If you keep Lev 15:22, how do you go about doing it?

[RedTent]

"To complete" as in to finish.

And here is the rub. Did the word finish as scripture uses it mean destroy, the end, get rid of, do away with, etc. or did it mean make something even better and more wonderful, something good into something of true beauty?

 

[Elin]

You do know what Gee is referring to don't you?

It's my word, and it refers to what I mean it to refer to.

 

[Elin]

So what are we talking about?

So you don't know?

 

[Elin]

"To complete" as in to finish.

Before the heaven and earth pass away?

Yes, as in Mt 22:37-40; 1Co 9:20; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6; Heb 7:18-19.

 

[Elin]

You see them as that important. . .and powerful.

Interesting. . .

As if Paul didn't.

Paul was on CC?

 

[Elin]

And here is the rub.
Did the word finish as scripture uses it mean destroy, the end, get rid of, do away with, etc. or did it mean make something even better and more wonderful, something good into something of true beauty?

No rub.

"Finish" as in to "set aside" (Gal 5:6; Heb 7:18-19; 1Co 9:20; Mt 22:40).

 

[just-me]

And here is the rub. Did the word finish as scripture uses it mean destroy, the end, get rid of, do away with, etc. or did it mean make something even better and more wonderful, something good into something of true beauty?

No rub.

"Finish" as in to "set aside" (Gal 5:6; Heb 7:18-19; 1Co 9:20; Mt 22:40).

All that Jesus taught was of the old testament before His death. Should we set aside His teachings because (as He said) "it is finished?"

 

[chubbena]

To complete" as in to finish.

Before the heaven and earth pass away?

Yes, as in Mt 22:37-40; 1Co 9:20; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6; Heb 7:18-19.

"Finish" as in to "set aside" (Gal 5:6; Heb 7:18-19; 1Co 9:20; Mt 22:40).

Let's try that with just another verse using this same Greek word G1096 :
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be "set aside" in earth, as it is in heaven.
How true for some.

 

[Billyd]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+15&version=KJV


hi! I was interested in talking about Lev 15:22 with anyone who feels it applies today... KohenMatt http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/96677-what-does-law-really-say-21.html post 409 suggested we open a new thread... so, if you keep that law, how do you go about doing it? how soon after sitting do you wash your clothes?

I wondered what you were asking, so I took a little time to look at Lev 15.

First, I would like to say that Jesus did not change the law, he fulfilled it. In short, he sacrificed himself so that you would not be bound to the Law for your Salvation. You have to realize that much of the Law was addressed to a huge group of people in exile. It was much like a refugee camp. God used it to keep his people safe.

Now with that in mind 15:22 addresses an issue that involved blood. Shed blood is a means of transmitting disease. God used 15:22 to prevent the transmission of diseases. Today God has provided a way to resolve this issue in many ways that provide much more safety than the details of Lev 15. It is not that the law no longer exist, it does. The way we observe it is different than it was in the wilderness. If you want to keep it as God expects you to today, practice the safety measures that he has provided since the time of Moses. I hope that this helps. Just remember Salvation is by Grace through Jesus.

 

[Elin]

"To complete" as in to finish.

Before the heaven and earth pass away?

Yes, as in Mt 22:37-40; 1Co 9:20; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6; Heb 7:18-19.

"Finish" as in to "set aside" (Gal 5:6; Heb 7:18-19; 1Co 9:20; Mt 22:40).

Let's try that with just another verse using this same Greek word G1096 :
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be "set aside" in earth, as it is in heaven.
How true for some.

Sorry you don't see "finish" as "accomplish," "become actualized" "complete," "fulfill," "bring to an end," "set aside."

 

[Elin]

All that Jesus taught was of the old testament before His death.
Should we set aside His teachings because (as He said) "it is finished?"

If that was what he was talking about. . .or was he talking about his work of atonement?

In Heb 7:18-19, it is talking about the law which was useless to obtain righteousness.

 

[just-me]

If that was what he was talking about. . .or was he talking about his work of atonement?

In Heb 7:18-19, it is talking about the law which was useless to obtain righteousness.

No one is saying righeousness and salvation is through the law God gave to Israel through Moses.

All I am saying is that fulfillment doesn't happen if one throws away the first work that is to be completed. It is like starting a project, and then setting the incomplete work aside, and then takes the final part that would complete the project and never installing it to the first work. If that were the case then there is nothing to fulfill, finish, complete, or put an end to the work. If it isn't all together, the plan that originated with all the proper parts, will never work as it was originally designed. Jesus is the creator of all things. This includes the Mosaic law. Colossians chapter 1

 

[Dan_473]

From the books I read about it, yes it had to have two necessary ways---it had to be within a community and it had to include more than just the legalistic or only physical without any spiritual involvement.

The lady who became a protestant believer incorporated many rituals in her day to day living without the entire community, but she found a group to share these ideas with her. Also, she never used any of these ideas as an end in itself. She worked on the principle that taking on the mind of Christ was the important thing, but it should not be separated from how she lived day to day. For instance, instead of washing hands being only a matter of physically being clean, she allowed it to also have a spiritual meaning of cleaning herself spiritually, the ideas were related and could not be separate.

Did she try to way her clothes and self as soon as possible after sitting in a chair that was sat on by a menstruating woman?

 

[chubbena]

Sorry you don't see "finish" as "accomplish," "become actualized" "complete," "fulfill," "bring to an end," "set aside."

Let's try again:
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be "accomplished" in earth, as it is in heaven. Makes sense.
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be "become actualized" in earth, as it is in heaven. Make sense too.
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be "complete" in earth, as it is in heaven. Make sense also.
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be "fulfilled" in earth, as it is in heaven. Make much sense because it's exactly the translation in Matthew 5:17 in my bible.
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be "brought to an end" in earth, as it is in heaven. Does one see the problem?
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be "set aside" in earth, as it is in heaven. Does one see the problem?
Does one see it's not brought to an end or set aside?

 

[Dan_473]

I wondered what you were asking, so I took a little time to look at Lev 15.

First, I would like to say that Jesus did not change the law, he fulfilled it. In short, he sacrificed himself so that you would not be bound to the Law for your Salvation. You have to realize that much of the Law was addressed to a huge group of people in exile. It was much like a refugee camp. God used it to keep his people safe.

Now with that in mind 15:22 addresses an issue that involved blood. Shed blood is a means of transmitting disease. God used 15:22 to prevent the transmission of diseases. Today God has provided a way to resolve this issue in many ways that provide much more safety than the details of Lev 15. It is not that the law no longer exist, it does. The way we observe it is different than it was in the wilderness. If you want to keep it as God expects you to today, practice the safety measures that he has provided since the time of Moses. I hope that this helps. Just remember Salvation is by Grace through Jesus.

Make sense to me... I don't try to keep this law physically, myself... Sounded like some Christians did, and I was wondering how that worked for them... I think it'd be really hard outside of a tight community, like Israel in the wilderness...

 

[Dan_473]

Did she try to way her clothes and self as soon as possible after sitting in a chair that was sat on by a menstruating woman?

haha should be wash, not way

 

[KohenMatt]

To 'keep' one, they must all be 'kept' otherwise you are not keeping them at all.I was hoping you would say only 'because I want to'.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

While we've been over this before....

just because I can't do them all perfectly doesn't mean I should try to obey them anyway. But as always, if I'm doing them to earn salvation or right standing before God, you're right. I'd better do it all.

Fortunately, that's not the standard set by God when He gave the Law, nor is it a standard held by me.

 

[KohenMatt]

What this does is take your faith from the work of the cross and put it in what you do. I'm sorry but God will not accept that. If He did then there is no need of the cross because we can become righteous by our own means. In fact it spits in the face of Christ and denies Him.

How does walking in obedience to one of God's instructions take our faith off of Jesus' sacrifice?

Do you feel this same way whenever you do something God commands in the NT?

 

[KohenMatt]

I can only come to the conclusion that those who profess we Christians today must obey ALL THE LAW are tiring.........for this sudden concept that somehow a woman's menstrual cycle is one of the most "spiritually deep" events in all of Scripture is astounding.............oh my goodness............

So, I was picking my nose, and I began to consider the "spiritual" aspect of nose picking...........you wouldn't believe how enlightening of a moment that was.

While I recognize that there was a certain element of tongue and cheek there, there is obviously a difference there between an instruction God gave in the Bible, and one that He didn't (nose-picking).

If you look back at the posts, I think you're notice that no one is saying that is "one of the most spiritually deep events in all of Scripture", just that it has a spiritually deep meaning. We can't cherry pick which commands we think have a spiritual message and which ones don't. As I've mentioned before, I sure hope Paul's command to cut off your hand if it causes you to sin has a spiritual message to it because if it doesn't, well

No one is typing or reading these messages anyway!

 

[KohenMatt]

When Jesus feed a great multitude (about 5,000 men plus woman and children in a deserted place at evening after following him by foot out of the cities in Matt 14) with the five loaves and two fishes, did He command them to wash their hands or was there clean water provided for them to wash before they ate? No, He commanded them to sit down and eat and they did so with unwashed hands. According to your understanding Jesus put them in jeopardy didn't He? So many people passing around the food and who were also part of the people who had been sick (v.14). Was Jesus being negligent with the multitudes? Not even His disciples are said to have washed their hands before eating and I assume they were hungry also. Do you believe that the blessing of the food was good enough for them to be safe to eat with unwashed hands?

Is it a Biblical command to wash your hands before eating a meal?