Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?
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Frank I appreciate you, and your truth "truth from frank" is your truth, and if you are at peace in this, great. please though just share s others are,, and decide what fits you in your relationship between God and you. Putting others on the spot as provide me this or that scripture, and you will tear it up so to speak, is not s what I see Love from God though you. Just am asking you to be a little more temperate. Others as you do, have their rights to their views as well, and she made a great point I her view, an if you have read the scripture in whole you would see the whole of what she said about the Sabbath and the Lord's day
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Re: three days three nights
yes by Gods calander, a day started at dark in the evening before,
it was rome who changed time and seasons like God said it would.
the bible has at least 3 witnesses that said his physical body be and was 3 days 3 nights in the earth.
we know he was laid to rest in tomb right at dusk, on the end of passover.
so 3 days later would be right at dusk and dark on 3rd day.
people observe easter sunrise, but no command to do so,
and Jesus rose in the dark, not on sunday morning at daylight sunrise.
but we are told to hold feast of unleavened bread to celebrate Christs blood.
unleavened bread was a high Holy day before sabbath,
people miss take it for the Sabbath of saturday that year.
there was both a high holy day of unleavened bread, and a 7th day Sabbath while Jesus was in the grave.
yes by Gods calander, a day started at dark in the evening before,
it was rome who changed time and seasons like God said it would.
the bible has at least 3 witnesses that said his physical body be and was 3 days 3 nights in the earth.
we know he was laid to rest in tomb right at dusk, on the end of passover.
so 3 days later would be right at dusk and dark on 3rd day.
people observe easter sunrise, but no command to do so,
and Jesus rose in the dark, not on sunday morning at daylight sunrise.
but we are told to hold feast of unleavened bread to celebrate Christs blood.
unleavened bread was a high Holy day before sabbath,
people miss take it for the Sabbath of saturday that year.
there was both a high holy day of unleavened bread, and a 7th day Sabbath while Jesus was in the grave.
yes it does matter Christ is risen
but the world selebrates it on romes terms and ways.
not how God told use to celebrate it.
we rob God of worship and ties when we do it on sunday and not his sabbath.
look at how much money is spent on shopping on saturday
and everyone rests on sunday. we rob God.
is not this the mark of the beast ?
but the world selebrates it on romes terms and ways.
not how God told use to celebrate it.
we rob God of worship and ties when we do it on sunday and not his sabbath.
look at how much money is spent on shopping on saturday
and everyone rests on sunday. we rob God.
is not this the mark of the beast ?
To be clear everyday is alike to me, and I give God thanks, as you do in one day above another, and I am not bout to ry to change anyones mind
Yet have you seen in /Exodus when the people were about to be delivered, to hold a secret meeting, first and last day of seven full days.
So since Christ is risen in the Oder of Melchizadek, not Arronic Priesthood, God, Yeweh is my rest 24/7, and I give God thanks for all
Yet have you seen in /Exodus when the people were about to be delivered, to hold a secret meeting, first and last day of seven full days.
So since Christ is risen in the Oder of Melchizadek, not Arronic Priesthood, God, Yeweh is my rest 24/7, and I give God thanks for all
Many people on this site have been criticizing my writings without any proof of scripture and make me out to be the villain, but abstaining from spreading the truth is accepting the lie that is being spread. I do know what I believe in after many years of study and I doubt not or being unsure of anything that I write here. All my writings are based on scripture and if you do not want to accept that, that is your prerogative. I do not follow a happy go lucky belief to be in the good books of everybody and to see how many posts I can achieve. I am teaching those that are prepared to read and to double check as we all need to check what is being said on this site or church or wherever, and I include myself. I will not accept any gargling from people that have their own views that they want to force on to others without any proof of scripture other than the Word of God and in particular the first Bible - KJV. I will tell people to tear sections out of their Bible if they do not want to believe the Bible, if fact, they should then not read the Bible at all if they do not want to follow the Word of God. The Bible has been given to the people who want to learn about God, the creation and the path to follow to be with God one day. It is a complete document for all. For anybody to bring in other scriptures that is not part of the Bible is unacceptable to me and if they were to be included in the original Bible, it would have been done, but there were obvious differences to the Bible and that is why is has not been accepted as part of the current Bible. For anybody also to quote a lot of texts without it being relevant to a subject that is discussed is also not part of my thinking. A person who responds, must respond with proper discussion with facts or texts. We need to consider all the texts relating to a subject to provide the correct answer. It is similar to a detective solving a murder crime. He needs to get all the evidence to prove the case otherwise somebody in the right will suffer for those in the wrong. My duty is to spread the truth and if I withhold the truth, I will be punished for it. I will stand before God one day and He will ask me if I did spread the truth as He requested me to do. I will spread the truth in what I have made a study of and if you have made a study of other subjects that I have not, I can then learn from you. We are all links in a chain and a broken link, weakens the chain. I have a few strong links and those are the subjects that I am discussing. You may think otherwise, in fact I know you think otherwise, but I pray that God will open your eyes for the truth and the non-truth and that you will accept the truth. In the last chapter of the Bible you will find a text to say that nothing is to be added or to be left out of the Bible and that all the Commandments still need to be held. What is more simpler than that?
We all can find the truth if we study hard enough. It does matter if the church don't do their research and then teach the lie. In knowing how all pieces fits into the puzzle, it will provide you with the real picture, and believe me, you can find all the facts in the Bible. That goes for all subjects that I have been discussing ie. Trinity, Sabbath, Purgatory, Hell, Spirit etc. The churches teach that Jesus Christ was crucified on the Friday, and according the Bible, the grave was empty on the Sunday morning which means that Jesus Christ has been in the grave for only one day. That is not in line with the Scripture as Jesus had to be in the grave for three days and not less. That is a 72 hour period. There are two subjects here namely, the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ has been resurrected and is now sitting at the right hand side of God as a Man High Priest or Advocate as that is all part of God's Salvation Plan. As for the crucifixion, Jesus Christ was not crucified on the Friday. As far as I know, and I will tackle this soon, there was a special Sabbath on the Thursday just before this particular Friday. It was also called the feast of the unleavened bread. As the Wednesday was then the day of preparation, it is my opinion that Jesus was crucified on this day which means that Jesus went to the grave the Wednesday afternoon, Thursday Afternoon, also the Special Sabbath, was day one, Friday afternoon it would have been the second day and Saturday Sabbath afternoon the third day. So that is why I am saying that He was resurrected on the Sabbath afternoon and that is why the grave was empty on the Sunday morning, and all in all, it gels with all the other facts about Jonah and statements given in the Bible. That to me is the only logical explanation. Any ideas or other facts that I missed?
We all can find the truth if we study hard enough. It does matter if the church don't do their research and then teach the lie. In knowing how all pieces fits into the puzzle, it will provide you with the real picture, and believe me, you can find all the facts in the Bible. That goes for all subjects that I have been discussing ie. Trinity, Sabbath, Purgatory, Hell, Spirit etc. The churches teach that Jesus Christ was crucified on the Friday, and according the Bible, the grave was empty on the Sunday morning which means that Jesus Christ has been in the grave for only one day. That is not in line with the Scripture as Jesus had to be in the grave for three days and not less. That is a 72 hour period. There are two subjects here namely, the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ has been resurrected and is now sitting at the right hand side of God as a Man High Priest or Advocate as that is all part of God's Salvation Plan. As for the crucifixion, Jesus Christ was not crucified on the Friday. As far as I know, and I will tackle this soon, there was a special Sabbath on the Thursday just before this particular Friday. It was also called the feast of the unleavened bread. As the Wednesday was then the day of preparation, it is my opinion that Jesus was crucified on this day which means that Jesus went to the grave the Wednesday afternoon, Thursday Afternoon, also the Special Sabbath, was day one, Friday afternoon it would have been the second day and Saturday Sabbath afternoon the third day. So that is why I am saying that He was resurrected on the Sabbath afternoon and that is why the grave was empty on the Sunday morning, and all in all, it gels with all the other facts about Jonah and statements given in the Bible. That to me is the only logical explanation. Any ideas or other facts that I missed?
Why do you think did God highlight the Sabbath in His Commandments? Why was the Sabbath included in the Commandments of God if it was not important to Him? Do you imply that God made a mistake or that it was just a temporary command? Do you believe that all of the Commandments are still valid today? Quoting other documents when discussing the Bible cannot be accepted ie the order of melchizadek etc. Yeweh??? What is that? God gave the instruction to rest on the 7th day Sabbath and NOT 24/7. You are not giving thanks to God if you ignore His Commandments and I do not think that God appreciates you calling Him names that is not His name. Please prove to me that God's name is Yeweh.
that is wise, because Paul was unequivocal saying "don't let anyone judge you" over a Sabbath day, and i don't see how anyone can in good conscience directly contradict the scripture and claim to speak from the Spirit 
permit me though to "waste" your time with the Truth.
sure!! but what commandment? it's my turn to cry "context context"
But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness.
Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ....
(1 Timothy 6:11-14)
what commandment? to "Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness."
where does Paul say "Sabbath" ? he says it when writing to Colossi, telling them not to let anyone judge them over a sabbath day. he does not mention the word in his letter to Timothy. if Paul wrote the book of Hebrews (i think it was Apollos, but it's immaterial) then he also mentions the Sabbath saying that Christ has revealed the true Sabbath to us, in contrast to the shadow of Truth found in the law of Moses.
it is also written that circumcision should be a sign for Israel for generations (Genesis 17:12).
have you read what the apostles taught about this sign with regards to gentile believers seeking God?
our hearts must be circumcised, not our bodies. is it sin then to be circumcised in the flesh? not of itself, but if you do it as a sign of a covenant, you place yourself under the whole covenant - and are liable to the entire law!
the true Sabbath of God is to cease from our labors and enter His rest. this is why we are baptized into Christ's death, to rise again in His redemption, and to put away all the things of the flesh, resting in His salvation. i am convinced in my own mind, and i don't fault anyone who honors a Saturday or a Sunday or a Friday - if anyone honors a day, let them honor it to God. it is not for me or for you that any of us should supplicate ourselves, but to God.
i don't force anyone to meet on Sunday in particular. like the author of Hebrews, i think it's wise for us to meet together, whenever that we can - here in this country it is usually Sunday by force of tradition. but as i said earlier, if my brothers meet Monday, i will go to them Monday, if Thursday, then Thursday - and this is not to "keep the sabbath" or to "change the times" -- it is to put my hand to the plow when the field is ready to be worked. even this i don't "force" anyone to do.
permit me though to "waste" your time with the Truth.
sure!! but what commandment? it's my turn to cry "context context"
But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness.
Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ....
(1 Timothy 6:11-14)
what commandment? to "Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness."
where does Paul say "Sabbath" ? he says it when writing to Colossi, telling them not to let anyone judge them over a sabbath day. he does not mention the word in his letter to Timothy. if Paul wrote the book of Hebrews (i think it was Apollos, but it's immaterial) then he also mentions the Sabbath saying that Christ has revealed the true Sabbath to us, in contrast to the shadow of Truth found in the law of Moses.
it is also written that circumcision should be a sign for Israel for generations (Genesis 17:12).
have you read what the apostles taught about this sign with regards to gentile believers seeking God?
our hearts must be circumcised, not our bodies. is it sin then to be circumcised in the flesh? not of itself, but if you do it as a sign of a covenant, you place yourself under the whole covenant - and are liable to the entire law!
the true Sabbath of God is to cease from our labors and enter His rest. this is why we are baptized into Christ's death, to rise again in His redemption, and to put away all the things of the flesh, resting in His salvation. i am convinced in my own mind, and i don't fault anyone who honors a Saturday or a Sunday or a Friday - if anyone honors a day, let them honor it to God. it is not for me or for you that any of us should supplicate ourselves, but to God.
i don't force anyone to meet on Sunday in particular. like the author of Hebrews, i think it's wise for us to meet together, whenever that we can - here in this country it is usually Sunday by force of tradition. but as i said earlier, if my brothers meet Monday, i will go to them Monday, if Thursday, then Thursday - and this is not to "keep the sabbath" or to "change the times" -- it is to put my hand to the plow when the field is ready to be worked. even this i don't "force" anyone to do.
There is nothing to prove they didn't keep the seventh day holy but there is something that proves they might have.
Genesis 26:4-5 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Either way, the Ten Commandments were given on stone because of transgression. In other words, they were written in stone because the people were not living by them when they should have been.
The fourth commandment tells us to remember to keep the seventh day holy because that's the way God created it. The Law didn't make it holy, it only protects and enforces it's holiness. The fact that it's part of the Ten Commandments tells us that the people should have been keeping it holy but they weren't. Fallen man was not living by the will of God thus the need for the will of God to be etched into stone with God's own finger, not Moses' finger.
Genesis 26:4-5 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Either way, the Ten Commandments were given on stone because of transgression. In other words, they were written in stone because the people were not living by them when they should have been.
The fourth commandment tells us to remember to keep the seventh day holy because that's the way God created it. The Law didn't make it holy, it only protects and enforces it's holiness. The fact that it's part of the Ten Commandments tells us that the people should have been keeping it holy but they weren't. Fallen man was not living by the will of God thus the need for the will of God to be etched into stone with God's own finger, not Moses' finger.
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