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phil112
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Are you telling me we should tear out the books that Paul authored? The only thing I have changed is my sinful ways.
Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?
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Gal 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal 1:11
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal 1:11
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Äs Paul teaches, he received the gospel in revelation directly from Jesus Christ. Also as Paul teaches, the gospel is only the one from Jesus Christ, the same as our Lord gave personally.
I fear there are many who have become cultist in regard to Paul's teachings putting a differnt meaning on them than what he was actually sharing, for his gospel is the same gospel as that of Jesus Christ, for there is no other gospel.
When I share what I have been given by the grace of God to understand, I share from believing all of the Word, that is the Bible. Paul is a very small part of the study, albeit important as all of the rest.
When a person is sharing from the Old Testament, it is only because what is being conveyed is from the Old Testament, and so it is with the New Testament.
Jesus Christ, Himself, teaches if you knew Moses and the prophets, you would know Him, for Moses and the prophets wrote of Jesus Christ.
Many who share in the CC Forums do indeed know Moses and the prophets in the regard Jesus Christ mentions, thus we are obliged by the gift of faith to share all, not just part.
I am not here in the name of any organized religion, no, I come here in the spirit of sharing the Word in spirit and truth. If anyone wishes to make this some kind of "match," I am afraid I back out in the name of peace and the Prince of Peace.
I fear there are many who have become cultist in regard to Paul's teachings putting a differnt meaning on them than what he was actually sharing, for his gospel is the same gospel as that of Jesus Christ, for there is no other gospel.
When I share what I have been given by the grace of God to understand, I share from believing all of the Word, that is the Bible. Paul is a very small part of the study, albeit important as all of the rest.
When a person is sharing from the Old Testament, it is only because what is being conveyed is from the Old Testament, and so it is with the New Testament.
Jesus Christ, Himself, teaches if you knew Moses and the prophets, you would know Him, for Moses and the prophets wrote of Jesus Christ.
Many who share in the CC Forums do indeed know Moses and the prophets in the regard Jesus Christ mentions, thus we are obliged by the gift of faith to share all, not just part.
I am not here in the name of any organized religion, no, I come here in the spirit of sharing the Word in spirit and truth. If anyone wishes to make this some kind of "match," I am afraid I back out in the name of peace and the Prince of Peace.
Did you know that jesus is our ultimate sabbaton of sabbaton that evil shall not have residence in us but we have all dominion to live a Holy life .
Yes with the Spirit of Yeweh and Yeshua in the lead you 100% correct, and then truth is unveiled pure/ So learning to be God's vessel only to be used as the same as in the day of Pentecost and thhe day Peter entered the House of the Gentile and God did the speaking not man
As I said, it is your prerogative in what you want to believe. Nobody will be able to change your view as it has already been fixed in stone. Good luck with your future.that is wise, because Paul was unequivocal saying "don't let anyone judge you" over a Sabbath day, and i don't see how anyone can in good conscience directly contradict the scripture and claim to speak from the Spirit
permit me though to "waste" your time with the Truth.
sure!! but what commandment? it's my turn to cry "context context"
But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness.
Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ....
(1 Timothy 6:11-14)
what commandment? to "Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness."
where does Paul say "Sabbath" ? he says it when writing to Colossi, telling them not to let anyone judge them over a sabbath day. he does not mention the word in his letter to Timothy. if Paul wrote the book of Hebrews (i think it was Apollos, but it's immaterial) then he also mentions the Sabbath saying that Christ has revealed the true Sabbath to us, in contrast to the shadow of Truth found in the law of Moses.
it is also written that circumcision should be a sign for Israel for generations (Genesis 17:12).
have you read what the apostles taught about this sign with regards to gentile believers seeking God?
our hearts must be circumcised, not our bodies. is it sin then to be circumcised in the flesh? not of itself, but if you do it as a sign of a covenant, you place yourself under the whole covenant - and are liable to the entire law!
the true Sabbath of God is to cease from our labors and enter His rest. this is why we are baptized into Christ's death, to rise again in His redemption, and to put away all the things of the flesh, resting in His salvation. i am convinced in my own mind, and i don't fault anyone who honors a Saturday or a Sunday or a Friday - if anyone honors a day, let them honor it to God. it is not for me or for you that any of us should supplicate ourselves, but to God.
i don't force anyone to meet on Sunday in particular. like the author of Hebrews, i think it's wise for us to meet together, whenever that we can - here in this country it is usually Sunday by force of tradition. but as i said earlier, if my brothers meet Monday, i will go to them Monday, if Thursday, then Thursday - and this is not to "keep the sabbath" or to "change the times" -- it is to put my hand to the plow when the field is ready to be worked. even this i don't "force" anyone to do.
Let us not forget. The first Sabbath was the first seventh day of creation, and Adam and Eve were the only two people there and God said to them 'Remember the Sabbath'. The Commandments were there from the 'beginning' and you can get that from the Bible. The Sabbath was not given to the Jews or anybody specifically, but to mankind, that is to everybody. If you want to pin the Sabbath to the Jews, alone, then you as a Christian, can tear out the Commandments out of your bible as it does not apply to you. God gave Ten Commandments and not nine or eight or less, but ten, also symbolizing completeness, to mankind. Who are we to say that God did not intend to give the Commandments to mankind or not. Jesus Christ came from God to instruct mankind what is right and wrong and to point them to the right direction to God. The Commandments is this roadmap to God. Those are the rules you have to obey. I do not for one moment say that if you hold the Commandments WITHOUT being a child of God and has accepted Jesus Christ in your life, that it is ok and you will go to heaven. You have to accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God as your Savior and to follow that path to God and not through any other entity ie. Mary. To ignore what Jesus has said and lived out, has much more value than what anybody else has said on this earth. If Paul referred to the Sabbath not being important to man in certain cases, he was in fact referring to special Sabbaths. In fact, Jesus Christ was crucified on the day before such a special Sabbath, which happened to be on a Thursday. That might be another shocker to you to debate about. I do not get brainwashed by pastors ministers and the pope to believe their ancient doctrines which all differ from each other. We need to search for the truth ourselves and by searching the Bible ourselves and by discussing it in a proper manner, we will find the truth, but to try and find the negative in everything that somebody writes, I believe that you will never find the real truth as Satan is the master of deception and as long as you are being negative about other peoples writing, then perhaps you are in his camp.
Totally unsupported by the scriptures. You are making all this up to support a preconceived conclusion.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Provide me with scriptures that I am wrong and I will provide you with scriptures to prove every statement that I made.
Provide me with scriptures that I am wrong and I will provide you with scriptures to prove every statement that I made.
Provide me with scriptures that I am wrong and I will provide you with scriptures to prove every statement that I made.
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Kaycie
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The Sabbath Day and the Lord's Day are two different things. The Sabbath Day (Saturday) was for those under the old testament. The Lord's Day (Sunday) is for those under the new testament. The Sabbath was to celebrate a finished creation. The Lord's Day is to celebrate a finished redemption. The Lord rose from the dead on a Sunday morning- making us all free. On Sunday we are commanded to give as we've been prospered, take the Lord's Supper, listen to a reading from God's holy word, and praise Him in song. Hmm, sounds like church service to me. Although the new testament speaks of a Sabbath rest with God in heaven forever, we are not under the physical laws of Moses- including the keeping of the Sabbath day on Saturdays. (Romans 7:1-4, Matthew 28:18).
Don't need to go beyond the first scripture you reference without actually quoting it. Eve was not created before the seventh day when God rested. Adam yes but Eve nope.
I suggest you read out of the scriptures not into them. Don't tell God what He is saying but let Him tell you what He is saying.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Please provide the text that you refer to regarding "Sabbath Rest" in the NT that links Sunday to it. Also the text to prove that Jesus was resurrected on the Sunday morning. I am also referring to God's law and NOT Moses's law.
Again I have said, if you want to argue with me, bring the facts. I will give you a fact. Read Gen 1:26-27 and you will notice that ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED and that was before Sabbath. Please don't waste my time.
yes there is no command in new testament to have a sabbath rest on sunday,
and the bible says Jesus was risen before there was any light, still dark out.
the fact no one saw him rise after dark the evening before,
does not equal sunrise service
Yes, you are quite right. The hour of worship on a Sunday was brought in in the year 325 AD by the Roman emperor Constantine to cater for the sun-worshipers who became Christians, so that it will be convenient for them to move from one premises to the other like people are moving between churches today. The fact that the grave was empty when Mary got to the grave give us an indication that the resurrection took place before the time. I have a theory that Jesus Christ was resurrected on the Sabbath afternoon. Because of the Jews' tradition to do absolutely nothing on a Sabbath and could not walk around, they only went to the grave the next day, Sunday, to find it empty.
sorry i have to disagree on the subject.
Sabbath day was made for man at creation.
the bible does not say the Lords day is sunday.
the bible says our Lord did not rise on sunday sunrise, but before any light.
take the Lords supper where he commanded us to keep feast of unleavened bread.
and (Romans 7:1-4, Matthew 28:18). does not do away with the Sabbath of our Lord.
where is the command to observe Christs reseraction on sunday ?
there is non
Sabbath day was made for man at creation.
the bible does not say the Lords day is sunday.
the bible says our Lord did not rise on sunday sunrise, but before any light.
take the Lords supper where he commanded us to keep feast of unleavened bread.
and (Romans 7:1-4, Matthew 28:18). does not do away with the Sabbath of our Lord.
where is the command to observe Christs reseraction on sunday ?
there is non
Has it occurred to some that things are written down for God's children to do so they have some kind of structure to their lives in Jesus Christ?
If the Father, any father, did not let his children know what is expected of them it would be a pretty chaotic existence, now, would it not?
Of course to children who are led to be disobedient it probably does not matter.
Blessed be our God and Father for His direction; I know of no other source for such wisdom, amen.
If the Father, any father, did not let his children know what is expected of them it would be a pretty chaotic existence, now, would it not?
Of course to children who are led to be disobedient it probably does not matter.
Blessed be our God and Father for His direction; I know of no other source for such wisdom, amen.
