Was the Law Your Tutor?

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phil112

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By saying we may not love the law, and slamming those who do over and over saying we may not believe in that part of scripture, you are creating a world open to demons to take over. They love all that talk. Anything against the word that God gives us.

Demons have now established covens in almost every town in America, this is helping. The law teaches us how to avoid sin, and demons live by the acceptance of sin in humans. Try repeating the ten commandments to a demon possessed individual, then you better stand back, just as repeating the ten commandments to one of these against loving law people would react to those words of scripture.
Where do you come up with stuff like this?
Exorcising spirits with the 10 commandments? What church do you go to that teaches stuff like this?
 
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There are many here in the law and you see perfectly the path God has set. Walk it always and I will be here waiting on you when you are passing by and that one day we are to be one voice in the kingdom together.
 
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Where do you come up with stuff like this?
Exorcising spirits with the 10 commandments? What church do you go to that teaches stuff like this?
Obviously she has no need of a church to lead her out to green pastures, no, she is lead by something that does not stand behind a podium or sit on a pew.
 

homwardbound

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Yep. Sadly very few people want to hear that, or hear how it can actually apply to our lives. Many people would rather just dismiss the notion all together instead of looking a little closer.
For some how you go about it, works for you and are at peace, for others it does not work this same way and are also at peace with God because of Son's finished work and do not care to take it for granted and just love back to all. you think.
The same as one prescribed pill for one from Doctor works for one and not another, true story
 

homwardbound

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Many of today's so called Christians say they believe the bible tells them that the Holy Spirit teaches against the law. Say the word law to them and they group together to fight. If you tell them the law came from God and is of God, they say that Christ cancelled it. They even quote Paul who stood up for law as telling them God put a curse on it. Paul, who was a Torah keeping Jew, told them no such thing, it takes twisting his words and ignoring much of his words to come up with such things of the devil.

These people use the Jewish race to back their ideas up. God used the Jewish race that God created in front of our eyes starting with Abraham from the gentiles. God did this for mankind, all mankind. He used their language to write His words to us in most of the bible. After other languages were used, God used people of the Jewish race steeped in Jewish culture for the last few pages of his word, like Paul. Now, in gentile's jealousy they say if God told this special race his words, He didn't mean it for us! So they refuse lots of scripture and tell us they are right to do it and people who believe God are wrong.

If they are called on any of this they say they are SO misunderstood. Then they teach their lessons on how to be opposed to God.
Sister, I see the problem is in the view, from the angle, one is seeing. The law is pure, Holy, righteous and it shows me my sinfulness, and I have learned to follow it and fail by it, showing me my imperfection that I am in, my flesh nature, that can't be perfect, not 100% and if I am in dependency on me, my carnal nature to become perfect, and ever think I have then I am in trouble, yet I believe to worship God in love by Spirit of God and in truth of thanksgiving and praise, seeing back to the cross, praising God, and thanking God, being identified to God as God's by God's Mercy, and do not forsake doing right unto others as led by God to do.
Which I see you do, and Jack along with Kohen Matt. And the others that think by Faith alone, yet that by itself is a law unto themselves
For me I thank God God identifies me as God's, and you and all that God accepts
 

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Please read chapter 11 of Romans. It blesses us with much on the subject of the Jews, the Gentiles, forgiveness, salvation, why the Jews disobeyed, why we disobey, the natural olive tree, the grafted in, the burned pruned branches, and much more.

Once decades ago I was told in a dream, "Now the Children of Israel were disobedient, and by their disobedience salvation was gained by the nations. I understood it then; I understand it now, and it is also here in Romans 11. Tremendous blessing as is the Word in general, amen. All glory to Yahweh, amen.
 

homwardbound

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As a result "we are not Christians" (neither "saved") (or worthy to BE SAVED, which is the best, in context).

¡Alabado sea Dios y nuestro Señor Jesucristo!
The result is if you do not believe God has saved you by Son, then you are not saved. If you believe you have to obey, and see you do not, which no one does or ever did since the first Adam, only Christ did (Second Adam), and not one after can ever be perfect in or out of works for it, one again can't be saved
If one believes they are saved by Christ's finished works and act like the Corinthians did, being still carnal, in need of meat, and are stuck on milk, not ready for the meat, using the Gospel for their self gain, are confused to truth in righteousness that only comes from God. read Hebrews 5:10-6:6. The milk to the meat if God will permit.

So bottom line there is taking for granted the grace, Mercy and forgiveness given by God to us all to have new life through Son in Spirit and truth, to love another unconditionally to turn from any of our sinful ways.
So whether one wants to try to obey ever concept of the Law, eat or not eat, observe one day above another, let that person be, for they give God thanks as well, and are God's

Does anyone think for one moment, the day you, me or anyone comes to God by Son and believes, that God will just leave us in the mud pit?
And are we all the same? yes in design, but not in thought for it is our thoughts that war

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So please you all, stop the carnal warfare between one another as if you are right and everyone else is wrong, ask God to see from God's view maybe, up to you?

[h=1]Romans 14 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h] 14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. [SUP]12 [/SUP]So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Let not then your good be evil spoken of: [SUP]17 [/SUP]for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.


This chapter is not only, exclusively about food, it was the issue at the time written, so was used to teach us all to walk in love to all, and to decide waht is well for you, between God and you, So let us all share between each other working out our own salvation with fear and trembling. As in phillipians

[h=1]Philippians 2:12-13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h] [SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.



Remember in Romans 14 one views every day alike and another views one day above another, in thius food chapter that is limited by calling it that, when it is much deeper
Romans 14:4, do we not beleive God or do we have to admonish one another as if I am right and you are wrong, attitudes of carnal nature, is that not baby talk?
 

JaumeJ

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I would love to paste the entire chapter here, but most do not like long posts. The chapter stresses loving all people, especially Jews whether they believe or not. According to God, Yahweh's promise, they will come around. Never lord it over Jews that you are saved, pray for them every day for the glory of God, amen.

Rom 11:27
This is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
Rom 11:28
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake, but as far as election is concerned, they are loved for the sake of their ancestors.
Rom 11:29
For God's gifts and calling never change.
Rom 11:30
For just as you disobeyed God in the past but now have received his mercy because of their disobedience,
Rom 11:31
so they, too, have now disobeyed. As a result, they may receive mercy because of the mercy shown to you.
Rom 11:32
For God has locked all people in the prison of their own disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Rom 11:33
O how deep are God's riches, and wisdom, and knowledge! How unfathomable are his decisions and unexplainable are his ways!
Rom 11:34
Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become his adviser?
Rom 11:35
Or who has given him something only to have him pay it back?"
Rom 11:36
For all things are from him, by him, and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen.
 

homwardbound

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If the law is our tutor, then what was to be learned of it by mankind?

THAT BY IT, NO FLESH IS JUSTIFIED.
Yep, truth, and so many are walking by grace and using Christ as their scape goat, oh I can sin, because I am forgiven, as the Corinthians did, that Paul admonished in 1 Corinthians to straighten out that heresy, that is amongst us all

So either one is in guilt and wants to not be or uses the grace, forgiveness to get away with sin. Yet all one day will stand before the throne and the books will be opened, and surprise, surprise, surprise its Gomer Pyle, USMC
Praying for that day to be soon as evil is rampant
 

homwardbound

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That is why we are told to first seek the kingdom. It is there that everlasting life is found. As it is now, we work to survive, pay bills, acquire what we want for ourselves or our children in an attempt if possible to gain the whole world by this process, only to go to the grave.

Where's the profit in that?
what makes you think redtent is not of God, or any others that believe to obey by love and do what they can in response to God, knowing by God they are saved are showing God and others their appreciation, not taking this salvation for granted or how do any of us think;
Hebrews 2:3
how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

There is no taking God for granted, well there is, but will not escape, or by being forgiven do we think we have escaped and can harm anyone, anytmne, anywhere we see fit to
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Is there a difference in taking this amazing salvation for granted, and appreciating it to God
And truthfully, is it God who knows who is who, time to be exposed, so maybe will repent and trust God all in all and quit making doctrine out of portions of the bible, and see the whole truth LOVE from God to us all, whether we are Jews or not
 

homwardbound

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Please read chapter 11 of Romans. It blesses us with much on the subject of the Jews, the Gentiles, forgiveness, salvation, why the Jews disobeyed, why we disobey, the natural olive tree, the grafted in, the burned pruned branches, and much more.

Once decades ago I was told in a dream, "Now the Children of Israel were disobedient, and by their disobedience salvation was gained by the nations. I understood it then; I understand it now, and it is also here in Romans 11. Tremendous blessing as is the Word in general, amen. All glory to Yahweh, amen.
Amen Brother and is one again, 1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1 always forever equals one. Thank you Jesus for bringing me home with Father and you as one here and now in Spirit and truth, forsaking flesh nature daily and learning daily what it means to walk in Spirit and truth in the resurrected Christ, Thank you

[h=3]Psalm 23[/h][h=4]A Psalm of David.[/h][SUP]1 [/SUP]The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
he leadeth me beside the still waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He restoreth my soul:
he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: for thou art with me;
thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies:
thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life:
and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
 

homwardbound

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Long posts not always bad, some read them if God drawn, brother

[h=1]Love from God through Son, the Christ[/h] [h=1]Romans 12:9-18New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]Love in Action[/h] [SUP]9 [/SUP]Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[SUP][a][/SUP] Do not be conceited.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. [SUP]18 [/SUP]If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
[h=1]Ephesians 5:1-5New International Version (NIV)[/h] 5 [SUP]1 [/SUP]Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children [SUP]2 [/SUP]and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[h=1]Philippians 2:3-5New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]3 [/SUP]Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, [SUP]4 [/SUP]not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
[h=1]Philippians 2:14-15New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]14 [/SUP]Do everything without grumbling or arguing, [SUP]15 [/SUP]so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.”[SUP][a][/SUP] Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky
[h=1]1 Thessalonians 5:15-22New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]15 [/SUP]Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Rejoice always, [SUP]17 [/SUP]pray continually, [SUP]18 [/SUP]give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Do not quench the Spirit. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Do not treat prophecies with contempt [SUP]21 [/SUP]but test them all; hold on to what is good, [SUP]22 [/SUP]reject every kind of evil.
[h=1]Hebrews 13:1-7New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]Concluding Exhortations[/h] 13 Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said,
“Never will I leave you;
never will I forsake you.”[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]6 [/SUP]So we say with confidence,
“The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid.
What can mere mortals do to me?”[SUP][b][/SUP]
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith.
[h=1]Hebrews 13:15-17New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]15 [/SUP]Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that openly profess his name. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you.
[h=1]1 John 2:15-17New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]On Not Loving the World[/h] [SUP]15 [/SUP]Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father[SUP][a][/SUP] is not in them. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. [SUP]17 [/SUP]The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
 
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Yes, it is. Or have you not learned that?

No matter what you do, or how "good" you think you are, you will die along with the person you may think is the scum of the earth.

He does tell you, but mankind is not listening. I don't care who you are, we as mankind share that common knowledge that we are going to die. Thus our goals should be to collectively find life, but we work for paychecks to fulfill our own individual lusts.
I am glad for you that you are able to hear God tell you these things, you are ignorant of so many things that God tells you, turning away from His voice, do bring the things you DO hear close to your heart. You seem to know it is only through Christ's blood you are saved.

You are like the Hebrews who followed Moses out from slavery (out from sin through the blood) but refused Moses when he brought the plates down the mountain. At least you are out from the bondage of sin through Christ, it is just you refuse to go further.
 
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Where do you come up with stuff like this?
Exorcising spirits with the 10 commandments? What church do you go to that teaches stuff like this?
It is only demons in you that could turn asking you not to deny big parts of scripture into "exorcising spirits with the 10 commandments". Please open your heart to Jesus!! He doesn't want you so deep in hate and opposed to the Father.
 
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what makes you think redtent is not of God, or any others that believe to obey by love and do what they can in response to God, knowing by God they are saved are showing God and others their appreciation, not taking this salvation for granted or how do any of us think;
Hebrews 2:3
how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

There is no taking God for granted, well there is, but will not escape, or by being forgiven do we think we have escaped and can harm anyone, anytmne, anywhere we see fit to
?

Is there a difference in taking this amazing salvation for granted, and appreciating it to God
And truthfully, is it God who knows who is who, time to be exposed, so maybe will repent and trust God all in all and quit making doctrine out of portions of the bible, and see the whole truth LOVE from God to us all, whether we are Jews or not
I never said that. I'm sure that my track record speaks for itself that I believe that all men are of God and return to Him. I am making a point as Daniel did when he understood.
 
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I am glad for you that you are able to hear God tell you these things, you are ignorant of so many things that God tells you, turning away from His voice, do bring the things you DO hear close to your heart. You seem to know it is only through Christ's blood you are saved.

You are like the Hebrews who followed Moses out from slavery (out from sin through the blood) but refused Moses when he brought the plates down the mountain. At least you are out from the bondage of sin through Christ, it is just you refuse to go further.
I pray we both see with our eyes the day I see in faith. Get rid of money and you will know true peace.
 

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I pray we both see with our eyes the day I see in faith. Get rid of money and you will know true peace.
I'm a little confused. What are you talking about regarding money? I don't see what the context is in your conversations with red about money?
 
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I pray we both see with our eyes the day I see in faith. Get rid of money and you will know true peace.
Did you get rid of all money? I have less income than my rent and food costs. I hope you will open those eyes of faith that you have to every one of the words of the Lord, not just some you pick out to hear. That is true faith.
 
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phil112

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It is only demons in you that could turn asking you not to deny big parts of scripture into "exorcising spirits with the 10 commandments". Please open your heart to Jesus!! He doesn't want you so deep in hate and opposed to the Father.
When you talk to me about my spiritual position, bring scripture, not seemingly hallucinogen induced ideas. What you just said has nothing to do with scripture or serving God.
Did you get rid of all money? I have less income than my rent and food costs. I hope you will open those eyes of faith that you have to every one of the words of the Lord, not just some you pick out to hear. That is true faith.
Hard to believe that you have 24/7/365 internet access and you can't pay bills. Someone is treating you well. I hope you have more respect for them than you do me.