King James authorized bible vs the rest of other bibles

[Jason0047]

How does one perfectly translate a language into another? You do realize that perfect translation is not possible due to the differences in language, right?

My fiance lives in Brazil and I know full well about the differences in language. There are certain words that do not translate from one language to another. However, with God, all things are possible. He would know which words were best so that nothing was lost. Also, God was the One who set into motion all the different languages. I am sure He would have no problem in preserving His Word from one language to the next. In other words, I believe nothing was lost in God's Word as it was translated thru His chosen languages thru out time.

 

[Last]

No, all Scripture is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16).

Has nothing to do with what I said. Scripture is inspired, not WRITTEN by God.

Don't know where you are getting your faulty information from. But like I said before. The difference between my view of History and your view of History is that I can also support my position with the Word of God (without even looking to History). For God's Word claims that it is perfect and that it would be preserved for all generations. All generations would include this one. Scripture also teaches that there is only one Word of God and not many Words of God or that we have to go to another language we don't understand so as to have a perfect Word of God.

In other words, there is no Biblical position for Anti-KJV-onlyism.

Jesus is the Word of God, the bible is the inspired word of God. I like that you call by information faulty but won't say why. Erasmus created the TR. Period.

Then Wikipedia got it wrong.

There is no italic bible on wikipedia.

No, I believe you believe what you say is true based off the teaching you had. And I don't hope that you are dumb so as that you might slip up in some kind of Historical area (So that I can catch you in messing up). That type of thinking is a foregn concept to me. I really honestly don't care about what men's documents say. They can all be fakes. History is only useful in so far as it lines up with God's Word. So I question the validity of your teaching and it's accuracy or reliability and not your intelligence.

Saying you will ignore all evidence to believe in an unsubstantiated point is insanity.

 

[jag1977]

Die for what exactly? Do you actually have a copy of this Bible? Do you read it with the understanding with no problem? Would you be able to read it to some kids without them having confused looks on their faces? Remember, children our of the Kingdom of God. So you would think God would provide His Word for children so that they can understand His Word on some basic level.

Die for? I do not copy any thing from the bible and make it mine. I have no problems in understanding. I never plan on reading any part of any bible to any child. I was not raised that way and neither are MY CHILDREN, do you even have children? I was absolutely FREE growing up to choose whatever religion suited me best as an individual without outside influences. Maybe that is your problem, you have had so much push on you and now you cannot tell up from down. You want to message me and take a shot out of the spot light on what exactly the kingdom of god is? OUR? What? You think what? God has provided his word, children or adults don't need your word however.

 

[Last]

My fiance lives in Brazil and I know full well about the differences in language. There are certain words that do not translate from one language to another. However, with God, all things are possible. He would know which words were best so that nothing was lost. Also, God was the One who set into motion all the different languages. I am sure He would have no problem in preserving His Word from one language to the next. In other words, I believe nothing was lost in God's Word as it was translated thru His chosen languages thru out time.

You are engaged to someone in a country that speaks a modern indo-european language - that totally gives you the ability to understand the issues in translating the bible! (BZZT, WRONG)

 

[Jason0047]

Has nothing to do with what I said. Scripture is inspired, not WRITTEN by God.

No, not true, my friend.

1 Thessalonians 2:13
"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe."

Jesus is the Word of God, the bible is the inspired word of God.

Yes. The Bible is the divinely inspired words of God.
Men spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost and then it was written down (Which was sometimes done by a scribe).

I like that you call by information faulty but won't say why. Erasmus created the TR. Period.

As I said. Don't care about History unless it lines up with God's Word. And your position is not found in the Scriptures. "The KJV-Only" or the "one Word of God preserved for all generations" position does exist in the Scriptures.

There is no italic bible on wikipedia.

Vetus Latina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Saying you will ignore all evidence to believe in an unsubstantiated point is insanity.

Are we talking Historical Science (Evidence) or Observational Science (Evidence)? There is a difference.

Check out this short animated Christian video to see where I am coming from.

[video=youtube;LY1-NPYQSiQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY1-NPYQSiQ[/video]

 

[jag1977]

Youtubeatannicajamesversiontruthalogicagodica

 

[Last]

No, not true, my friend.

1 Thessalonians 2:13
"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe."

Yes, scripture is the word of God. It was not written by God, it is inspired by God.

Yes. The Bible is the divinely inspired words of God.
Men spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost and then it was written down (Which was sometimes done by a scribe).

Men spoke and scribes wrote (OT) what was being inspired by God.

As I said. Don't care about History unless it lines up with God's Word. And your position is not found in the Scriptures. "The KJV-Only" or the "one Word of God preserved for all generations" position does exist in the Scriptures.

Not it doesn't. You don't believe anything unless it lines up with your man-made traditions, and that is the problem.

Vetus Latina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I already pointed out the Old Latin bibles before you did - which were the creation of the Catholic Church. There was no static/italic Latin bible.

Are we talking Historical Science (Evidence) or Observational Science (Evidence)? There is a difference.

The two are basically the same.

Check out this short animated Christian video to see where I am coming from.

[video=youtube;LY1-NPYQSiQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY1-NPYQSiQ[/video]

youtube videos about stuff are generally stupid.

 

[Jason0047]

You are engaged to someone in a country that speaks a modern indo-european language - that totally gives you the ability to understand the issues in translating the bible! (BZZT, WRONG)

Anyone can hit a buzzer button and say you are wrong. The real proof in the pudding is can you back up such a statement. In other words, please tell us how Brazilian Portuguese to English is a different process then Biblical Greek to English.

 

[Last]

Your youtube video is stupid and quite a exercise of rhetoric.

We can observe what is going in space, that is the past, by measurable, repeatable evidence. He argues that because the bible was valid on somethings that are considered fact by historical things, it is equal to observable things on all things it claims.

BZZT - wrong. All things in the bible are not observable science, his made up term. Some things in the bible are historical science, which he tries to extend to be proof that all things claimed within are equal to observable repeatable science.

 

[Last]

Anyone can hit a buzzer button and say you are wrong. The real proof in the pudding is can you back up such a statement. In other words, please tell us how Brazilian Portuguese to English is a different process then Biblical Greek to English.

Portuguese is a non-declension language. Biblical Greek is a proto-Indo-European language and proto-Indo-European languages are quite different from their modern counterparts. Now Hebrew, the basis of the OT is another thing entirely.

 

[2Thewaters]

king james only is rediculous theology

before the KJV was the GENEVA Bible

was that the word of God?

of course!

King james couldn't handle it, he told his king james men to make another bible that supported his theology

would you like to read the LETTER he wrote saying that?

that is the whole reason behind it!

silly kjv only

ten years before the KJV was invented you are saying there WAS NOT A WORD OF GOD?

Your viewpoint is silly and rediculous!

the SAME greek payrus still existed that the geneva used
and the SAME ORIGINAL GREEK was used to make the KJV version!

yet they are different

KJV definitely watered down the sabbath, ADDED EVER BURNING HELL and TOOK OUT kneeling down

go get the geneva and the KJV

same originals
very different translations

explain that?

then read king james letter

where he tells his henchmen

that they need a BETTER TRANSLATION THAT SUPPORTS THEIR DOCTRINES

now

its obious

wake up

translations lean one way or another

but if you LOOK UP THE GREEK then you have the TRUTH

get it?


and the geneva Bible esisted!
where was the word of Gode!

now listen here

king james only are FANATICS

they have made a mans MODIFIED WATERED DOWN BIBLE with ADDED GREEK MYTHOLOGY their idol


the WORD OF GOD is the correct Bible and the priginal GREEK is inerrant

the translated versions all have glitches

wake up you guys

the words behind the translations are Gods word
JUST LOOK THEM UP

 

[Jason0047]

Yes, scripture is the word of God. It was not written by God, it is inspired by God.

No, read 1 Thessalonians 2:13 again. Did they receive the Word of God as the words of men or as the words of God? You say that the Bible is not the words of God. But this would be a direct violation of 1 Thessalonians 2:13.

Men spoke and scribes wrote (OT) what was being inspired by God.

Paul had a scribe at one point.

Not it doesn't. You don't believe anything unless it lines up with your man-made traditions, and that is the problem.

No, my friend. I believe the Word of God first. Even above man made history.

 

[2Thewaters]

better yet
why dont YOU do a little study?

why dont you just look this up ok?

King james was all about covering up DIVORCE

that was the WHOLE PURPOSE for making the KJV!

 

[jag1977]

Anyone can hit a buzzer button and say you are wrong. The real proof in the pudding is can you back up such a statement. In other words, please tell us how Brazilian Portuguese to English is a different process then Biblical Greek to English.

So are you telling him to hit the buzzer button to say he is wrong or what is going on here? The proof in the pudding is LAST. So you are telling us that when a scribe translates the bible from one language to another they just need to know those two languages only because that is how the bible is translated? A guy knows English and knows Hebrew means he can simply take the ancient text and translate it to English. You must do this quite often. That is awesome, can you teach us that while you are teaching us to understand the bible?

 

[2Thewaters]

king james takes in a clear DIVORCE and CHANGES IT TO PUT AWAY

divorce was CHANGED to PUT AWAY

it isnot WRONG get it?
Put away is not WRONG
king james is not WRONG

it is just UNCLEAR

get it?

when someone reads PUT AWAY they can argue they DIED!

it is a lawyer thing
to get king james off the hook
get it?

 

[Last]

No, read 1 Thessalonians 2:13 again. Did they receive the Word of God as the words of men or as the words of God? You say that the Bible is not the words of God. But this would be a direct violation of 1 Thessalonians 2:13.

They received it as the word of God, a revelation, not as the words of God, as if God wrote them down. Try again.

Paul had a scribe at one point.

People wrote for Paul, even after he died.

No, my friend. I believe the Word of God first. Even above man made history.

Then you would not be promoting man-made traditions.

Nice dodge.

Calling the use of youtube videos are not dodges. You'll see that because it was short I adressed it anyways.

 

[2Thewaters]

im not saying the king james is WRONG

I am saying they PURPOSEFULLY OBFUSCATED IT and you can prove it

go look up PUT AWAY in every king james event
(use e sword)
search for PUT AWAY

then click on the strongs

know what it says?
DIVORCE! YES! DIVORCE!

it isnt WRONG it is CHANGED so that WEASELS CAN NOW ARGUE ABOUT IT!!!

get it?

it was nnot WRONG it was CHANGED so that LAWYERS CAN NOW ARGUE ABOUT IT

oh, that means they DIED

no it doesnt

it means DIVORCE

get it?

cmon guys
stop being so stubborn
king james was a weasel.

 

[Nick01]

Death is Condemnation. That's why death is also mentioned. That's why Paul also says in other passages in the New Testament that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Paul goes out of his way to let you know that if you are walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit, you are under the "Condemnation." Which as I said before, refutes OSAS, my friend.

It doesn't. If you look at the contour of Paul's thought in Romans 8, it is that those who are in Christ are by definition those who walk according to the Spirit. It's not a question of walking the Spirit so as to be in Christ. You can't extricate one from the other.

But I'm not hear to argue OSAS with you. There's simply no point. My initial point is simply this - the addition to verse 1 is not ion the earliest manuscripts. Even if there was a giant conspiracy, and the words have been deleted instead of added, as you claim, it makes minimal difference to the point Paul makes in Romans 8, because:

He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

And

for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

 

[jag1977]

im not saying the king james is WRONG

I am saying they PURPOSEFULLY OBFUSCATED IT and you can prove it

go look up PUT AWAY in every king james event
(use e sword)
search for PUT AWAY

then click on the strongs

know what it says?
DIVORCE! YES! DIVORCE!

it isnt WRONG it is CHANGED so that WEASELS CAN NOW ARGUE ABOUT IT!!!

get it?

it was nnot WRONG it was CHANGED so that LAWYERS CAN NOW ARGUE ABOUT IT

oh, that means they DIED

no it doesnt

it means DIVORCE

get it?

cmon guys
stop being so stubborn
king james was a weasel.

The word divorce is in kjv

 

[2Thewaters]

the did SMAE THING with verses on

eternal security
ETERNAL BURNING HELL (which does not exist in the greek)
and PREDESTINATION


yes go look it up

they changed the words so they can be argued

other versions you cant support those doctrines


oh yes
the SABBATH

king james TOOK OUT THE WORD SABBATH in new testament 83 times!

yes they did

why
cause they KEEP SUNDAY

you want me to show you?

just CLICK ON IT!

it says SABBATH

look up WEEK and click
every WEEK is really SEVENTH DAY SABBATH DAY 1 or seventh day sabbath day or some dirivitive but they changed it 85 times to something else

in fact them changed the SABBATH SEVENTH into 12 other words but not SABBATH

why?
caus they wanted to make it unclear

simple

wake up

it is true



just click on the GREEK and you have the inerrant work fo God

but on topics of

HELL
ETERNAL SECURITY (no such thing)
PREDESTINATION (no such thing)
and KNEELING IN PRAYER

those have all been altered by command of king james

just look them up

wake up

before the king james came along

the word of God still eisted

and the king james is STILL the word of GOD!
inerrant!

you just have to dig pas the dirt to find it now.

thanks a lot king!