The Shooting of Michael Brown

[SonInMe]

Kinda sad the death of a young african american is political fodder.

Who is trying to use this tragedy for political gain?

It sure ain't conservatives........wait for the Obama speech, wonder if Michael will be his long lost son again?

It is really really sad.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Some of what the MSM portrays as innocent young boys doing "their thing" in Ferguson:

"Big" Mike Brown:

See more here: What A Sham - Charleston Thug Life

And here: Michael Brown Jr. Social Media Page Reveals Extreme Racism Towards Whites // Mr. Conservative

It doesn't get better folks. The info is coming forth. "Big" Mike reaped what he sowed imo. I have no problem at this point believing this 6' something 280lb adult male who allegedly just got done pushing around a store owner and threatening him after robbing him and who refused to get out of the street onto the sidewalk when an officer instructed him to do so started physically pushing the officer around too in the same way when the officer tried to enforce the law. "Big" Mike found out the hard way that pushing small Asian store owners around and pushing police officers trying to get you to follow the law around are two different things. And I don't believe the eyewitness, who to me looks to be his friend in the robbery video, has any credibility at this point.

Make better thought, action, habit, and character choices and you won't end up with the destiny of Michael Brown.

 

[raf]

Ive been watching the local news and apparently the kid was just being pull over for jay walking so he basically was murdered for something so little. Most of the eye witnesses are saying a different story than what the cops say and now the cops are slowly changing their story. Im tired of seeing a lot of you people from different states trying to turn this into a race debate its my city being affected not yours.

 

[raf]

Listen, there is evidence that the local cops were being racist. The FBI has already found that in their investigation, however, that in no way proves that this was a bad shoot.

For the evidence, look at the amount of car stops of blacks vs. whites in the city, plus the amount of paraphenalia and crimes reported due to those stops. It is way out of proportion. FoxNews showed that the amount of stops that led to either tickets/arrests/seizure of paraphenalia was 15% of stops in which the person stopped was black. However, it was 88% of the people stopped were black. Now, could there be an explanation sure, but when the two stats are put side by side they seem to be evidence of racial profiling. There are also many complaints by rookie officers against veterans for racially motivated situations.

Now, is it possible that the cop in this situation is racist? Yes. Does that mean his fatal shooting of the kid was illegal or wrong? No. Just because the police officer is racist (hypothetically) does not prove that he did not have reason to shoot. I can dream up multiple reasonable scenarios where that is possible. However, until the investigation is done, all of them, local, state, and federal investigations, we cannot say that the cop executed the kid, nor can we say that the kid was innocent.

I know for sure this is right because I live in st louis county and some of my black friends claim they were pulled over for not stopping at a stop sign when they have. Also its not just racism in general a lot of cops here will be rough with criminals and even black cops will beat up black people seen it on the local news and in real life.

 

[raf]

So stats show blacks commit more crimes, and the reason is racism??

How do ya figure that?

The real culprit is liberalism. No segment of society votes for democrats more than blacks do...see what it has done to them?

It ain't hard to figure out.......( and I had a thread about the facts behind that statement too )

Uh most black gangster wannabes dont even vote youre making the assumption all blacks are automatically democrats. Most deaths while driving involve white people does that mean white republicans are just causing these accidents because they are republicans, no that sounds stupid. Stop trying to turn this into a political debate.

 

[biscuit]

Some of what the MSM portrays as innocent young boys doing "their thing" in Ferguson:

"Big" Mike Brown:

See more here: What A Sham - Charleston Thug Life

And here: Michael Brown Jr. Social Media Page Reveals Extreme Racism Towards Whites // Mr. Conservative

It doesn't get better folks. The info is coming forth. "Big" Mike reaped what he sowed imo. I have no problem at this point believing this 6' something 280lb adult male who allegedly just got done pushing around a store owner and threatening him after robbing him and who refused to get out of the street onto the sidewalk when an officer instructed him to do so started physically pushing the officer around too in the same way when the officer tried to enforce the law. "Big" Mike found out the hard way that pushing small Asian store owners around and pushing police officers trying to get you to follow the law around are two different things. And I don't believe the eyewitness, who to me looks to be his friend in the robbery video, has any credibility at this point.

Make better thought, action, habit, and character choices and you won't end up with the destiny of Michael Brown.

Is this scenario just another episode of Spike Lee's classic movie "Do the Right Thing?"

 

[SonInMe]

Uh most black gangster wannabes dont even vote youre making the assumption all blacks are automatically democrats. Most deaths while driving involve white people does that mean white republicans are just causing these accidents because they are republicans, no that sounds stupid. Stop trying to turn this into a political debate.

Just a fyi...90% of african american voters vote for democrats, 95% voted for Obama....its a pretty easy stat to find.

The reason why this is a story, like so many others, is the race of the cop and the race of the man who died and how that has been manipulated into something it does not seem to be......

AGAIN!!!

How many times are these incidents going to be blown out of proportion before the idiot democrats and liberals figure this out???

I know, they won't because it does not fit into their preconceived view of the world, without any factual support.....

and what do you call making judgements due to race without facts?

Bingo. There is a clear cut example of racism going on with this story, and the media has once again proved its racist.

 

[David_1]

I know, they won't because it does not fit into their preconceived view of the world, without any factual support.....

This is hilarious coming from you. Hilarious.

 

[jjtj22]

Ive been watching the local news and apparently the kid was just being pull over for jay walking so he basically was murdered for something so little. Most of the eye witnesses are saying a different story than what the cops say and now the cops are slowly changing their story. Im tired of seeing a lot of you people from different states trying to turn this into a race debate its my city being affected not yours.

It is not just your city being impacted because make no mistake this is a race debate. A white 6 year veteran of law enforcement shooting and killing a black gang member incites riots, protests and international news coverage for a week. Meanwhile, innocent children playing in their yards being shot and not a blip on the radar.

Mother Demanding Answers After 3-Year-Old Killed In Drive-By Shooting � CBS Baltimore

One child left blind, another has brain damage from drive-by shooting in New Orleans | gulflive.com

Child shot in drive-by shooting | News - Home

This was just a quick search and every one of these children have been shot this month! Why are there no protests, international news or civil rights leaders addressing these atrocities?

 

[Stephen63]

Just a FYI....

Being this is a "christian" chat site & all, wouldn't we be expected to act like....I don't know....christians, instead of what we seeing? Just 'cause the subject is horrific doesn't mean the posters should be.... just sayin'.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Yeah, you must be right. He was just walking down the street and a police officer came over and executed him for no reason. You must be stupider than dirt to even falsely assertion something like that raf.

Why don't you grow up and put down the hooka while you're at it.

Ive been watching the local news and apparently the kid was just being pull over for jay walking so he basically was murdered for something so little. Most of the eye witnesses are saying a different story than what the cops say and now the cops are slowly changing their story. Im tired of seeing a lot of you people from different states trying to turn this into a race debate its my city being affected not yours.

 

[ThomistColin]

Yeah, you must be right. He was just walking down the street and a police officer came over and executed him for no reason. You must be stupider than dirt to even falsely assertion something like that raf.

Why don't you grow up and put down the hooka while you're at it.

My only problem with the shoot is the amount of bullets fired and where the body was found. If the kid was incompacitated after the first shot, there would be no reason for the rest. Also, if the kid was running away, why not pursure instead of firing? I have no doubt that there may have been provacation to violence, its just if this cop is guilty of anything (based on the evidence we have right now) its that he took too many shots for it to be a clean shoot. It still may be legal, but it wasn't clean.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The repetitive training is invaluable but when the adrenal glands start dumping in the middle of a real fight over a pistol in what amounts to a life and death fight for survival thinking can get muddled as powerful physiological impulses kick in.

I've had time slow down in a fight. I even had an out of body experience once fighting two guys at the same time where I literally floated over my body for a brief period in front of one of the high schools I went to. Once, I blacked out in a fight with a local hood in my late twenties and when I came out of it the other guy had blood flowing down his face from a broken nose and smashed in mouth and was twenty feet away from me and I was completely unharmed.

Which is why you don't fight to begin with unless it's absolutely necessary. You walk away without a word. That's right, you heard me. You don't talk out of the side of your neck. You leave. Because once it starts, anything can happen up to and including one going to the morgue and the other to prison.

Certainly what you do NOT do is mouth off to a police officer telling you to get out of the street and onto the sidewalk and then when he tries to enforce the law because you won't do it start pushing him around like the Asian storeowner you just manhandled and finally try to take his weapon from him.

In a situation like that, the police officer may have literally panicked when it got to the point that he was fighting for control of his weapon in what is a life and death fight for survival.

Now he has experience.

It still may be legal, but it wasn't clean.

 

[SonInMe]

This is hilarious coming from you. Hilarious.

I can back up whatever I say with facts and if I am wrong I admit it.

I can...........................

 

[SonInMe]

I think that's it.

People think they can back talk to the police and they have to take it....sorry, no. Police have authority over you and you can find yourself in a world of hurt if you do not respect their instructions....legally.

Its the me first, no respect, I am a victim so I can get away with anything attitude fostered by liberal ideologies that killed this kid more than a bullet from a cops gun.

 

[pickles]

My stance is to wait until the FBI investigation that has been ordered by Eric Holder is finished. As of right now, it seems the rhetoric of both spin doctors on the right and left are revving.

Agreed, waiting for all evidence to be investigated and given.

God bless
pickles

 

[ThomistColin]

The repetitive training is invaluable but when the adrenal glands start dumping in the middle of a real fight over a pistol in what amounts to a life and death fight for survival thinking can get muddled as powerful physiological impulses kick in.

I've had time slow down in a fight. I even had an out of body experience once fighting two guys at the same time where I literally floated over my body for a brief period in front of one of the high schools I went to. Once, I blacked out in a fight with a local hood in my late twenties and when I came out of it the other guy had blood flowing down his face from a broken nose and smashed in mouth and was twenty feet away from me and I was completely unharmed.

Which is why you don't fight to begin with unless it's absolutely necessary. You walk away without a word. That's right, you heard me. You don't talk out of the side of your neck. You leave. Because once it starts, anything can happen up to and including one going to the morgue and the other to prison.

Certainly what you do NOT do is mouth off to a police officer telling you to get out of the street and onto the sidewalk and then when he tries to enforce the law because you won't do it start pushing him around like the Asian storeowner you just manhandled and finally try to take his weapon from him.

In a situation like that, the police officer may have literally panicked when it got to the point that he was fighting for control of his weapon in what is a life and death fight for survival.

Now he has experience.

I think your scenario might end up being the closest. The only problem for me is when was the second bullet fired. We know so little about the shooting of Michael Brown after the struggle in the car. That to me is where the investigation is going to heavily reside.

 

[Desdichado]

Times like these make me happy that we have a judicial system of some sort.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I live in Missouri, and the story behind this is that when he tried to get the weapon from the officer the officer was still in the car, and a shot was fired.

When he couldn't get it, he started to run to get away. The police officer got out and shot him.


To start with, was the gun not holstered when the struggle over the gun was initiated. Because here an officer is not to draw his weapon unless one is visible on the suspect.
If this is the case the officer was wrong to have his weapon drawn in the first place.


Next, the boy was unarmed and running away when shot to death by the officer.
This is supported by eye witnesses.

So shooting an unarmed person would be misuse of force.

If these are the truths that come out, not only should the police officer be fired for unlawfully drawing his weapon and misuse of force.
But he should also go to prison for murder.


This is why people in Ferguson are so upset and mad right now, if this would have been a regular civilian they would have been arrested for shooting another unarmed person. But because it is a police officer no arrest has been made.


Then the FBI and outside units had to be sent in because of other reports of misuse of power from the local officers shooting tear gas and rubber bullets at even peaceful protestors and news cast members. And forcing others out of buildings who are just sitting there and not causing problems.

 

[Atwood]

I live in Missouri, and the story behind this is that when he tried to get the weapon from the officer the officer was still in the car, and a shot was fired.
When he couldn't get it, he started to run to get away. The police officer got out and shot him.

Well, Kenneth, you will have to show me! LOL. I think we should wait for all the evidence to come in instead of making statements like that. I guess you are giving "the story," but this officer's life is at stake, & he should be innocent until proven guilty. Those who judge from hearsay and jump to early conclusions commit the sin of judging.

To start with, was the gun not holstered when the struggle over the gun was initiated. Because here an officer is not to draw his weapon unless one is visible on the suspect.
If this is the case the officer was wrong to have his weapon drawn in the first place.

Unless you were there, or have a video, I wouldn't make statements like that, but wait for the investigation. It is hard for me to believe that an officer is not to draw a gun unless one is visible on a suspect. Do you have proof of that one? Unfortunately, if you are carrying a gun & get into a fight, you are likely to be forced to use it lest the opponent grab it & use it on you. I think the officer may have been forced to draw the gun before the opponent got it in hand. But I wasn't there.

Next, the boy was unarmed and running away when shot to death by the officer.
This is supported by eye witnesses.

Boy? How old was this "boy"? Have you seen the video of the store where the cigars were robbed? Does that look like a "boy"? Of course if what you claim is substantiated, the officer would have been legally wrong, I think; probably not Biblically wrong if he were assaulted before the huge fellow ran away.

But he should also go to prison for murder.

Prison is inappropriate for murder. Why should taxpayers be punished by paying for years & years of free food, clothing, housing, guarding, entertainment, & medical expenses? Murder requires execution (Genesis 9).

This is why people in Ferguson are so upset and mad right now, if this would have been a regular civilian they would have been arrested for shooting another unarmed person. But because it is a police officer no arrest has been made.

If the officer had been black & the young man shot white, would the same reaction have happened or is this racisim?

I think that the only proper thing to do is to wait for all the evidence before judging.