Nothing new about the "new" covenant?
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Unlearned? ignorance? ignore maybe?
Why are you so intent on seperateing the word of God into segments? There was a physical application, and there is a Spiritual application, but nothing that God has ever spoken is nullified. If Jesus is the creator of all things, do ya think He was also the instigator of every covenant defined in the Bible? We mentioned Hebrews over and over, never coming to an agreement. Let me mention one more passage in Hebrews.
Instead of Hebrews 8:13, I present Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Why are you so intent on seperateing the word of God into segments? There was a physical application, and there is a Spiritual application, but nothing that God has ever spoken is nullified. If Jesus is the creator of all things, do ya think He was also the instigator of every covenant defined in the Bible? We mentioned Hebrews over and over, never coming to an agreement. Let me mention one more passage in Hebrews.
Instead of Hebrews 8:13, I present Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
if anyone thinks God has done away with his people Isreal,
who all of the conents are given to, are mistaken.
all of Gods Sabbath feasts that he gave to man will be done his way again soon.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
who all of the conents are given to, are mistaken.
all of Gods Sabbath feasts that he gave to man will be done his way again soon.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
The language of the covenant itself voids the covenant when the terms aren't met.
Conditional bilateral covenants are based on "if. . .then."
The language of the covenant gives the conditions which nullify it; i.e.,
no if. . .no then.
No compliance with the "if"--circumcision of the flesh and heart. . .
the covenant is broken and there will be no "then"--I will be your God, etc.
No compliance with the "if"--Dt 7:12, 26:17. . .
the covenant is broken and there will be no "then"--Dt 7:12, 26:17.
Jer 11:10 declares the Sianitic covenant is broken, and
Jer 31:31-34 promises a new covenant (Heb 8:8) to take its place (Heb 8:7).
The only ones who inherit the promise of the Abrahamic covenant are those
whose hearts are circumcised; i.e., those who are in Christ (Gal 3:29).
Conditional bilateral covenants are based on "if. . .then."
The language of the covenant gives the conditions which nullify it; i.e.,
no if. . .no then.
No compliance with the "if"--circumcision of the flesh and heart. . .
the covenant is broken and there will be no "then"--I will be your God, etc.
No compliance with the "if"--Dt 7:12, 26:17. . .
the covenant is broken and there will be no "then"--Dt 7:12, 26:17.
Jer 11:10 declares the Sianitic covenant is broken, and
Jer 31:31-34 promises a new covenant (Heb 8:8) to take its place (Heb 8:7).
The only ones who inherit the promise of the Abrahamic covenant are those
whose hearts are circumcised; i.e., those who are in Christ (Gal 3:29).
Re: Gods covenants
Leviticus 23:2-8
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3 Six days shall work be done : but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even (along with) holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the 1. feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Leviticus 23:15-16
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; 2. (feast of weeks) seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye (Pentecost/Shavuot on the 50th day) number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Leviticus 23:34-39
34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying , The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the 3.feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein
37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
as mentioned above in the scriptures, there are 3 feasts, and confirmed below they are listed.
Exodus 23:14 Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year.
Deuteronomy 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose ; in the 1. feast of unleavened bread, and in the 2. feast of weeks, and in the 3. feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:
And as I mentioned previously
2 Chronicles 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the 1.feast of unleavened bread, and in the 2. feast of weeks, and in the 3. feast of tabernacles.
Leviticus 23:2-8
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3 Six days shall work be done : but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even (along with) holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the 1. feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Leviticus 23:15-16
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; 2. (feast of weeks) seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye (Pentecost/Shavuot on the 50th day) number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Leviticus 23:34-39
34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying , The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the 3.feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein
37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
as mentioned above in the scriptures, there are 3 feasts, and confirmed below they are listed.
Exodus 23:14 Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year.
Deuteronomy 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose ; in the 1. feast of unleavened bread, and in the 2. feast of weeks, and in the 3. feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:
And as I mentioned previously
2 Chronicles 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the 1.feast of unleavened bread, and in the 2. feast of weeks, and in the 3. feast of tabernacles.
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This is the problem with not understanding Greek and using internet tools, instead of scholarly books!!
καινός or kainos in A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by Bauer and Danke in the nominative case means the following.
1. Pertaining to being in existence for a relatively short time; new, unused eg. Matt 9:17, Mark 2:22, Luke 5:58, Matt 27:60, Mark 2:21, Luke 5:36, Matt. 13:52.
2. Pertaining to being not previously present, unknown, strange, remarkable. eg. Mark 1:27, Acts 17:19, John 13:34, 1 John 2:7, Mark 16:17, Acts 17:21.
3. Pertaining to that which is recent in contrast to something old; in the sense that what is old has become obsolete, and should be replaced by what is new; eg. Matt 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Hebrews 8:8, 13; 9:15 2 Peter 3:13, Rev. 21:1, etc.
Neos or νέος only appears once in the New Testament, in SBL and Stephanus in Luke 5:37.
"[SUP]37 [/SUP]και ουδεις βαλλει οινον νεον εις ασκους παλαιους ει δε μηγε ρηξει ο νεος οινος τους ασκους και αυτος εκχυθησεται και οι ασκοι απολουνται." Luke 5:37
"And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled, and the skins will be destroyed." Luke 5:37
Neos has the alternate meaning of "younger."
Please do not make doctrinal statements based on a very faulty knowledge of Koine Greek!
καινός or kainos in A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by Bauer and Danke in the nominative case means the following.
1. Pertaining to being in existence for a relatively short time; new, unused eg. Matt 9:17, Mark 2:22, Luke 5:58, Matt 27:60, Mark 2:21, Luke 5:36, Matt. 13:52.
2. Pertaining to being not previously present, unknown, strange, remarkable. eg. Mark 1:27, Acts 17:19, John 13:34, 1 John 2:7, Mark 16:17, Acts 17:21.
3. Pertaining to that which is recent in contrast to something old; in the sense that what is old has become obsolete, and should be replaced by what is new; eg. Matt 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Hebrews 8:8, 13; 9:15 2 Peter 3:13, Rev. 21:1, etc.
Neos or νέος only appears once in the New Testament, in SBL and Stephanus in Luke 5:37.
"[SUP]37 [/SUP]και ουδεις βαλλει οινον νεον εις ασκους παλαιους ει δε μηγε ρηξει ο νεος οινος τους ασκους και αυτος εκχυθησεται και οι ασκοι απολουνται." Luke 5:37
"And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled, and the skins will be destroyed." Luke 5:37
Neos has the alternate meaning of "younger."
Please do not make doctrinal statements based on a very faulty knowledge of Koine Greek!
Re: Gods covenants
To accommodate the Jews (1Co 9:20), Paul bound himself for a time with the Nazarite vow
to avoid wine, strong drink and cutting of his hair.
He needed to go to Jerusalem to complete the rites required when his vow was fulfilled (Ac 21:24, 26).
This particular incident was not about keeping a feast,
but about going to Jerusalem for another reason at the time of the feast.
And yes, we know Paul accommodated himself to the Jews by keeping some of the observances.
To accommodate the Jews (1Co 9:20), Paul bound himself for a time with the Nazarite vow
to avoid wine, strong drink and cutting of his hair.
He needed to go to Jerusalem to complete the rites required when his vow was fulfilled (Ac 21:24, 26).
This particular incident was not about keeping a feast,
but about going to Jerusalem for another reason at the time of the feast.
And yes, we know Paul accommodated himself to the Jews by keeping some of the observances.
As I understand it, the feast of tabernacles involve the understanding of all that God has ever done, and all He is going to do. It is a major convocation during the millennial reign. This feast was given in the Old Testament as a rehearsal for that future time, and should be practiced with its teaching for the church today.
Zechariah14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up , and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zechariah14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up , and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?
no that post still does not say what you want.
34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation.
And the rest will I set in order when I come.
they where eating a meal,
28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
only worthy people to partake.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, (and keep the ordinances,)
as I delivered them to you
18For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there
be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said,
Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying,
This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
do this on the night to be most remembered, in honor of blood sacrifice
no that post still does not say what you want.
34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation.
And the rest will I set in order when I come.
they where eating a meal,
28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
only worthy people to partake.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, (and keep the ordinances,)
as I delivered them to you
18For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there
be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said,
Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying,
This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
do this on the night to be most remembered, in honor of blood sacrifice
Elin you keep saying we are born again already,
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
that is an deception
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
that is an deception
Read chps 9, 10, 11 of Romans and get back to me.
I'm curious, are you an American citizen?
Re: Gods covenants
Paul was not even told to take the vow until he was in Jerusalem. Why would he need to go for the feast to keep a vow he did not even know about yet? Also Paul was not a hypocrite. If he kept the observances he did not do it because of how others felt. Paul keeping the observances to accommodate some Jews is pure speculation. He would have kept the observances all along and took the vow to show his fruit.
Acts 21:17-26
[SUP]17 [/SUP]When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers and sisters received us warmly. [SUP]18 [/SUP]The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. [SUP]21 [/SUP]They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. [SUP]22 [/SUP]What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, [SUP]23 [/SUP]so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. [SUP]25 [/SUP]As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.
Paul was not even told to take the vow until he was in Jerusalem. Why would he need to go for the feast to keep a vow he did not even know about yet? Also Paul was not a hypocrite. If he kept the observances he did not do it because of how others felt. Paul keeping the observances to accommodate some Jews is pure speculation. He would have kept the observances all along and took the vow to show his fruit.
Acts 21:17-26
[SUP]17 [/SUP]When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers and sisters received us warmly. [SUP]18 [/SUP]The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. [SUP]21 [/SUP]They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. [SUP]22 [/SUP]What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, [SUP]23 [/SUP]so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. [SUP]25 [/SUP]As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.