!

 

[juststopandthink]

If you think about it, every Trinitarian translation of this verse that attempts to be literal is empty of content. See KJV and NKJV. It is nonsense to translate Philippians 2:6 to mean God didn't think it robbery to be equal to Himself.

Alternately, it is chock full of content, specifically, "Hey did you know that God is one, in the sense of implying multiplicity? Like Adam & Eve being one flesh?"

Which it sounds like some people need to hear!

 

[Shubee]

Alternately, it is chock full of content, specifically, "Hey did you know that God is one, in the sense of implying multiplicity? Like Adam & Eve being one flesh?"

Being one flesh or just being one with other believers doesn't mean that the final result of that oneness is that there is just one being in multiple persons.

 

[Ukorin]

The purpose of prophecy is primarily of a moral and salvific nature. “God warns the disobedient of coming disaster. He encourages the oppressed with glimpses of future prosperity. He informs men about their present situation and stirs them toward the right course of action.” Our conclusion is that prophecy is a divine summons from God for His people (in a time of apostasy, lethargy, or persecution) to fully enter into the covenant relationship with Him, through repentance.

IT IS NOT A SPIRITLESS STATEMENT FOREORDAINED ABOUT PREDESTINED EVENTS IN A FATALISTIC UNIVERSE.

if/then statements are conditional. if there is not if/then statement, then it comes to pass.
God has never given a prophecy that does not come to pass. If/then statements included.

If you can't depend on God to speak the truth, then how can you trust that Christ's sacrifice will REALLY save you on the Last Day?
Maybe that was just an option, and God will choose not to use that option.

 

[VCO]

Is this the kind of works-righteousness you practice, thinking it will get you into heaven? I told you I was born again. You are an accuser of the brethren and a vicious tool of Satan. William Miller was a highly respected, loving, ordained Baptist minister. I doubt that he taught or believed what you accuse him of. Millerites today have the perfected Millerite doctrines that William Miller only dreamed about. Please target your vicious lies against us.

Okay TELL US:

Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?

Do you believe that Jesus is GOD incarnate?

Do you believe that repentance is produced in those who are Saved?

Do you believe that genuine Salvation produces Love for GOD?

Do you believe that Love for GOD produces willingness to submit to Jesus Christ as LORD, which means Master?

Do you believe it is absolutely necessary to have your human spirit brought to eternal life by the Holy Spirit to go Heaven?

Do you believe that Salvation is by the GRACE of GOD through faith only, and not of our works?

Do you believe that genuine Salvation produces a desire to obey HIM?

Can you explain the term "born again" in your own terms?

Can you explain how GOD saved all people who are SAVED?

 

[Shubee]

if/then statements are conditional. if there is not if/then statement, then it comes to pass.

There are many examples that prove your statement false. See this article: Conditionalism: A Cornerstone of Adventist Doctrine.

 

[Shubee]

Okay TELL US:

Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?

Do you believe that Jesus is GOD incarnate?

Not as defined by you.

Do you believe that repentance is produced in those who are Saved?

Do you believe that genuine Salvation produces Love for GOD?

Do you believe that Love for GOD produces willingness to submit to Jesus Christ as LORD, which means Master?

Do you believe it is absolutely necessary to have your human spirit brought to eternal life by the Holy Spirit to go Heaven?

Do you believe that Salvation is by the GRACE of GOD through faith only, and not of our works?

Do you believe that genuine Salvation produces a desire to obey HIM?

Can you explain the term "born again" in your own terms?

Can you explain how GOD saved all people who are SAVED?

Yes.

 

[posthuman]

For the record, you are wrong. That's called measure theory.

if we can't do the proof, then dragging Cantor into this thread is just name dropping.
however if we can, we need it to be rigorous, and we can't write equalities or inequalities without defining a measure.

you think we can just assume the greatness of God is Lebesgue-measurable??

Great [is] JHWH, and praised greatly,
And of His greatness there is no searching.
(Psalm 145:3)

i do not think so.

it's OK with me if you want to avoid the math; i just wanted to be rigorous, instead of hand-waving or name-dropping. i'm a mathematician, and it doesn't do for me to just name theorems i don't understand to justify outcomes. sometimes it turns out that they don't apply to my case.

 

[VCO]

The Apostle Paul is not a false prophet. Millerites accept his theology; you call that evil.

1 Corinthians 8:6-7
"Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. But not everyone knows this." (cf. John 1:3).

Denying the Deity of Jesus Christ, is DEFINITELY NOT OF GOD. There is but ONE GOD, the Holy Trinity.

Here are others that refused to recognize Jesus Christ the Creator as GOD:

Romans 1:18-22 (ASV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Colossians 1:16-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.

 

[Shubee]

If you can't depend on God to speak the truth, then how can you trust that Christ's sacrifice will REALLY save you on the Last Day?

If you learned that all of the prophecies, covenants, promises, and threats found in the Scriptures are conditional whether or not a condition is stated; their fulfillment being contingent upon man's response to God's commands, would you turn away from God?