World now lives in "Post Thinking Era"

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I agree with this as well...after all the teachers coming online now were ultimately taught by ACID GURUS such as Timothy Leary....so what should we expect...he lets all take LSD and think that we know something and then pass that TRIPPY knowledge off as a college education.....

You know as a retired Machinist by trade I have dealt with like 50 engineers that were BOOK smart, but as dumb as a box of rocks when it came to COMMON SENSE!
 
I agree with this as well...after all the teachers coming online now were ultimately taught by ACID GURUS such as Timothy Leary....so what should we expect...he lets all take LSD and think that we know something and then pass that TRIPPY knowledge off as a college education.....

You know as a retired Machinist by trade I have dealt with like 50 engineers that were BOOK smart, but as dumb as a box of rocks when it came to COMMON SENSE!

yup. One thing though....I've stopped using the term common sense and have replaced it with good sense. As a whole, this world is sure in need of good sense, in virtually every nook and cranny of it.
 
right. it is amazing that some folks have all the education you can get, yet can't seem to get that 2 + 2 = 4 every time. every time.
 
aye, working it tech support I can confirm that real intelligence no longer exists :p
 
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right. it is amazing that some folks have all the education you can get, yet can't seem to get that 2 + 2 = 4 every time. every time.

But you are wrong. In a number system base on three fingers, 2+2=11. One based on four fingers 2+2=10.

Just a little food for thought. Sometimes things aren't as obvious as they appear. The number system that this computer works on has no 2 or 4, but it has a 10. Using it, look at what we can accomplish. Our Bible is based on the Word of God, yet we find ourselves often misinterpreting what we read. When we accept the fact that the only way to understand what we read is to study each scripture, we will find out that (just as each of the above illustrations can be translated into the number system based on 10 fingers that we learned when we were kids) we are able to understand what we read in the language that we speak.

My math lesson for today. One day I'll describe the study of Quantum Mechanics as relating to the study of the Bible. The time isn't right yet.

On the OP. Having worked in the engineering industry for many years, I believe that we are on the edge of a massive increase in the need for thinkers who can work outside the box. We are NOT entering a "Post Thinking Era". We are living in a "No Thinking Era". We are entering a "Thinking Revolution Era". Maybe it's time to get on board. I don't believe that God gave us this ability to learn, just to sit back and complain.
 
But you are wrong. In a number system base on three fingers, 2+2=11. One based on four fingers 2+2=10.

Just a little food for thought. Sometimes things aren't as obvious as they appear. The number system that this computer works on has no 2 or 4, but it has a 10. Using it, look at what we can accomplish. Our Bible is based on the Word of God, yet we find ourselves often misinterpreting what we read. When we accept the fact that the only way to understand what we read is to study each scripture, we will find out that (just as each of the above illustrations can be translated into the number system based on 10 fingers that we learned when we were kids) we are able to understand what we read in the language that we speak.

My math lesson for today. One day I'll describe the study of Quantum Mechanics as relating to the study of the Bible. The time isn't right yet.

On the OP. Having worked in the engineering industry for many years, I believe that we are on the edge of a massive increase in the need for thinkers who can work outside the box. We are NOT entering a "Post Thinking Era". We are living in a "No Thinking Era". We are entering a "Thinking Revolution Era". Maybe it's time to get on board. I don't believe that God gave us this ability to learn, just to sit back and complain.

Did read the article? In either case, I think the premise escaped your thinking.
 
Did read the article? In either case, I think the premise escaped your thinking.

I read the article. The premise didn't escape my thoughts. Our vision on most issues is so blurred by a political slant that I chose to address the fact that the solution is not as clear as we want to make it. As long as we approach the solution to our problems from this political slant, we are in a "No Thinking Era". God gave us the ability to solve problems, but we choose to sit back and complain or blame. We are entering a "Thinking Revolution Era". If we as Christians continue to live in the "No Thinking Era", the Gospel will never reach those who need it most. I choose to keep the Gospel message alive and relevant.

No 2+2 does not always equal 4.

How did God change the world every time that His people chose to keep Him in the solutions of it's problems?
 
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If the shoe fits......

"too many of our educational institutions seem to be creating artificial stupidity" (...)

When I attended university (years ago) all students in our university library were actually studying, reading books etc
When I visit the same library NOW (on occasion) I see mostly students transfixed by screens, gaming, social networking etc.
 
I read the article. The premise didn't escape my thoughts. Our vision on most issues is so blurred by a political slant that I chose to address the fact that the solution is not as clear as we want to make it. As long as we approach the solution to our problems from this political slant, we are in a "No Thinking Era". God gave us the ability to solve problems, but we choose to sit back and complain or blame. We are entering a "Thinking Revolution Era". If we as Christians continue to live in the "No Thinking Era", the Gospel will never reach those who need it most. I choose to keep the Gospel message alive and relevant.

No 2+2 does not always equal 4.

How did God change the world every time that His people chose to keep Him in the solutions of it's problems?

The US is currently 36th in the world in math science and reading. The fact is that we are losing the battle for the hearts and minds of our children as they are "educated" by left wing despots.

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The US is currently 36th in the world in math science and reading. The fact is that we are losing the battle for the hearts and minds of our children as they are "educated" by left wing despots.

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I'm well aware of where we are in the world in math, reading, and science, but I refuse to lay the blame on left wing despots. I live in one of the most conservative areas of Florida. We also have some of the most conservative teachers in the country. The scores here are no better than most of the country. I can take you to some school systems that are run by left wing zealots and show you schools that are producing some of the top engineers, math, science and technology students in the world. (by the way, I'm far from a left wing zealot) As one who has taught at the university level, I can tell you that there is one thing missing from the education of eighty percent of the students that I had in my classes. The title said more to me than the article, and the post that I replied to was an example of that. THEY COULD NOT THINK! They knew how to party though! (at least they thought so) IMHO the cause of this is politicizing the education process.

We (the Christian Right) are hung up on the basics (rote reading, math, and science) that should be taught in K-2 as the education standard. They (the far left) are hung up on the removal of all Christian belief from education. Here's the facts. If you can't look in your hand and know that you have the correct change (you have to count it to know you have the correct change), you are lost. If you can't sight read, (you have to read every word) you will never complete one of my assignments, let alone keep up with the changing technology. If you want to continuously debate creation or evolution, you will never get anything else done. As long as we say that it is the far left, or the far right that has the best path to education, we will be at the bottom of the list of developed nations. If you want some food for real thought, look at the political leanings of the countries that top the list of scores. You'll find some rather far left leaning countries.

Here's my suggestion. If we want to see a revival in American Education. That requires those of us who are Christian to apply the Godly principles that the scriptures teach us to our schools and workplaces. We must demonstrate that God's way is the best way. In my 50 plus years in the workplace, I met hundreds who claimed to be a Christian, but I can count those who demonstrated that they were , and were respected as such, by those who they worked with, on my fingers. When we leave the workplace, we must also demonstrate that God's way also works in our home. Does your neighbor call you a Christian? Do you participate in the education of your children? When's the last time you showed up at your local school, or volunteered to help at it? Wow! I wonder why people can't tell if they have the correct change by looking at the change in their hand. Are they teaching trig to fourth graders? Can the students in middle school look at a picture or a page of text and tell you what's in it? God expects us to be involved in, not a sideline complainer. Besides, it's your tax dollars that are paying for the education of the student. The children, and young adults won't be assembling gadgets, or flipping burgers. (A short aside. In 1982, I was on a design team that was building a system to repair a complex industrial system using AI and Fuzzy Math. The system was partially implemented in 1998.) Finally, in this ever more complex world, we must be able to demonstrate to the world that God is the most important part of it.

Do you want to improve the world today? Make the Christian the heart of it. Christ may return today, or it may be a million years from now. Are you going to hide you talent in the ground, or are you going to use it to improve the world?
 
I'm well aware of where we are in the world in math, reading, and science, but I refuse to lay the blame on left wing despots. I live in one of the most conservative areas of Florida. We also have some of the most conservative teachers in the country. The scores here are no better than most of the country. I can take you to some school systems that are run by left wing zealots and show you schools that are producing some of the top engineers, math, science and technology students in the world. (by the way, I'm far from a left wing zealot) As one who has taught at the university level, I can tell you that there is one thing missing from the education of eighty percent of the students that I had in my classes. The title said more to me than the article, and the post that I replied to was an example of that. THEY COULD NOT THINK! They knew how to party though! (at least they thought so) IMHO the cause of this is politicizing the education process.

We (the Christian Right) are hung up on the basics (rote reading, math, and science) that should be taught in K-2 as the education standard. They (the far left) are hung up on the removal of all Christian belief from education. Here's the facts. If you can't look in your hand and know that you have the correct change (you have to count it to know you have the correct change), you are lost. If you can't sight read, (you have to read every word) you will never complete one of my assignments, let alone keep up with the changing technology. If you want to continuously debate creation or evolution, you will never get anything else done. As long as we say that it is the far left, or the far right that has the best path to education, we will be at the bottom of the list of developed nations. If you want some food for real thought, look at the political leanings of the countries that top the list of scores. You'll find some rather far left leaning countries.

Here's my suggestion. If we want to see a revival in American Education. That requires those of us who are Christian to apply the Godly principles that the scriptures teach us to our schools and workplaces. We must demonstrate that God's way is the best way. In my 50 plus years in the workplace, I met hundreds who claimed to be a Christian, but I can count those who demonstrated that they were , and were respected as such, by those who they worked with, on my fingers. When we leave the workplace, we must also demonstrate that God's way also works in our home. Does your neighbor call you a Christian? Do you participate in the education of your children? When's the last time you showed up at your local school, or volunteered to help at it? Wow! I wonder why people can't tell if they have the correct change by looking at the change in their hand. Are they teaching trig to fourth graders? Can the students in middle school look at a picture or a page of text and tell you what's in it? God expects us to be involved in, not a sideline complainer. Besides, it's your tax dollars that are paying for the education of the student. The children, and young adults won't be assembling gadgets, or flipping burgers. (A short aside. In 1982, I was on a design team that was building a system to repair a complex industrial system using AI and Fuzzy Math. The system was partially implemented in 1998.) Finally, in this ever more complex world, we must be able to demonstrate to the world that God is the most important part of it.

Do you want to improve the world today? Make the Christian the heart of it. Christ may return today, or it may be a million years from now. Are you going to hide you talent in the ground, or are you going to use it to improve the world?

The "cause" is govt control of the process. As far as your insinuation that I sit on the sidelines and complain about the world....pfff. I'm not even gonna dignify it with a response.
 
The "cause" is govt control of the process. As far as your insinuation that I sit on the sidelines and complain about the world....pfff. I'm not even gonna dignify it with a response.

I apologize if I insinuated that you are sitting on the sidelines and complain about the world. That was not my intention.

Where we disagree is at the root cause of the poor scores of the our country when compared to other countries. You blame it on "Government Control" and I blame it on the "Politicization" of education. While we argue the details of government and political control, (both are valid arguments) our children's scores when compared to the remainder of the world continue to fall. (an aside. The last engineering position that I advertised before I retired had 5 qualified applicants. Four of them were foreign citizens, and three of them were educated in foreign countries - I left the business 12+ years ago) When I retired, I began to study the failure of my local school system. One of the two consistencies through-out was that the most incompetent teachers had political connections. The other was teachers who couldn't pass the EOCEs (standardized end of course exams) without the answer key. If a school board member wanted to be re-elected, it was suicide to try to fire one of these teachers. It's not "government control" that is killing our education system. It's political connections.

I'm 72 years old. I graduated from one of the top academic high schools in the country, after moving to it at the beginning of the eleventh grade from my current community. The schools were ran by the government, and my education was second to no other country. The difference. There was no political agenda controlling what was being taught. The job market demand did. The government made sure that the teachers were qualified to teach, instead of providing politically approved lesson plans. It also made sure that they were paid, and continued their education in the fields that they taught. I will also add that God was a part of the everyday life of the students, and parents demonstrated total support for the teachers and the students.

My last comment was addressed to all Christians, and I stand by it. If we want to improve the world, we must make Christ the heart of it. Most Christians today take their talents and hide them, or use them for self gain. The Apostle Paul took his talent for tent making, and established churches in a large part of the world. When politics entered the church, what happened to the world?

Please don't take this as an insult. It is my opinion, and I very much respect your right to disagree with me.
 
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Of course there are always exceptions to the rule, however myself owning a small business as well as many friends who do, quality people in the work force with a decent work ethic are few and far between. A person without a cesspool of personal problems and a good work ethic is very hard to find.....and that's not even considering finding someone who can reason or logically think their way out of a wet paper bag.
 
Of course there are always exceptions to the rule, however myself owning a small business as well as many friends who do, quality people in the work force with a decent work ethic are few and far between. A person without a cesspool of personal problems and a good work ethic is very hard to find.....and that's not even considering finding someone who can reason or logically think their way out of a wet paper bag.

I understand to quality worker problem. I've been there, done that, and don't want to go back to looking for them.

I also believe that for the most part, we are living in "a no thinking era".

I know that we are entering a "thinking revolution era". By that I mean that the thought process is by necessity went through a revolution. I've been on the front line as a worker, repairman, designer, builder, manager, and owner in the technology industry. The project that I described earlier lasted over 20 years, and was obsolete before it could ever be completely implemented. Today the life cycle of a technology product from idea to grave is five years. If you test each piece of a product design (as we did when I started out), you will never realize a profit. You take the best thinkers that you can find, show them the complete design, and implement their recommendations, test the end product, and put it on the market. People who enter the job market, expecting to spend their time logically thinking their way through a product design, will soon find themselves looking for work. Just a short aside, people here earn six figures. The sad thing is that in the US we find a resistance of local school districts (lack of teachers who are qualified to teach the core skills to perform at the above level) and the people of the local communities because it is a drastic change to the way they were taught. The political establishment has sunk it's teeth in this lack of understanding, and fill the school systems with cronies that resist at every level.
 
I understand to quality worker problem. I've been there, done that, and don't want to go back to looking for them.

I also believe that for the most part, we are living in "a no thinking era".

I know that we are entering a "thinking revolution era". By that I mean that the thought process is by necessity went through a revolution. I've been on the front line as a worker, repairman, designer, builder, manager, and owner in the technology industry. The project that I described earlier lasted over 20 years, and was obsolete before it could ever be completely implemented. Today the life cycle of a technology product from idea to grave is five years. If you test each piece of a product design (as we did when I started out), you will never realize a profit. You take the best thinkers that you can find, show them the complete design, and implement their recommendations, test the end product, and put it on the market. People who enter the job market, expecting to spend their time logically thinking their way through a product design, will soon find themselves looking for work. Just a short aside, people here earn six figures. The sad thing is that in the US we find a resistance of local school districts (lack of teachers who are qualified to teach the core skills to perform at the above level) and the people of the local communities because it is a drastic change to the way they were taught. The political establishment has sunk it's teeth in this lack of understanding, and fill the school systems with cronies that resist at every level.

Im picking up what you're throwing down but I am not as optimistic in the human race as you are. We live in an era of TMZ and putting people who are unworthy of such worship on a pedestal. We go to a rock concert or a sports event and scream our brains out and then on Sunday go to church and stand there with our hands in our pockets. We elect leaders like a victim stays with an abusive spouse.

There was was a scientist, don't recall his name, but he postulated that we were on the verge of either destroying ourselves or would become a "level 2 society". In that a level 1 was able to utilize the resources of the home planet, a level 2 would utilize the resources of the solar system and level 3, the universe. I sometimes ponder this and wonder what was Gods plan in the beginning in regards to this. Is this the knowledge that was a result of the fall, or would this knowledge have been a natural progression of humankind within Gods economy....or....would we have stayed naked in a perfect environment with The Lord providing to our every need with no need of technology at all.
 
I rest my case...

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