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Bowman said:
Jews that accept The Son are called Christians.
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and Christians are called 'spiritual Jews'

Keep reminding God's people of these things.
Warn them before God against quarreling about words;
it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
(2 Timothy 2:14)

:) we won't stray far if we stick to the point that Jesus is the only way to inherit eternal life
 
posthuman said:
Bowman said:
Jews that accept The Son are called Christians.
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and Christians are called 'spiritual Jews'

Keep reminding God's people of these things.
Warn them before God against quarreling about words;
it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
(2 Timothy 2:14)

:) we won't stray far if we stick to the point that Jesus is the only way to inherit eternal life
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But the Jews who accept Jesus are not called "spiritual" Christians.

They're not the same.
 
Kerry said:
Actually in the NT it's called paradise. Jesus said to the theif today you will be with me in paradise. Jesus did not go to heaven at that time. He went to paradise and took the captivity captive. Then He remained on Earth for forty days teaching the apostles and then ascended into Heaven.
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Where do you think Moses was before Christ lived as a man? The New Testament tells of him, and Elijah, too. Why do you think so much of the OT is about atonement? What is atonement?
 
Modern day Jews are still idol worshippers like their forefathers were.

In the OT, it was the golden calf, and a whole myriad of carved and fabricated images over the millennia....and now they pray to a stone wall...
 
In Acts.. there were many Jews who had accepted Jesus as their Saviour. Early on in the New Testament.. a whole lot of the christians were Jews who recognised Jesus as the Messiah when He came.

Now, if someone now.. is Jewish AND into Judaism-- chances are they haven't received Jesus, since they are relying on keeping the Law, and are still waiting for a different Messiah than Jesus.

So Acts.. Jews who receive Christ... Galatians.. Jews who received Christ, following Jesus' faith in His churches who have Jews who are following the Law infecting them to try and go back to the Judaism way.

So.. a Jew will go to hell if they reject Jesus till the day they die. A Jew who received Christ.. no. They are going to heaven.

There is also a difference between Jewish people who are Jewish because of heritage and ethnicity.. and Jewish because they are into Judaism.
 
wattie said:
In Acts.. there were many Jews who had accepted Jesus as their Saviour. Early on in the New Testament.. a whole lot of the christians were Jews who recognised Jesus as the Messiah when He came.

Now, if someone now.. is Jewish AND into Judaism-- chances are they haven't received Jesus, since they are relying on keeping the Law, and are still waiting for a different Messiah than Jesus.

So Acts.. Jews who receive Christ... Galatians.. Jews who received Christ, following Jesus' faith in His churches who have Jews who are following the Law infecting them to try and go back to the Judaism way.

So.. a Jew will go to hell if they reject Jesus till the day they die. A Jew who received Christ.. no. They are going to heaven.

There is also a difference between Jewish people who are Jewish because of heritage and ethnicity.. and Jewish because they are into Judaism.
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You are not inside the head of the Jewish person who says Christ the gospels tell of was not the Christ the OT said would come, you really don't know what they believe. Nor do you know the Lord's plan for them. We are told their eyes are blinded for our sakes. I don't completely understand that, either, do you? We do know that many who say they are part of God's church deny much of what the Father taught, saying Christ taught to not believe everything the Father said, and we can know that isn't right. They do believe everything the Father says.

I don't think we can decide every way the Lord sees the "Jews", as you are lumping them into one way of believing. We can only obey as we are told, and that is to bless them so we will be blessed. We are to let the Lord judge them, we are not entitled to that privilege.
 
Bowman said:
Modern day Jews are still idol worshippers like their forefathers were.

In the OT, it was the golden calf, and a whole myriad of carved and fabricated images over the millennia....and now they pray to a stone wall...
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. It is poppycock to say they are praying to the stone wall without God involved. How would you like it if someone took a picture of you praying as you knelt on the benches before the altar and accused you of praying to the altar? We have these benches in our church, we would be outraged at anyone telling us we may not pray there.

The golden calf was used because people were used to having something their eyes could see when they contacted God, and God said don't DO that. In the Catholic church are many images of Christ.
 
RedTent said:
It is poppycock to say they are praying to the stone wall without God involved.
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Then, you believe that the stone wall is a medium through which the Jews reach God?

The ONLY medium between God and Man is Christ Jesus...NOT a stone wall...!





How would you like it if someone took a picture of you praying as you knelt on the benches before the altar and accused you of praying to the altar? We have these benches in our church, we would be outraged at anyone telling us we may not pray there.
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I don't pray to objects.

I pray to The Triune God of The Holy Bible...ANYWHERE....ANYTIME...in ANY direction...

Jews. however, make it a habit to give the nod to the stone wall.....no different than Muslims circling their kabba...








The golden calf was used because people were used to having something their eyes could see when they contacted God, and God said don't DO that. In the Catholic church are many images of Christ.
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Then they are idol worshippers!

The Torah clearly informs the reader NOT to make any graven image.
 
Bowman said:
[/B]Then, you believe that the stone wall is a medium through which the Jews reach God?
The ONLY medium between God and Man is Christ Jesus...NOT a stone wall...!I don't pray to objects.
I pray to The Triune God of The Holy Bible...ANYWHERE....ANYTIME...in ANY direction...

Jews. however, make it a habit to give the nod to the stone wall.....no different than Muslims circling their kabba...


Then they are idol worshippers!

The Torah clearly informs the reader NOT to make any graven image.
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Was it you or I said the stone wall was a medium? That is your rather presumptuous assumption. I pray before the altar, God lets me pray there. God lets the Jews pray to Him at the stone wall. If you have so little of God in you that you would use it as a "medium" that is your problem, don't put it on other people and then blame them. That is not only judging when you are not allowed to, but creating something out of whole cloth to blame them for, or false witness, and then judging that.
 
RedTent said:
Was it you or I said the stone wall was a medium? That is your rather presumptuous assumption. I pray before the altar, God lets me pray there. God lets the Jews pray to Him at the stone wall. If you have so little of God in you that you would use it as a "medium" that is your problem, don't put it on other people and then blame them. That is not only judging when you are not allowed to, but creating something out of whole cloth to blame them for, or false witness, and then judging that.
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The use of inanimate objects when praying can ONLY be viewed as mediums.

Where does the Jewish Tanak state to give the nod to a stone wall when praying to God?

The Lord's Prayer informs the reader to go into his bedroom and close the door and then pray in PRIVATE.

God has no need for you to pray to Him though a material medium...come on...
 
Bowman said:
The use of inanimate objects when praying can ONLY be viewed as mediums.

Where does the Jewish Tanak state to give the nod to a stone wall when praying to God?

The Lord's Prayer informs the reader to go into his bedroom and close the door and then pray in PRIVATE.

God has no need for you to pray to Him though a material medium...come on...
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Will that stone wall send them to hell? If not, then what's the point?
 
Bowman said:
The use of inanimate objects when praying can ONLY be viewed as mediums.

Where does the Jewish Tanak state to give the nod to a stone wall when praying to God?

The Lord's Prayer informs the reader to go into his bedroom and close the door and then pray in PRIVATE.

God has no need for you to pray to Him though a material medium...come on...[/QUOTE]When I pray in my bed at home, my bed is not a medium. When I am under my prayer shawl in prayer, my prayer shawl is NOT a medium. When I am kneeling before the altar at church, the bench I am kneeling on, or the altar is NOT a medium. Where are you when you pray? Is where you are your medium? If it is then that is you, others aren't like that.
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Bowman said:
The use of inanimate objects when praying can ONLY be viewed as mediums.

Where does the Jewish Tanak state to give the nod to a stone wall when praying to God?

The Lord's Prayer informs the reader to go into his bedroom and close the door and then pray in PRIVATE.

God has no need for you to pray to Him though a material medium...come on...[/QUOTE] To say that God says you may not pray in church or anywhere there are people around is not so. We are to pray continually. You are reading that out of context and making the way you understand it legalistic. We are to pray to the Lord and not for telling other people we are praying. I am allowed to, for instance, pray with my prayer group. I am sorry you restrict yourself so you can't do this, if you could put on Christ and read His words in spirit and truth you would be able to join with others in prayer.
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RedTent said:
When I pray in my bed at home, my bed is not a medium. When I am under my prayer shawl in prayer, my prayer shawl is NOT a medium. When I am kneeling before the altar at church, the bench I am kneeling on, or the altar is NOT a medium. Where are you when you pray? Is where you are your medium? If it is then that is you, others aren't like that.
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If you are Christian, then your Mediator is The Son.

Since Jews REJECT The Son, their mediator has turned into a medium of idols and stones, of which, has NO saving power whatsoever...
 
The Tanakh instructs all who believe to pray facing the Temple when there was one, whether the person praying be in a city in Israel away from Jerusalem or in a foreign country.

If those praying at the wall are obeying this instruction, there is no harm, however if they are giving credit to the stones, they are not praying in the spirit. Yahweh knows who does what.
 
JaumeJ said:
The Tanakh instructs all who believe to pray facing the Temple when there was one, whether the person praying be in a city in Israel away from Jerusalem or in a foreign country.

If those praying at the wall are obeying this instruction, there is no harm, however if they are giving credit to the stones, they are not praying in the spirit. Yahweh knows who does what.
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Scripture?
 
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