OSAS supporters, explain these, if you will please.

[BlackPlatypus]

So you have deduced after careful consideration that Paul is the antichrist
Have you considered Judas would have been one of the twelve he sent out....

Not at all. Judas was never tested at Ephesus because he was dead by then.

 

[newbirth]

Amazing that there is a group of people who want to argue Jesus can revoke the salvation he died to give to the world, simply because humans, once saved, can demand it of him.

While no scripture exists wherein Jesus said the holy spirit will no longer indwell in the believer who is saved. Nor is there scripture that exists wherein Jesus says his is the gift through the grace of God of temporary revocable salvation.

But what should really concern Christians is that agenda that insists on convincing us that Jesus does not save or give eternal life. Sounds like atheists upping their assault on religion.

If the Scripture says quench not the Spirit.....then the Spirit can be quenched ...we can conclude these things are the will of God for us and if we don't do them the Spirit can be quenched
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; [SUP]13 [/SUP]and to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. [SUP]15 [/SUP]See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Rejoice evermore. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Pray without ceasing. [SUP]18 [/SUP]In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Quench not the Spirit.

 

[newbirth]

Not at all. Judas was never tested at Ephesus because he was dead by then.

so then Matt 10 is not the same command as what he told the eleven...
[SUP]
16 [/SUP]Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[notuptome]

The life of the believer is enduring to the end not glorying in the fact that he has been made new....
[SUP]21 [/SUP]When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

Do not fear for Christ has over come the world. For greater is He Who is in you than he that is in the world.

Self righteousness leads to more unrighteousness.

God chose to save men by His perfect, eternal grace. God's gift of salvation is perfect, complete and eternal. No man can merit it and no man can give anything to repay it. It is all of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Truly amazing...

This from the man who teaches another gospel that is not the gospel. Works and grace do not mix. You can only be saved by grace apart from works. Since it is God Who does the saving it is done perfect and eternal because that is God's character.

Don't be like King Agrippa and say almost thou persuadest me. Forsake your self righteousness and receive Christ's righteousness. Behold today is the day of salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[newbirth]

Not at all. Judas was never tested at Ephesus because he was dead by then.

so then Matt 10 is not the same command as what he told the eleven...
[SUP]
16 [/SUP]Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Paul never knew the living Jesus.

so then Matt 10 is not the same command as what he told the eleven...
[SUP]
16 [/SUP]Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[newbirth]

This from the man who teaches another gospel that is not the gospel. Works and grace do not mix. You can only be saved by grace apart from works. Since it is God Who does the saving it is done perfect and eternal because that is God's character.

Don't be like King Agrippa and say almost thou persuadest me. Forsake your self righteousness and receive Christ's righteousness. Behold today is the day of salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What is another gospel that I preach? ...Does your bible say faith without works is dead? Does the same bible say we are saved by grace through faith not of works? Does the bible say there is only one faith? If so then there must be two types of works...because faith without works is dead. So then there is works of the law and works of faith. Nowhere did I say works and grace mix...We are saved by grace through faith ....you want to be saved by faith that is not scripture. We are saved by grace through faith in Christ...demons believe and tremble ...you must believe and obey...not just sit there in you new home saying I am saved...devils will come looking and when they find it clean and empty they will set up shop and start business.....

 

[newbirth]

Paul never knew the living Jesus.

Jesus is not dead my friend......

 

[newbirth]

Do not fear for Christ has over come the world. For greater is He Who is in you than he that is in the world.

Self righteousness leads to more unrighteousness.

God chose to save men by His perfect, eternal grace. God's gift of salvation is perfect, complete and eternal. No man can merit it and no man can give anything to repay it. It is all of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What is unrighteousness, God gave you power to become a son of God and you call it unrighteousness?

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

God is a God of action ...

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

 

[weakness]

Oh and good luck with that? For noone has ever pleased God in the flesh, but Christ Jesus alone

Without the resurrected Christ, we are still in our sins, and Christ is risen for us here and now in Spirit and truth only[/QUOTE No one has ever pleased God in the flesh , but if you take out the word "flesh" yes then many have pleased God.Which is true. I have thought about this ,like you, alot. Many things have gone through my mind, Maybe its like a spiritual turrets syndrome, I mean the way we jerk and change context and the train of though. May be we have people here who just are still spiritually illiterate and will grow. Iv" thought about not all being the same member , The eye can not say to the hand ' I have no need of you". Sometimes It makes me feel like I want to never listen to this rehashed, same old,Prideful,contentious ect. stuff any more . And there are a few other topics. One seems to be lately the Sabbath,The thread can be on"Jesus wept" and some how the seven day sabbath comes out of it. Then how the Sabbath really is not the first day of the week , then a hundred ways to divide the law up to prove a point," oh thats really not the law, no the law stops here, oh that a civil law ,no its only the ten commandments, I feel I know the scripture moderately well, But after reading what's being said my mind fill with confusion and contention and probably some other "quenching the Spirit" type thoughts, all to my own doing, You get my point, it is ridiculous.Some of us are young in Jesus ,some older, Some or all with some pre christian personal baggage. "Knowledge puffs up but love edifies"Why do I or we insist upon proving our doctrine and ourselves always right? We might say oh we have to speak the truth, or Thats just wrong and might send some one down the wrong path,Did you ever meet people who have to constantly make drama ,to start a division even when there is not one, Do they have to much spare time or what? Maybe this time should be spent in ministering to others, the poor ,Or really studying the scripture as some thing new, asking God for new insight that we did not have before. Sometimes I think people here think it's their ministry to cause these divisive contentions. We would be better of having a few mistakes that God will reveal , Than to "sow discord among the brethren".And where does it fit in where bro Paul says we know the idol nothing and can eat the meat offered to it with a clear conscience but then goes on to discuss a weaker brother,who because of his weaker conscience would be embolden to sin because of our fuller understanding?Will we be all things to all men that we might save some, would we never eat meat again so that some one else doesn't perish ,because of my "knowledge?" Conscience ,yes but not your own but of the weaker person.That takes place here every day.Some one is offended. Many are not receiving Jesus.Many go away confused when looking for love and support.I should stop and let other talk pray for me . My health is about at it's end. God bless

 

[weakness]

This from the man who teaches another gospel that is not the gospel. Works and grace do not mix. You can only be saved by grace apart from works. Since it is God Who does the saving it is done perfect and eternal because that is God's character.

Don't be like King Agrippa and say almost thou persuadest me. Forsake your self righteousness and receive Christ's righteousness. Behold today is the day of salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

​ Works and grace do mix,not work for righteousness(which has been said a thousand times) ,but works of love. We would be to well off if Jesus had wished grace toward us but did not do the work of dying on the cross. Again for the thousandth time "faith without work is DEAD

 

[Bookends]

and Christ goes and fetches the Prodicgal Son(s). for God Faithful to carry on the work God started and it is good

Where does it say Christ fetched the Prodigal son? I'm not saying Christ did or didn't, but it seems to me that the Father waited for the son to come home and didn't go after him. However, if by the circumstances is the means by which God will use to bring someone back home, I will not deny, but then again, not everyone comes home.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Jesus is not dead my friend......

I never said he was. I believe you're confused here.

 

[newbirth]

I never said he was. I believe you're confused here.

maybe I am ...it is you who stated Paul never knew the living Jesus

Originally Posted by BlackPlatypus

Paul never knew the living Jesus.

So now you tell me which Jesus did he know?

 

[SeaBass]

Baloney. Salvation is the gift of God by grace. God's grace is perfect, complete and eternal. God's grace lacks nothing and man has nothing of merit to offer God. Salvation is a take it or leave proposition. John 3:19-21

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Salvation is for the group Christian and not for anyone outside of this group.

God requires man's obedience if man is to be saved, Heb 5:9

 

[newbirth]

The true Christian is never referred to as a dog. The illustration is not referring to the regenerate.
As Sarah Palin, the famous theologian once put it, ''You can put lipstick on a pig...but it's still a pig''.

Proverbs 26:11
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.


the original quote from proverbs...and this is what Peter wrote
2 Peter 2:22
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Not once did he call or refer to anyone as a dog... telling someone they acted like a dog is different from telling someone they are a dog.....the action is like that of a dog...the fact remains they returned which means they had left before...No one forces the dog back to his vomit , the pig to the mud nor the believer back to sin and unbelief...some have itching ears and fall prey to false doctrines

 

[SeaBass]

Now all you have to do is post the scripture where Jesus said exactly that.

Col 1:18 the body is the church, the group Christian.
Eph 5:23 Christ is the Saviour of the body.

Nowhere is the verse that says Christ will unconditionally save the individual outside the body/church?

 

[SeaBass]

The sealing is based on faith in Jesus Christ. To be sealed one has to have faith in Jesus Christ. Faith in Jesus Christ makes one part of the GROUP, i.e. the body of Christ

Anyone outside the GROUP, i.e. the body of Christ does not have faith in Jesus Christ.

So being in the group and sealed is CONDITIONAL upon faith. So remaining in the group and sealed is conditional upon one maintaining his faith. If one casts off his faith he no longer is in the group and therefore no longer sealed.

The issue is do you except what Jesus Christ did for us while we were yet sinners? Do you think God does not know that we will sin, that we will fail at times? God knows us inside and out and he knows that we are just flesh. No matter how hard we try we are going to sin and make mistakes because of our being human, because of our sin nature or because we lack wisdom, etc. Romans 7:14 on shows how we want to practice what is good but it's not in us to do good. [that is in our flesh is no good thing] Our sins are no surprise to God. Our sin nature does not change. [Romans 8:3] For what the law wasn't able to do in that it was weakened by the flesh - IOW God sent the law - what happened? - sin increased - why? because it was weakened by the flesh - our flesh is still weak - we still have a sin nature - more rules and regulations aren't going to help - Romans 5:20 - the law entered and the offences abounded BUT where sin abounded, GRACE DID MUCH MORE ABOUND!!

O wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me? Jesus Christ rescued me and if Jesus Christ rescued me - I am rescued and if Jesus Christ didn't rescue me, I will never make it.

Man has no sin nature, Gen 4:7.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. The GROUP is made up of individuals - EACH individual has to place their faith in Jesus Christ, EACH individual has to be born again and then EACH individual is sealed in order to be placed within the GROUP. AGAIN, that seal is until the day of redemption . . . . IF scripture says we are sealed until the day of redemption then we are sealed until the day of redemption.

What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us who can be against us? he that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? God that justifieth? Who is he that condemneth? Christ that died, ye rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? . . . . FOR I AM PERSUADED that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rom 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

Verse 28 is speaking about the group Christian > "them that love God", "the called"

Rom 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to beconformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

"For" is an explanatory preposition giving explanation to verse 28.

"whom" refers to the group > "them that love God", "the called" of verse 28

"foreknew" it was the group Christian God foreknew would be saved and not the individual unconditionally saved apart from the group.

Rom 8:38,39 lists those things external to the Christian for the Christian can remove himself from the love of God, therefore Jude commands "keep yourselves in the love of God" Jude 1:21

 

[notuptome]

Salvation is for the group Christian and not for anyone outside of this group.

Poorly stated but no one has claimed anything different.

God requires man's obedience if man is to be saved, Heb 5:9

Salvation is not a progressive process. Salvation is an event that occurs in and at a specific time. Salvation is a gift freely given to all who receive His Son. Grace is wholly of God. Any obedience is at Gods moving within the mans heart. Man can do no good thing of himself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger