Nothing new about the "new" covenant?
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2 Corinthians 3:6 He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.
Covenant 1242. diathéké
Strong's Concordance
diathéké: testament, will, covenant
Original Word: διαθήκη, ης, ἡPart of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: diathéké
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ath-ay'-kay)
Short Definition: a covenant, will, testament
Definition: (a) a covenant between two parties, (b) (the ordinary, everyday sense [found a countless number of times in papyri]) a will, testament.
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
covenant, testament. From diatithemai; properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially) a contract (especially a devisory will) -- covenant, testament.
2 Corinthians 3:1-3
Ministers of a New Covenant
1Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some, letters of commendation to you or from you? 2You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
What a freind we have in Jesus
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Yes in Greek covenant and testament mean the same but in English translation it does not.
cov·e·nant
ˈkəvənənt/
noun
So like in Greek there are two words that can be used when speaking of the English word "new". So the same concepts applies when thinking of the word diathéké.
Which can be seen translated as testament in the following verse.
"And for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you." (Hebrews 9:15-20 KJV)
and here
"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." (2 Corinthians 3:6 KJV)
cov·e·nant
ˈkəvənənt/
noun
- 1.
an agreement.
- 1.
agree, especially by lease, deed, or other legal contract.
tes·ta·ment
ˈtestəmənt/
noun- 1.
a person's will, especially the part relating to personal property. - 2.
something that serves as a sign or evidence of a specified fact, event, or quality
- 1.
So like in Greek there are two words that can be used when speaking of the English word "new". So the same concepts applies when thinking of the word diathéké.
Which can be seen translated as testament in the following verse.
"And for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you." (Hebrews 9:15-20 KJV)
and here
"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." (2 Corinthians 3:6 KJV)
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John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Why did Nicodemus ask Jesus this question, was he just searching the scripture to attain life or did a true change occur from the inside, or perhaps he was yet a natural man. When we read John 3 from it's starting point Nicodemus understood Jesus was a Teacher, but did He know and excepted that Jesus was the Messiah that was written about in the OT? Did Nicodemus forget about the promise of God giving His holyspirit/ A new spirit in them in order to be His people. Or was he still trusting in his own righteousness.
it seems to me Just-me that Jesus was teaching Nicodemus ,what was not reveal to him in his current state.
God Bless
Why did Nicodemus ask Jesus this question, was he just searching the scripture to attain life or did a true change occur from the inside, or perhaps he was yet a natural man. When we read John 3 from it's starting point Nicodemus understood Jesus was a Teacher, but did He know and excepted that Jesus was the Messiah that was written about in the OT? Did Nicodemus forget about the promise of God giving His holyspirit/ A new spirit in them in order to be His people. Or was he still trusting in his own righteousness.
it seems to me Just-me that Jesus was teaching Nicodemus ,what was not reveal to him in his current state.
God Bless
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Note the same English meaning above in both "covenant" and "testament."
Actually, the concepts are not the same.
Daitheke does have the same meaning in both English words, "covenant" and "testament."
But "new" does not have the same meaning in both Greek words, neos and kainos.
Yes, in the Greek, the two words "testament" and "covenant" (diatheke) have the same meaning (i.e., "arrangement, dispensation"), and can be used interchangeably.
However, in the Greek, the two words "new" (neos, kainos) do not have the same meaning, and cannot be used interchangeably.
These are not the same concepts.
Actually, the concepts are not the same.
Daitheke does have the same meaning in both English words, "covenant" and "testament."
But "new" does not have the same meaning in both Greek words, neos and kainos.
Yes, in the Greek, the two words "testament" and "covenant" (diatheke) have the same meaning (i.e., "arrangement, dispensation"), and can be used interchangeably.
However, in the Greek, the two words "new" (neos, kainos) do not have the same meaning, and cannot be used interchangeably.
These are not the same concepts.
In no way do covenant and testament have the same meaning. *Correction of previous post*, diathéké in Greek can be use to reference covenant, and testament but even then each word has its own meaning.
diathéké: testament, will, covenant
Original Word: διαθήκη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: diathéké
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ath-ay'-kay)
Short Definition: a covenant, will, testament
Definition: (a) a covenant between two parties, (b) (the ordinary, everyday sense [found a countless number of times in papyri]) a will, testament.
HELPS Word-studies
1242 diathḗkē (from 1223 /diá, "thoroughly," intensifying 5087 /títhēmi, "place, set") – properly, a set-agreement having complete terms determined by the initiating party, which also are fully affirmed by the one entering the agreement.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1242: διαθήκη
διαθήκη, διαθήκης, ἡ (διατίθημι);
1. a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid (German Verordnung, Willensverfugung): Galatians 3:15, where under the name of a man's disposition is meant specifically a testament, so far forth as it is a specimen and example of that disposition (cf. Meyer or Lightfoot at the passage); especially the last disposal which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will (so in Greek writings from (Aristophanes), Plato, legg. 11, p. 922 c. following down): Hebrews 9:16f
2. a compact, covenant (Aristophanes av. 440), very often in the Scriptures for בְּרִית (Vulg.testamentum). For the word covenant is used to denote the close relationship which God entered into, first with Noah (Genesis 6:18; Genesis 9:9ff (cf. Sir. 44:18)), then with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their posterity (Leviticus 26:42 (cf. 2 Macc. 1:2)), but especially with Abraham (Genesis 15 and Genesis 17), and afterward through Moses with the people of Israel (Exodus 24; Deuteronomy 5:2; Deuteronomy 28:69 ).
diathéké: testament, will, covenant
Original Word: διαθήκη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: diathéké
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ath-ay'-kay)
Short Definition: a covenant, will, testament
Definition: (a) a covenant between two parties, (b) (the ordinary, everyday sense [found a countless number of times in papyri]) a will, testament.
HELPS Word-studies
1242 diathḗkē (from 1223 /diá, "thoroughly," intensifying 5087 /títhēmi, "place, set") – properly, a set-agreement having complete terms determined by the initiating party, which also are fully affirmed by the one entering the agreement.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1242: διαθήκη
διαθήκη, διαθήκης, ἡ (διατίθημι);
1. a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid (German Verordnung, Willensverfugung): Galatians 3:15, where under the name of a man's disposition is meant specifically a testament, so far forth as it is a specimen and example of that disposition (cf. Meyer or Lightfoot at the passage); especially the last disposal which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will (so in Greek writings from (Aristophanes), Plato, legg. 11, p. 922 c. following down): Hebrews 9:16f
2. a compact, covenant (Aristophanes av. 440), very often in the Scriptures for בְּרִית (Vulg.testamentum). For the word covenant is used to denote the close relationship which God entered into, first with Noah (Genesis 6:18; Genesis 9:9ff (cf. Sir. 44:18)), then with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their posterity (Leviticus 26:42 (cf. 2 Macc. 1:2)), but especially with Abraham (Genesis 15 and Genesis 17), and afterward through Moses with the people of Israel (Exodus 24; Deuteronomy 5:2; Deuteronomy 28:69 ).
And just to clarify I never said that the English word new has the same meaning in Greek. I clearly stated that there is neos and kainos; which both have different meanings.
Additionally, by concept I meant that how in Greek we have neos and kainos for new the same idea applied when diathéke is used in english, either we use testament or covenant each with their own meaning.
con·cept
ˈkänˌsept/Submit
noun
an abstract idea; a general notion.
synonyms: idea, notion, conception, abstraction; More
a plan or intention; a conception.
an idea or invention to help sell or publicize a commodity.
Additionally, by concept I meant that how in Greek we have neos and kainos for new the same idea applied when diathéke is used in english, either we use testament or covenant each with their own meaning.
con·cept
ˈkänˌsept/Submit
noun
an abstract idea; a general notion.
synonyms: idea, notion, conception, abstraction; More
a plan or intention; a conception.
an idea or invention to help sell or publicize a commodity.
You forgot to highlight those in blue also. Now please I am done with you, all you have done is oppose my statements with biased opinions. If you genuinely wanted to edify, expand, or reprove anything to your fellow christian brothers and sisters you would not be wasting your time trying to prove me wrong. Refrain from directing anything to me, if you dont agree with something I state direct it to the forum. I will not continue with your failed attempt to discredit everything I say. Be blessed and good day.
this verse has not happened yet
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother,
saying, Know the Lord: for
all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
this one is going on now
Joel 2:28 “And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
and we are not born again, we are only begotten so far.
again it says my neighbor, does not say fellow christian.
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother,
saying, Know the Lord: for
all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
this one is going on now
Joel 2:28 “And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
and we are not born again, we are only begotten so far.
again it says my neighbor, does not say fellow christian.
