Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?

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Never gathered on sunday? i find that kind of hard to believe.
 

iamsoandso

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First of all unless you understand the war over worship and how Satan desires to be worshiped you will never see the changes that were made to God Law and times and how they were made.

If you want an understanding of how the early church didn't gather on the first day of the week you will have study hard. If you go here,
Who Changed God's Law and scroll down until you come to "Didn't the early church gather on the first day of the week?" read through it and you will see how the subtle changes were made to change God's Law and times.
mia ton,,,,those two words were added to 16;2 ? Mark 16 Interlinear Bible
 

Apostol2013

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I don't understand why most Christians believe that one should obey 9 of the 10 commandments and forget the commandment that begins with the word(remember)
Well the ten commandments are a given when we operate in the spirit not as moses law but as Christ ordained it , do you know moses law then you would see that is not How we observe a sabbath , one we don't stop working but carry on like any other day unless your living under a Hebrew community then it would make sense to obey local laws but our sabbatton is in Jesus Christ in His covenant which we refrain from evil forever , forever abiding in righteousness a true everlasting eternal covenant .
 

iamsoandso

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mia ton,,mia ton,,,hmm seems like some Greek experts could just Google this and get to the bottom of it,,,,
 
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All the above are Pagan practices...

scuba...do you not worship God on Sunday?
or is it wrong to worship God on Sunday?
I worship God 7/24/365 but we also have to keep in mind that honoring the seventh day is also an act of worship just like not worshiping other gods is an act of worship.
 
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How do you think God feels when you say amen to changing God's holy day to the Venerable Day of the Sun? Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath and it's not Sunday. How do you feel about that?
 

vic1980

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Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus taught this.

Romans 13


Love Fulfills the Law

8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

There nothing here on keeping the fourth commandment Scuba

What exatly does the word Commandment mean .

Down below meaning in Hebrew

4687. mitsvah


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
which was commanded, law, ordinance, precept
From tsavah; a command, whether human or divine (collectively, the Law) -- (which was) commanded(-ment), law, ordinance, precept.

What did Paul a Apostle of Jesus Christ teach on law.

Romans 13:9-10

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So does love fullfill God commandment laws or does it not scuba in your eyes ???

God Bless

 
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Paul was a Sabbath keeper along with Jesus and the early church.
Paul said it didn't matter. What do you think about that??????????

I worship God 7/24/365 but we also have to keep in mind that honoring the seventh day is also an act of worship just like not worshiping other gods is an act of worship.
Slaughtering animals on the altar was also an act of worship. Stop picking and choosing. Neither of them was ever meant for you or I to do.
 

vic1980

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Sorry for double post forgot to put your quote.

First of all unless you understand the war over worship and how Satan desires to be worshiped you will never see the changes that were made to God Law and times and how they were made.

Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus taught this.

Romans 13


Love Fulfills the Law

8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

There nothing here on keeping the fourth commandment Scuba

What exatly does the word Commandment mean .

Down below meaning in Hebrew

4687. mitsvah


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
which was commanded, law, ordinance, precept
From tsavah; a command, whether human or divine (collectively, the Law) -- (which was) commanded(-ment), law, ordinance, precept.

What did Paul a Apostle of Jesus Christ teach on law.

Romans 13:9-10

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So does love fullfill God commandment laws or does it not scuba in your eyes ??? Do you belive Paul ?

God Bless
 
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Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus taught this.

Romans 13


Love Fulfills the Law

8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

There nothing here on keeping the fourth commandment Scuba

What exatly does the word Commandment mean .

Down below meaning in Hebrew

4687. mitsvah


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
which was commanded, law, ordinance, precept
From tsavah; a command, whether human or divine (collectively, the Law) -- (which was) commanded(-ment), law, ordinance, precept.

What did Paul a Apostle of Jesus Christ teach on law.

Romans 13:9-10

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So does love fullfill God commandment laws or does it not scuba in your eyes ???

God Bless

The Ten Commandments define love towards God and man. The first four teach us love towards God and the last six teach us love towards others. Anyone who has even a little Bible knowledge knows that if you start quoting the Ten Commandments all you have to do is quote a few and they know exactly what you're referring to. Jesus did the same thing a few times. So the Sabbath was defiantly in Paul's quote in Romans 13:9. We know this because he qualifies all ten by saying, "And if there be any other commandment". That being the Sabbath, not worshiping other gods, honoring your mother and father and so on.

Romans 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Check out this translation it might help to better understand what Paul was saying.

Romans 13:9 Living Bible (TLB) If you love your neighbor as much as you love yourself you will not want to harm or cheat him, or kill him or steal from him. And you won’t sin with his wife or want what is his, or do anything else the Ten Commandments say is wrong. All ten are wrapped up in this one, to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
 

vic1980

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All ten are wrapped up in this one, to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
So does love fullfill God commandment laws or does it not scuba in your eyes ???
 
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So does love fullfill God commandment laws or does it not scuba in your eyes ???
When you're saved and in love with God you will look like someone who is keeping the Ten Commandments because the Ten Commandments define godly love. You can't say that you love God yet be worshiping other gods or profaning His name. In the same way, I can't say that I love my wife yet be cheating of her. Love is a neutral force that must be defined and controlled by God. Love can attach itself to ungody things just as easy as it can attach itself to godly things. God defines how He wants our love to be expressed. The Ten Commandments only define love, they don't produce love.
 

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How do you think God feels when you say amen to changing God's holy day to the Venerable Day of the Sun? Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath and it's not Sunday. How do you feel about that?
how do you think He feels when His children are attacked for saying AMEN! to worshiping Him every day?
 
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how do you think He feels when His children are attacked for saying AMEN! to worshiping Him every day?
The foundation of true worship is obedience to His commandments. So I say, Amen! to worshiping Him everyday in that we obey Him day by day moment by moment and I say, Amen! to honoring the seventh day as being part of worshiping Him through obedience.
 

vic1980

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When you're saved and in love with God you will look like someone who is keeping the Ten Commandments because the Ten Commandments define godly love. You can't say that you love God yet be worshiping other gods or profaning His name. In the same way, I can't say that I love my wife yet be cheating of her. Love is a neutral force that must be defined and controlled by God. Love can attach itself to ungody things just as easy as it can attach itself to godly things. God defines how He wants our love to be expressed. The Ten Commandments only define love, they don't produce love.
Question Scuba, what beliver in Jesus Christ are worshiping other Gods, and profaning His name? the ten commandments define love hmm... love has nothing to do with keeping sabbath day, let us read Jesus words.

Blue = Rich young Man

Red = Jesus said to him

Green = Paul or John

Matthew 19


The Rich Young Man
16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.


Messiah Himself taught the young man His commandment starting on verse 18 , Jesus told the young man everything he needed to obtain eternal Life.

Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus taught this.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Galatians 5:23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Jesus taught the Greatest commandments

Matthew 22:36-40

Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


So since this is the Lord teaching , How does one Love the Lord thy God, Here another teaching Jesus Himself taught.

John 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

So now onto our neighbour, How exactly do we fullfill , Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Once again Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus taught this.

Romans 13

Love Fulfills the Law

8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Thee apostle John taught this

1 John 4:6

We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Love Comes from God

7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.


Now the Messiah Jesus Christ taught this, these verse were the works , the young rich man rejected.

Matthew 25:35-36

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

4Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

So the commandment , Jesus Christ commanded where according to Matthew 19:18-21. These are the very same commandment He was speaking upon when he said if you love me keep my commandments John 14:15

Matthew 19:18-21

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.


Now one can have a better understanding on the rest God promise

Matthew 11:28

28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

God Bless hope this is helpful, there no commandment Jesus taught or the Apostles to uphold the fourth commandment.

 

vic1980

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Sorry for the Long post everyone, but i hope someone read it entirely.


John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

God Bless
 

vic1980

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Sorry for the Long post everyone, but i hope someone read it entirely.


John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

God Bless
John 13:34-35

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Jesus did not give a command to keep the fourth commandment, This is a new covenant that was promise by God. We know His commandments Matthew 19:18-21 & John 13:34-35

God Bless
 
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who cares that was of the old covenant we are not bond to that any more
 

watcher2013

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All the above are Pagan practices...

scuba...do you not worship God on Sunday?
or is it wrong to worship God on Sunday?
I worship God 7/24/365 but we also have to keep in mind that honoring the seventh day is also an act of worship just like not worshiping other gods is an act of worship.
If you worship God on Sunday... and let us say the majority of us here worship God on Sunday....

Then there is no wrong if everyone is available on Sunday and gathers in one place to have fellowship and worship God with praises.

and regarding Sabbath..it can be observed also where ever you lived.