Nothing new about the "new" covenant?

prove-all · Aug 20, 2014

Re: Gods Covenents

the really pretty covent.

And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that
I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature.

-in the wilderness before mount sinia

4Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you;
and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day,

that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
“How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?(27-30)

-This incident happened prior to the giving of the Ten Commandments.

a gift: “See, for that the [Eternal]hath given you the sabbath …”

Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

- the ten commandents covenent exodus20-24

19:8And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do.
1And God spake all these words, saying, _

8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:
11For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is,
and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

- You read of the actual making of the Old Covenant,
and sealing it with blood, in (Exodus 24:4-8).

And notice it concludes with the words,
8“the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you ….”

to the Ten Commandment law, God added no more (Deuteronomy 5:22).

- It was then already made..., completed..., done deal.

22These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more.
And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

-Any other law, or covenant,coming later, is no part of it,
but a separate law or covenant. Paul tells us

“Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed,
no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto” (Galatians 3:15)

- Once a covenant is signed, sealed, or ratified,
confirmed—in force,it cannot be added to or taken away from.

The Ten Commandments law was complete, God added no more or taken away..

LEPIDUS · Aug 20, 2014

Elin said:

No need to restate what was already stated. Don't be lazy and read the post.

prove-all · Aug 20, 2014

Re: Gods covenants

the Sabbath covenent and Holy days covent
are seperate from the ten commandments.

- the sabbath covenant

a seperate covenent apart from the ten commandents
and is a forever binding covent between his chosen people.

13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep:
for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations;
that (ye may know) that I am the Lord that doth (sanctify you).

16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, (to observe)
(the sabbath) throughout their generations, for (a perpetual) (covenant).

17“It is (a sign) between me and the children of Israel (for ever):
for in six days the [Eternal] made heaven and earth, and on
the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed” similar to Exodus 20:11.

Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout
your generations that ye may know that I am the [Eternal] that doth sanctify you”(Exodus 31:13)

“Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them,
that they might know that I am the [Eternal] that sanctify them.

But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes,
and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them;
and my sabbaths they greatly polluted:then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them
in the wilderness, to consume them”(Ezekiel 20:12-13).

“If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day;
and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the [Eternal],honourable;
and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways,nor finding thine own pleasure,
nor speaking thine own words”(Isaiah 58:13)

“Then shalt thou delight thyself in the [Eternal];
and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth,
and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father:
for the mouth of the [Eternal] hath spoken it”

Which the Lord commanded to be given them of the children of Israel,
in the day that he anointed them, by a statute for ever throughout their generations.

Thy name, O Lord, endureth for ever; and thy memorial, O Lord, throughout all generations.
And thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father, that they
may minister unto me in the priest's office: for their anointing shall surely
be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations.

this prophecy is dual. It was actually written down for the people of our day (Ezekiel 29:21; 33:33).

God promises when an individual keeps His Sabbath day holy:He shall live in them.

the tribe of Judah,the responsibility of preserving the knowledge of the correct day
1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

prove-all · Aug 20, 2014

Re: Gods covenants

Gods Holy Convocations

Feasts of the LORD

“Speak to the people of Israel and say to them,
These are the appointed feasts of the LORD that you shall proclaim as holy convocations;
they are my appointed feasts.

The Sabbath
3“Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation.
You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

4“These are the appointed feasts of the LORD, the holy convocations,
which you shall proclaim at the time appointed for them.

The Passover

5In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight,a is the LORD’s Passover.

6And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD;
for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.

7On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work.

8But you shall present a food offering to the LORD for seven days.
On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work.”

The Feast of Firstfruits

9And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,

10“Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you a
nd reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest,

11and he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, so that you may be accepted.
On the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.

12And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb
a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to the LORD.

13And the grain offering with it shall be two tenths of an ephahb of fine flour mixed with oil, a food offering to the LORD with a pleasing aroma, and the drink offering with it shall be of wine, a fourth of a hin.c

14And you shall eat neither bread nor grain parched or fresh until this same day, until you have brought the offering of your God:
it is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

The Feast of Weeks

15“You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath,
from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering.

16You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath.
then you shall present a grain offering of new grain to the LORD.

17You shall bring from your dwelling places two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah.
They shall be of fine flour, and they shall be baked with leaven, as firstfruits to the LORD.

18And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one bull from the herd and two rams. They shall be a burnt offering to the LORD, with their grain offering and their drink offerings,
a food offering with a pleasing aroma to the LORD.

19And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings.

20And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.

21And you shall make proclamation on the same day. You shall hold a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work. It is a statute forever in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.

22“And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the LORD your God.”

The Feast of Trumpets

23And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 24“Speak to the people of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall observe a day of solemn rest, a memorial proclaimed with blast of trumpets, a holy convocation.

25You shall not do any ordinary work, and you shall present a food offering to the LORD.”

The Day of Atonement

27“Now on the tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement.
It shall be for you a time of holy convocation, and you shall afflict yourselves and present a food offering to the LORD.

28And you shall not do any work on that very day, for it is a Day of Atonement,
to make atonement for you before the LORD your God.

29For whoever is not afflicted on that very day shall be cut off from his people.

30And whoever does any work on that very day, that person I will destroy from among his people.

31You shall not do any work. It is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places.

32It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves.
On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.”

The Feast of Booths

34“Speak to the people of Israel, saying, On the fifteenth day of this seventh month
and for seven days is the Feast of Boothsd to the LORD.

35On the first day shall be a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work. 3

6For seven days you shall present food offerings to the LORD. On the eighth day you shall hold a holy convocation and present a food offering to the LORD. It is a solemn assembly; you shall not do any ordinary work.

37“These are the appointed feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim as times of holy convocation, for presenting to the LORD food offerings, burnt offerings and grain offerings, sacrifices and drink offerings, each on its proper day,

38besides the LORD’s Sabbaths and besides your gifts and besides all your vow offerings and besides all your freewill offerings, which you give to the LORD.

39“On the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the produce of the land, you shall celebrate the feast of the LORD seven days. On the first day shall be a solemn rest, and on the eighth day shall be a solemn rest.

40And you shall take on the first day the fruit of splendid trees, branches of palm trees and boughs of leafy trees and willows of the brook, and you shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.

41You shall celebrate it as a feast to the LORD for seven days in the year. It is a statute forever throughout your generations; you shall celebrate it in the seventh month.

42You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All native Israelites shall dwell in booths,

43that your generations may know that I made the people of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”

44Thus Moses declared to the people of Israel the appointed feasts of the LORD.

These feasts have importent information in them for us

prove-all · Aug 20, 2014

Re: Gods covenants

So what bible verses do away with one are all of Gods Covents ?

prove-all · Aug 20, 2014

Re: Gods covenants also void ?

-covenent promise,David my servant, to allways have a man to reign.
with the Levites to minister before him allways.

If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night

21Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant,
that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne;
and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

Deuteronomy 12:19 (KJV)
19Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth.

-not cast off houses of Isreal or Judah

24Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying,
The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off?

25Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night,
and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;

26Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will
not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob:
for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

-promise to Jonadab the son of Rechab,Rechabites,

18And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel;
Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jehonadab your father,
and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all...:
19Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel;

prove-all · Aug 20, 2014

did David stop having a King on throne 400 someodd years before Christ.

Did God lie about that, davids throne stoped ?

or did Jerimah uproot nations

and transplant elsewhere ?

vic1980 · Aug 21, 2014

Moses was the mediator, God's representative, in the Old Covenant. Christ is the Mediator, God's representative, in the New Covenant. The Bible says,

"But now has He [Christ] obtained a more excellent ministry...He is the Mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises." (Hebrews 8:6)

The Old Covenant was based on Israel responsibility, It was conditional. God promised to bless Israel if they obeyed Him or face consequences. How much scripture do we have of Israel disobediance and unable to uphold this covenant ? All the prophets of God warned them continuously.

Israel At mount Sinai

Exodus 19:8 All the people answered together and said, "All that the LORD has spoken we will do!" And Moses brought back the words of the people to the LORD.

The New Covenant is based on God's purpose and grace. The New Covenant is unconditional—it is all of God and His grace. It does not depend on man at all. God is saying what He had said since the old testament, the promised fullfilled.

Luke 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

What Does God want from man now in the new covenant

Repent, Belive in His son Jesus Christ & receive the Holyspirit, Ask in Jesus name in prayer, Love one another, Walk in the spirit & not the Flesh. Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation,make disciples of all the nations. Did i miss anything ???

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

1 John 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

There a reason why Jesus went to the cross, and why no one will be justifiedy by the law.

Galatians 5:16 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

Justification by Faith

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

In this new covenant God gives us His holyspirit, just as He did with the prophets in the old testement to do His will.

This is why no one can boast.

Philippians 2:13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

What we have now in the New Covenant is something so special and amazing. it's a Gift from God Almighty.

The apostles of Jesus Christ , understood the liberty they had now with Christ, under the New covenant.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

For the op yes God spoke about His new covenant in the old testament by His prophets, but it did not come to pass, until messiah was born and went to the cross to fullfilled all that was written about Him.

God Bless and take care everyone

vic1980 · Aug 21, 2014

oops i did forgot something under the New Covenant one must be Born Again of God

John 1:11He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Whichwere born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

just-me · Aug 21, 2014

vic1980 said:

Good point that you make, but Jesus questioned Nicodemus about how being "born again" should have been understood by him because he was educated on scripture, and was a master of Israel. At that time there was no New Testament writings as we have today.

John 3:7-10
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth , and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh , and whither it goeth : so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be ?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Obviously being "born again" shouldn't have been new to Nicodemus. The reason is that this concept of truth had already been defined in the scriptures they had at that time.

Elin · Aug 21, 2014

LEPIDUS said:

Yeah, that wasn't clear. I am saying
the new covenant is not based on performance of the people,
therefore, the new covenant cannot be broken and nullified by the people,
as the old covenant was broken and nullified by the disobedience of the people.

And that's a whole lotta true "newness."

Posting Scripture does not necessarily validate one's statement.
You linked several Scriptures to your assertion, but they did not validate your statement that the new covenant was not a new covenant.

Are you saying you need the Scriptures which state that
the old covenant was based on performance by the people, and
the people broke and nullified the old covenant, as I stated above?

Sripture must indicate the application you are asserting,
which the Scriptures you posted did not.

Are you asking for Scriptures which state the covenant made in the blood of Jesus Christ is new?

You are questioning its newness,
and asserting, contrary to the Word of God, that it is not new.

That's good to know.

But isn't everything God intended about everything also intended from the beginning?

Elin · Aug 21, 2014

LEPIDUS said:

Non-responsive. . .you provided no Scriptural statement that
the commandments are the foundation of God's throne.

Are you being intellectually honest on this?

Elin · Aug 21, 2014

Re: Gods covenants

prove-all said:

Heb 8:7-13.

achduke · Aug 21, 2014

Re: Gods covenants

Psalm 119:160 All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.

prove-all · Aug 21, 2014

Re: Gods covenants

Elin said:

That has to do with his ten commandments covent,

does that do away with Gods rainbow covenent ?

or his Sabbath covenent or feasts covenent ?

or covenent of Davids of physical man to reign on throne ?

achduke · Aug 21, 2014

Re: Gods covenants

Elin said:

The New Covenant extends the old Covenant. Now God puts his laws into our heart (Holy Spirit who Guides us).

Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

Hebrews 8:11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
Hebrews 8:12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

This was spoken of before in Jeremiah 31:33

Jeremiah 31:33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israelafter that time,” declares the Lord.

“I will put my law in their minds

and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

Elin · Aug 21, 2014

achduke said:

Actually, the old covenant has been made obsolete (Heb 8:13).

The new covenant is not an extension, because the new covenant is based on grace,
while the old covenant was based on performance of obedience.

The new covenant is a complete disconnect from the old covenant,
which has been made obsolete. (Heb 8:7-13).

achduke · Aug 21, 2014

Elin said:

Grace does not mean we have carte blanche to sin. The Holy Spirit guides us through the laws and not just the 10 commandments. God's laws are eternal. By our grace and faith we are saved but by our good fruit(obey) we are known.

James 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

Psalm 119:160 All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.

Elin · Aug 21, 2014

achduke said:

Agreed. . . .

nkz0 · Aug 21, 2014

will you give me a verse in the bible that says God will make a new covenant with the Gentiles?

Nothing new about the "new" covenant?

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