The attack of the KJV

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Our country was founded on the beliefs of Christianity, and Christianity like rolling hills, has up's and down's. Greed has divided our country and those "officers" granted rights over our well being the past 70 or so years have succumbed to that evil and are now paying the price of paying back what they have exploited from those less than them. That is the root from which poisons our prosperity. A NATURAL RETURN BY GOD TO EQUALIZATION. The days of Kings, Dictators, savages and oppressors is lost with you in doubt that this country is the beginning of a new world. The system was founded on the concepts of GOD but it is the brief era of one man, present past or future, without morality in power that can change it's image. Just remember, it is the current immoral elect not the system of our way that perverts the system. The system is perfect....fools elect the foolish to deny that which is not foolish. Up's and down's but beneath oppression of one or many is temporary and never complete again in this country because of ME, MY KIND, and MINE...I say!!!!!!!!!
 

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Back to the OP, since I have no strong feelings about who the American president is, etc.

The KJV is not under attack! In fact it is virtually ignored, except by the people that worship it! God has moved to modern English, corrected a lot of the mistakes in the KJV, in various Bibles, and made the Bible accessible for modern English speakers! And in literally thousands of other languages, at least parts!

I have read the Bible completely almost 50 times, including in French, Spanish, the New Testament in K Greek and a lot of the Old Testament in Hebrew. Despite getting an almost perfect 4.0 in Seminary when I graduated last year, I have never managed to read the KJV through from cover to cover, because I don't understand 16th or 17th century English! (I can never figure out why the KJV1611 was written over a century later, either!)

Greek and Hebrew are much easier to understand than a KJV Bible!

Take your old Bibles and go elsewhere. I am sick to death of people claiming a translation in a language not even used any more is the ONLY Bible, inspired and all the other garbage! Shoddy scholarship! That is what this KJV Only cult is all about!

PS I don't read the NIV so stop claiming it is the devil! There are many other better modern translations, including NASB and ESV which are much closer to the original, and in current English! Compare KJV to reputable Bibles, OK?
 
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That's right...back to the OP and away from ME....don't tread on ME with your hands out!
 

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Have you ever realized that The KJV has been under attack. The NIV is not under attack nor is the Message bible nor is the NASB or some other translation. Why is the KJV under such scrutiny.

Because the devil only attacks that which is from God. If he's got you then he leaves you alone.

Your comments please.
Or its not the kjv thats under attack rather just the extremely annoying kjv-only cultists?
 

Timeline

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Back to the OP, since I have no strong feelings about who the American president is, etc.

The KJV is not under attack! In fact it is virtually ignored, except by the people that worship it! God has moved to modern English, corrected a lot of the mistakes in the KJV, in various Bibles, and made the Bible accessible for modern English speakers! And in literally thousands of other languages, at least parts!

I have read the Bible completely almost 50 times, including in French, Spanish, the New Testament in K Greek and a lot of the Old Testament in Hebrew. Despite getting an almost perfect 4.0 in Seminary when I graduated last year, I have never managed to read the KJV through from cover to cover, because I don't understand 16th or 17th century English! (I can never figure out why the KJV1611 was written over a century later, either!)

Greek and Hebrew are much easier to understand than a KJV Bible!

Take your old Bibles and go elsewhere. I am sick to death of people claiming a translation in a language not even used any more is the ONLY Bible, inspired and all the other garbage! Shoddy scholarship! That is what this KJV Only cult is all about!

PS I don't read the NIV so stop claiming it is the devil! There are many other better modern translations, including NASB and ESV which are much closer to the original, and in current English! Compare KJV to reputable Bibles, OK?
While I have made it clear that I am not a KJV only, I would rather see the KJ in my Church's building than the infection that it currently has with NIV. About 90% of the bibles in the library are NIV (as well as 4 of 6 audio - 2 are KJ (cassette tapes) - No NASB or ESV (I have considered buying a NASB audio)) - and I am on board with ridding ourselves of this version. Our preacher uses it. It really frustrates me. While I know enough, most of the time, to know when he is off, there are those who don't.

Yes, I believe that a person can read the NIV and be saved, but Why? - It falls so short! I don't know the agenda of those translators, but it does seem like they may not have had the desire to be completely accurate.
 
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Well having studied a bit and being honest with History and the truth about the King James I have come to the following....

The reason it gets assaulted so much is at least five fold....

1. Because people worship the version instead of the God of the version
2. Because people believe that God would inspire 54 Episcopalians
3. Because it is a TRANSLATION and TRANSLITERATION copied almost VERBATIM from the first English BIBLE
4. Because it contains transliterated words that should have been translated
5. Because PEOPLE worship the King James Version

Just to name 5
Not one of your reasons is because of its veracity? That's weak, Dcon. That's why I read it. If I have any questions all I need do is refer back to Strongs for the true original language. How many other versions can you do that with?
 
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after a few seasons of intense study with an open and loving heart,
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pray, in an ernsest, and humble way, desiring to become whom
The Word has created and called us to be.

we become a part of The Book-The Word.
 

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I have a question. Why are there so many words that are not searchable? I know that CC won't write the Hebrew the way that it appears on the website I copied from, but you can still see how much is not underlined. Why can't I look at ALL of the words? Is it because they don't know what those words mean or because they don't think they're important?

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Back to the OP, since I have no strong feelings about who the American president is, etc.

The KJV is not under attack! In fact it is virtually ignored, except by the people that worship it! God has moved to modern English, corrected a lot of the mistakes in the KJV, in various Bibles, and made the Bible accessible for modern English speakers! And in literally thousands of other languages, at least parts!

I have read the Bible completely almost 50 times, including in French, Spanish, the New Testament in K Greek and a lot of the Old Testament in Hebrew. Despite getting an almost perfect 4.0 in Seminary when I graduated last year, I have never managed to read the KJV through from cover to cover, because I don't understand 16th or 17th century English! (I can never figure out why the KJV1611 was written over a century later, either!)

Greek and Hebrew are much easier to understand than a KJV Bible!

Take your old Bibles and go elsewhere. I am sick to death of people claiming a translation in a language not even used any more is the ONLY Bible, inspired and all the other garbage! Shoddy scholarship! That is what this KJV Only cult is all about!

PS I don't read the NIV so stop claiming it is the devil! There are many other better modern translations, including NASB and ESV which are much closer to the original, and in current English! Compare KJV to reputable Bibles, OK?
Wow that's an impressive resume. May I test you to see if you are as smart as you say you are?








 
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Have you ever realized that The KJV has been under attack. The NIV is not under attack nor is the Message bible nor is the NASB or some other translation. Why is the KJV under such scrutiny.

Your comments please.
because the devil gets angry when his lies are exposed.
thus he starts a strawman war.

No one is attacking king james Bible
that is something YOU invented - strawman argument.

I use the KJV all the time and it is the best study bible

But when people say all the other versions are not inspired then that is fanatacism.

before the KJV people had inspired bibles
the pilgrims did not use KJV and they had inspired geneva bible.
America was founded on the geneva Bible not the king james Bible.

When the twisting of the kjv Bible texts are exposed then they think their false doctrines are under attack.

people who think you are once saved always saved which are not true doctrines SAY the kjv is under attak
but they are just fanatics who want their false doctines

that is called STRAWMAN ARGUMENT

you invent something the other person says that is false,
then you beat it up and show that it is not true
and then you look lke you win an argument

The kjv is not under attack
any false doctrines is supposed to be under attack

that can only be invented from the false twisting of certain unclear bible verses are under attack.

the king james Bible is our best Bible, and if you actualy
READ IT AND BELIEVE it
you would find your doctrinal errors.

Sabbath is mentioned 850 times and sunday none
not once
so
read your Bible
read your king james Bible!
Believe it!
stop twisting words ok?


but the kjv committe were instructed b king hjames to
Kgive the Bible a twist so that they can support absolutely unbiblical doctrines sand these are the ones

1. ince saved always saved
2. predestination
3. souls live forever (they dont) unless you are saved
4. Sabbath is the day of rest not sunday
and

6 KNEEL DOWN to pray to Gd is a doctrine of the Bible this was all arding changed

king james used changed words that are NNOT CORRECT but that now can have 5 different meanings

and the last is divorce


Where the original king james version says DIVORCE
and all other translations say DIVORCE

the kjv changed the word DIVORCE to say
PUT AWAY

which allows people to argue that it isnet divorce they are talking about
but DEATH

Or SEPARATION
or TRAVELING
or NOT THINKING ABOUT ONE ANOTHER

why did they do this?

becasue king henry 8th divorced and all his children are ILLEGITIMATE
and so king james
an ILLIGITIMATE SON HAD to get rid of DIVORCE and make it ok to divorce

so they invented this

ONCE YOU ARE WAVED YOU ARE ALWAYS SSAVED< a little thig you do such as divorce doesnt remove kingship
and
Divorce is really ok because it doesnt mead divorce it means DEATH which king henry did 6 times with his wives/....

king henry was a prevert
he was a DIVORCEE
and he REMARRIED 6 times
and all his heris inculding the whole english monarchy is illigitimate


now that is hot news

it is not about kjv

it is about a english pervert king and his illigitimate sones.



so put your strawman away

the KJV is the word of God

the enlgish words use are the word of God

but the word choices allow armgument
false doctrine to exist
and allow
rediculaous doctrines to exist

(God does not torture beings for eternity, that is rediculaous
he is not marquis di sade/


so King james is not attacked

King HENRY is attacked

because he was a pervert.
 
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When we research other people's writings instead of doing our own personal research, we end up with tainted results. For example, if I were to research Pentecostalism, I won't use my denomination's books because they will filter out important information they don't believe.

It's the same thing with Kjv onlyists. They need to do their own personal research AWAY from other kjv'ers to find out all the facts. We 'others' know many facts like this because of our own research.

There have been people who got saved when they tried to disprove creationism, God, & other godly subjects, because they came to their own conclusions (by the help of God, of course). They couldn't deny the truth.

King James onlyism needs to be done the same way to see the truth about it.:)
 
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King james is the word of God and the greek original is absolutely true

the words in the kjv are true if you take them the right meanings

the word choices in KJV allow MUCH ARGUMENT when they could have picked words that would prevent any misinterpretation..
the false doctrine people love the king james because it is so easy to twist.


thats ok

i can take you king james and my king james and just look up the few twisted bible verses you use and show the real meanings of the words in king mjmaes and show you are twisting

it isnt hard

all you need is a concordance

look up ALL THE VERSES on that topic

then take the meaning of that twisted verse to match all the other verses in the bible

then you get the right meaning



for example divorce!

instead of saying the word DIVORCE

they CHANGED THE WORD FROM EARLIER VERSIONS and put in PUT AWAY

put away is still right

but NOW you can argue about what it means

it is that simple

it is still right

but you can really twist it if you want


how to overcome the twisty verses?

look u OTHER VERSES and show their interpretation of that verse is false and you shoule take it a different way

but the DEVIL knows most pople are not good studiers and when you start arguing they ignore you and follow their p[astors

which is a their doom

because the pastors want to make money sometimes and lie to keep order in the church

it is clear on divorce
all the pastors know what the Bible says
yet none go to their flocks and tell them the truth! why?
because the doctrine once saved always saved says it doesnt matter
and they believe it is righteous to hide the truth on divorce to keep the peace
they will perish also as will millions
it does matter
revelation says the last days will be separated according to the topic of belief on divorce
did you know that?
the wine of fornication of Babylon
a sweet wine
which all the churches got drunk with
and will not repent
no revelation says
they will not repent
and they are in adultery and God will through them into the lae of fire if they dont repent...

read revelatinon

it is important and it is here.


after all the plagues are done, it says thosw who didnt die from the plagues are left
here they are.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

here are the ones who dont commit adultery


2 Pet 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling souls who do not study: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2 Pet 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of commandment breaking;
2 Pet 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2 Pet 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2 Pet 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, (we are abrahams children once saved always saved) they allure through the lusts of the flesh (SEX), through much wantonness (CAROUSING DIVORCE), those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. (REMARRIAGE)
2 Pet 2:19 While they promise them liberty (FREEDOM FROM THE LAW),
they themselves are the servants of corruption (KEEP RIGHT ON SINNING): for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2 Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2 Pet 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness (THE CROSS AND SANCTIFICATION), than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment (thou shalt not commit adultery) delivered unto them.
2 Pet 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; (divorce and remarriage) and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
2 Pet 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 Pet 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2 Pet 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, (SEX ADULTERY DIVORCE)


you cna read the rest yourself..

We have been warned the sexual unstable would come to destroy all the churches.


Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.


hey

it is your children...
 
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Well having studied a bit and being honest with History and the truth about the King James I have come to the following....

The reason it gets assaulted so much is at least five fold....

1. Because people worship the version instead of the God of the version
2. Because people believe that God would inspire 54 Episcopalians
3. Because it is a TRANSLATION and TRANSLITERATION copied almost VERBATIM from the first English BIBLE
4. Because it contains transliterated words that should have been translated
5. Because PEOPLE worship the King James Version

Just to name 5
......And because people are constantly putting it out there as the one and only be all end all "perfect" word of God. It's akin to me going onto a guitar player forum and saying that Jimi Hendrix is the best guitar player in the world, and then getting uptight when all of a sudden there was a chorus of disagreement with me. If the KJV works for you...great...but it just simply is not the "best version in the world".
 
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Look the KJV was made because the Holy Spirit moved the heart of a king to translate the Latin into English.
Really?

King James didn't do any translating himself because he was too busy chasing witches.

So he told the translators to do it, and he told them to use the Bishops' Bible as the primary basis for the translation. The Bishops' Bible was the English translation read from in church services prior to the KJV.

Hebrew, Greek, and Latin manuscripts were consulted to resolve discrepancies, but again the Bishops' Bible was the primary basis for the KJV. Not the Vulgate (Latin).
 
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WHAT DID BALAAM TEACH the israelites that made them CURSED?

2 Pet 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling souls who do not study: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2 Pet 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of commandment breaking;
2 Pet 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

What did balaam do that brought the wrath of God on the church?

go read it

he sent in hookers to the camp of isreal

that is ALL HE DID

and the whole church fell

it is all about adultery and marriage fidelity that God will punish

In the book of Peter GOD HIMSELF SAID
he will punsih those who follow balaam

in infideltiry.

and what will the DEVIL do?

he will say divorce is OK!

would he not?

JESUS said it was not ok


in your wonderful true lovely RED LETTER EDITIONS o f the king james go look these up

they are in RED LETTERS

what does that mean?


"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:" -Matthew 5:27.


"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." -Matthew 5:28.


"But I say unto you, That whosoever shall DIVORCE his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." -Matthew 5:32.


"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall DIVORCE his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." -Matthew 19:9.


"He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness," -Matthew 19:18.


"And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall DIVORCE his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her." -Mark 10:11.


"And if a woman shall DIVORCE her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery." -Mark 10:12.


"Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother." -Mark 10:19.


"Whosoever DIVORCEs his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is DIVORCED from her husband committeth adultery." -Luke 16:18.


"Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother." -Luke 18:20.






so since Jesus says

NO DIVORCE

what does the devil say?

Devil says it is ok to divorce if they left the faith

no it is not.
 
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So

what does HOLLLYWOOD (devil) teach?
are there any DIVORCED people o TV or movies?
Is there any FORNICATION

another king james invented word

it SHOULD BE INFIDELITY TO YOUR WIFE

but they put in fornication so no one knows what it means.....

look it up

is there any INFIDELITY IS OK in hollywood on tv?

is there any SEX on tv?

thats the devil

you by the EYE of the devil
put it in your house
make your children watch this filth and make this perversion their BABY SITTER
and then you wonder why out of wedlock berth rates are the MAJORITY

be assured
YOU WILL BE PUNISHED for the loss of your children eternal life
and to make it all ok

the churches CHANGED
and say

oh its ok!


all confused all babylon

come out of that and throw the tv out

Psa 101:3 I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me.
Psa 101:4 A froward heart shall depart from me: I will not know a wicked person.
Psa 101:5 Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off: him that hath an high look and a proud heart will not I suffer.
Psa 101:6 Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me: he that walketh in a perfect way, he shall serve me.
Psa 101:7 He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight.
Psa 101:8 I will early destroy all the wicked of the land; that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the LORD.



God cannot lie

he said he would cut off the WHOLE LAND who did this stuff.

so what is happening now?
 
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Wow that's an impressive resume. May I test you to see if you are as smart as you say you are?



Why dont you judge yoursef to see if you are in the Bible or not?
 
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May I test you to see if you are as smart as you say you are?
Let me test you to see if you are smart as you say you are.

No doubt you have studied the Preface to the KJV, written by the translators themselves.

What was the stated objective of the translators?

Do you think they believed they were creating a "perfect" Bible?

If not, what do you think they believed they were creating, exactly?








 
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When we research other people's writings instead of doing our own personal research, we end up with tainted results. For example, if I were to research Pentecostalism, I won't use my denomination's books because they will filter out important information they don't believe.

It's the same thing with Kjv onlyists. They need to do their own personal research AWAY from other kjv'ers to find out all the facts. We 'others' know many facts like this because of our own research.

There have been people who got saved when they tried to disprove creationism, God, & other godly subjects, because they came to their own conclusions (by the help of God, of course). They couldn't deny the truth.

King James onlyism needs to be done the same way to see the truth about it.:)
I came to the conclusion that the KJV was the inerrant word God by reading the bible. I'm not a cult member as some like to call people who believe in the KJV. When I see blatant errors in the newer bibles, that's enough for me to know that they didn't come from God. I've been a KJV defender for several years and I have never seen anyone produce evidence of a contradiction or an error in the KJV. My bible is like my God, perfect, no spots, no corruptions. Funny how people give me a hard time because I believe that.
 
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Really?

King James didn't do any translating himself because he was too busy chasing witches.

So he told the translators to do it, and he told them to use the Bishops' Bible as the primary basis for the translation. The Bishops' Bible was the English translation read from in church services prior to the KJV.

Hebrew, Greek, and Latin manuscripts were consulted to resolve discrepancies, but again the Bishops' Bible was the primary basis for the KJV. Not the Vulgate (Latin).[/QUOTE




the geneva is inspired

the luther bible was inspired and kjv is inspired

before the king james 200 million lost their lives for their BISHOPS BIBLES
for the GENEVA bibles
for tynsdales bible

this picking a version as inspired is fstrawman argument again