Nothing new about the "new" covenant?

[achduke]

You are nullifying his declaration of nullification.

When God gives the terms of nullification, and they are met, his commitment is nullified.

Sorry you don't agree with the Scriptures.

Where does it show God nullified his covenants? He talks about restoring the descendants of Israel when they turn back to and OBEY him for everything he commanded.

Deuteronomy 30:1-3 When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the Lord your God disperses you among the nations, [SUP]2 [/SUP]and when you and your children return to the Lord your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, [SUP]3 [/SUP]then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you.

 

[Elin]

As I understand it, the feast of tabernacles involve the understanding of all that God has ever done, and all He is going to do. It is a major convocation during the millennial reign. This feast was given in the Old Testament as a rehearsal for that future time, and should be practiced with its teaching for the church today.

Zechariah14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up , and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Others interpret the same prophetic riddles to mean things entirely different.

All private interpretation of prophetic riddles is uncertain, and not authoritative.

I base my understanding on certain NT teaching only, which is authoritative.

 

[Elin]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

no that post still does not say what you want.

34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation.
And the rest will I set in order when I come.

they where eating a meal,

28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

only worthy people to partake.

2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, (and keep the ordinances,)
as I delivered them to you

18For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there
be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.


23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said,
Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying,
This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

do this on the night to be most remembered, in honor of blood sacrifice

You're repeating yourself.

Previously addressed in post #133, here.

 

[prove-all]

Others interpret the same prophetic riddles to mean things entirely different.

All private interpretation of prophetic riddles is uncertain, and not authoritative.

I base my understanding on certain NT teaching only, which is authoritative.

all interpretation is given, this is not a riddle, mabe to some it is.

nt teaches you should know these things and can give to my kids, not a mystery

no private interpratation , only from the bible

 

[Elin]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

Paul was not even told to take the vow until he was in Jerusalem. Why would he need to go for the feast to keep a vow he did not even know about yet? Also Paul was not a hypocrite. If he kept the observances he did not do it because of how others felt.
Paul keeping the observances to accommodate some Jews is pure speculation. He would have kept the observances all along and took the vow to show his fruit.

Have you read 1Co 9:20-23?

 

[Elin]

When did we start talking about the Abrahamic covenant? You said yourself that they broke the Sinaitic covenant in Jer 11.

In comparison only.

 

[Elin]

Where does it show God nullified his covenants?

Previously addressed in post #146, here.

 

[prove-all]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

Have you read 1Co 9:20-23?

have you read this

such as Ephesians 5:23, 1 Timothy 2:11-15

 

[Elin]

all interpretation is given, this is not a riddle, mabe to some it is.

nt teaches you should know these things and can give to my kids, not a mystery

no private interpratation , only from the bible

And others interpret the same thing from the Bible entirely differently than you do.

So do you mean from the Bible like Da 2:36-45 or Rev 17:9-18?

Because that is the meaning of certain and authoritative Biblical interpretation.

Everything else is private and uncertain interpretation of riddles, subject to more than one meaning.

 

[Elin]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

have you read this

such as Ephesians 5:23, 1 Timothy 2:11-15

I've read the whole Bible and believe every word of it.

 

[prove-all]

And others interpret the same thing from the Bible entirely differently than you do.

So do you mean from the Bible like Da 2:36-45 or Rev 17:9-18?

Because that is the meaning of certain and authoritative Biblical interpretation.

Everything else is private and uncertain interpretation of riddles, subject to more than one meaning.

no i was talking about this

Zechariah14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass,

ther is no riddle there........

 

[prove-all]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

I've read the whole Bible and believe every word of it.

then do you keep the feast

are unauthorized easter

or preach

 

[Elin]

no i was talking about this

Zechariah14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass,

ther is no riddle there........

And yet others interpret it to mean things entirely different.

Both are private and uncertain interpretation of the passage, and neither are authoritative.

 

[chubbena]

That's "he hath made the first old." (Heb 8:13)


But "has been made old (palaioo--worn out by time and use; abrogate)" says that.

Hebrews 8:13 reads: By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

The Hebrew writer said what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Just-me refers to the temple and we all know the temple has disappeared.

Some refer to the covenant, the law and the prophets or part thereof in the first 39 books in the bible also know as the scripture. Well, they are still there in the bible from one manuscript to the other, one translation to the other, from one publisher to the other and from one publication to the next.

One might just see why.

 

[LEPIDUS]

I understand your frustration at not being able to show your view from the NT.

This is the view that I presented, and if you read carefully I used both NEW and OLD TESTAMENT scripture.

The "New" Covenant




Hebrews 8:10-13 NT
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:




11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.




12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.




13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.




Also found in:




Jeremiah 31:31-34 OT
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:




32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:




33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.




34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.




However, if we see in the greek text we find that the word "new" is not really new in the sense of it never existing before but rather new in quality.




Hebrew 8:13 (KJV)
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.




In greek text this verse translates as:




Hebrew 8:13 (Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550)
ἐν τῷ λέγειν Καινὴν πεπαλαίωκεν τὴν πρώτην· τὸ δὲ παλαιούμενον καὶ γηράσκον ἐγγὺς ἀφανισμοῦ




The definition:




2537 kainós – properly, new in quality (innovation), fresh in development or opportunity – because "not found exactly like this before."




3501 néos – new ("new on the scene"); recently revealed or "what was not there before" (TDNT), including what is recently discovered.




3501 /néos ("new on the scene") suggests something "new in time" – in contrast to its near-synonym (2537 /kainós, "new in quality").




Now if it said neos then I can take it as new as it never existing before but it doesn't use neos.




Additionally, this "new" covenant was already established with the house of Isreal. Therefore, it cannot be "new".




I've broken down the "new" covenant.




Hebrew 8: NT
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:




Deuteronomy 6:6 OT
And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:




Exodus 6:7
7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the Lord your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.




Hebrew 8:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.




Isaiah 54:
13 And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.




Hebrew 8:
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.




Psalms 103:
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.




Someone please explain how the new covenant is "new". I think, Ideally the "old" covenant was always intended to be followed by heart but the people had hearts of stone, and in turn were unable to grasp the purpose of his commandments. They tried to keep them by their means which failed horribly.




Ezekiel 11:
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:




20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.




Now if we look at the "new" commandment found in John 13:34 we find the same Greek word for new.




John 13:34 (KJV) NT
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.




John 13:34 (Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550)
ἐντολὴν καινὴν δίδωμι ὑμῖν ἵνα ἀγαπᾶτε ἀλλήλους καθὼς ἠγάπησα ὑμᾶς ἵνα καὶ ὑμεῖς ἀγαπᾶτε ἀλλήλους




But again it was previously commanded.




Leviticus 19: OT
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.




I know there are other verses that have the same "new" word and I find it interesting how it changes meaning, point, etc. but maybe that should be for another thread. I just wanted to put my two cents on the "new" covenant. If someone has a different understanding feel free to reply.

So I have presented my view not only with THE OLD TESTAMENT but with THE NEW TESTAMENT. Again, if that doesn't suit you, that is not my problem.

But this is an open forum.

I'm glad you have nothing better to do than try to prove me wrong.

Are you not in complete control of that?

OK, I see what you want, you want to have the last say. lol.

 

[LEPIDUS]

Previously addressed in post #146, here.

You keep saying that, but have not addressed anything. You just go in circle presenting arguments with biased interpretation.

 

[just-me]

Others interpret the same prophetic riddles to mean things entirely different.

All private interpretation of prophetic riddles is uncertain, and not authoritative.

I base my understanding on certain NT teaching only, which is authoritative.

That's evident.

 

[prove-all]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

I've read the whole Bible and believe every word of it.

my bible tells me the Sabbath was Holy to God long ago.

my bible tells me the Sabbath will be observed by everyone in the future.

my bible tells me it is a sign that we are his, and not take the anti sign or mark.

Jesus keep the Sabbath, deciples keep it, one of the oracales of God.

I keep it because God says he will live in me if i do.

and God is the same forever.


you can keep any day you want , not my concern except to warn.


so i hope we are all ready for the day of atoinment,


or did Jesus do away with that too.

 

[LEPIDUS]

Others interpret the same prophetic riddles to mean things entirely different.

All private interpretation of prophetic riddles is uncertain, and not authoritative.

I base my understanding on certain NT teaching only, which is authoritative.

I question your understanding

 

[LEPIDUS]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

Addressed in post #117,

. AGAIN


Previously addressed in post #109, [/QUOTE].AGAIN

That is private and uncertain interpretation of prophetic riddles,
which can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.

What is certain in NT teaching is that Jesus sits at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty
in heaven now.

There is nothing in certain NT teaching about Jesus sitting on David's earthly throne.

I take my understanding from certain NT teaching,
not from prophetic riddles subject to private and uncertain differing interpretations.

Still question it.