Trinity?

[newbirth]

Exactly. God is one. And yet the holy spirit and Jesus had unique identities that God empowered.

John 14:16-21

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [SUP]17 [/SUP]even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. [SUP]20 [/SUP]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. [SUP]21 [/SUP]He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.




God is a spirit. How can we argue then? That he is not the holy spirit whom Jesus refers to?
Jesus was God. Jesus said so himself during his ministry.

And Jesus is the HS....So now you know there is but One God the Father and one lord Jesus Christ
2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 

[Bowman]

If the Father is God and God is Spirit then Father is Spirit. How can you not understand? There is no trinity-never was.

That logic is not confirmed by scripture.

You are connecting scriptural dots which simply do not exist.

If the Father is God and The Spirit is God, as you concede...then the only conclusion that you can draw is that each is God....NOT that they are each other!

The Trinity is bullet proof.

 

[Bowman]

Who raised Jesus from the dead ?

The Trinity.

 

[Bowman]

The word, Elohim, is just like the word, sheep. Whether I have five sheep or one sheep it's still sheep. Moses was called, Elohim, and we know he is one person.

Exodus 4:16 So he shall be your spokesman to the people. And he himself shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as God (Elohim).

Where is Moses ever called Yahweh Elohim...?

Interpreting, "Let us make man in our image" to mean Jesus was there is a man made interpretation. God is always surrounded by His angelic host. When He created everything it was the angelic host He was referring to.

Pure garbage.

He created man, 'bara', bara', 'bara'....three times over....obviously as His Triune image and likeness.

 

[Kerry]

Elohim is the term used by all creation to acknowledge God, after the fall He became Jehovah or YHWH meaning Father.AS He is the Father he had a son and sent Him to redeem us. In Fact 1 of the Trinity became a man by child birth, Jesus was born of a virgin and Jesus had The DNA of a Human and God. He prayed to the Father and relied on the Holy Spirit. To read the bible and not say a Godhead is foolish. Paul refers to the God head and he only had the OT to go by.

 

[Bowman]

Jesus Himself said it was God who made man, not Him.

Mark 10:5-6And Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’

Isa 54.5

For your Makers (plural) are your husbands (plural); Yahweh of Hosts is His name; and your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel; He is called the God of all the earth.

 

[Bowman]

God always includes His angelic host when He speaks. We find the same thing in Isaiah 6:1-8. Notice the angelic host the surrounds the throne of God. It was these beings that included in His question just like it was the angelic host that God referred two when He said, "Let us make man in our image".

According to your unitarian logic, then angels have the power to create...


Psalm 149.2


Let Israel rejoice in his Makers (plural); let the sons of Zion be joyful in their King.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

[SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

That does not prove that Jesus was NOT created.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

According to your unitarian logic, then angels have the power to create...


Psalm 149.2


Let Israel rejoice in his Makers (plural); let the sons of Zion be joyful in their King.

According to the Bible, God and Jesus had the discussion to create man and the angels were not involved with the creation at all.

 

[directline2iam]

That does not prove that Jesus was NOT created.

Jesus said, search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life; and they (the scriptures) are the scriptures that testify of me. How could God create Himself, you'd have to ask Him that one.
I think therefore i am and Father and Son thought of me, therefore IAM.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Jesus said, search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life; and they (the scriptures) are the scriptures that testify of me. How could God create Himself, you'd have to ask Him that one.
I think therefore i am and Father and Son thought of me, therefore IAM.

Please provide the texts to prove what you are saying.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

I don't know what you're trying to communicate here but there is only one God.

And Jesus is the HS....So now you know there is but One God the Father and one lord Jesus Christ
2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

The Trinity.

Prove your statement with texts from the Bible. There is NO Trinity.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

That does not prove that Jesus was NOT created.

Jesus was the son of man. Beget upon Mary. That's as far as the creation of the man Jesus goes.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Isa 54.5

For your Makers (plural) are your husbands (plural); Yahweh of Hosts is His name; and your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel; He is called the God of all the earth.

Please provide me proof from the Bible that God's name is Yahweh.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Elohim is the term used by all creation to acknowledge God, after the fall He became Jehovah or YHWH meaning Father.AS He is the Father he had a son and sent Him to redeem us. In Fact 1 of the Trinity became a man by child birth, Jesus was born of a virgin and Jesus had The DNA of a Human and God. He prayed to the Father and relied on the Holy Spirit. To read the bible and not say a Godhead is foolish. Paul refers to the God head and he only had the OT to go by.

Please provide me with texts from the Bible to prove that God's name is Johovah?

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Elohim is the term used by all creation to acknowledge God, after the fall He became Jehovah or YHWH meaning Father.AS He is the Father he had a son and sent Him to redeem us. In Fact 1 of the Trinity became a man by child birth, Jesus was born of a virgin and Jesus had The DNA of a Human and God. He prayed to the Father and relied on the Holy Spirit. To read the bible and not say a Godhead is foolish. Paul refers to the God head and he only had the OT to go by.

That's news to me that they could already do DNA tests that time. Where did you get this fact as it is definitely not from the Bible? The Trinity is also not a Biblical teaching unless you can prove it with texts from the Bible.

 

[blue_ladybug]

That's news to me that they could already do DNA tests that time. Where did you get this fact as it is definitely not from the Bible? The Trinity is also not a Biblical teaching unless you can prove it with texts from the Bible.

Originally Posted by Kerry

Elohim is the term used by all creation to acknowledge God, after the fall He became Jehovah or YHWH meaning Father.AS He is the Father he had a son and sent Him to redeem us. In Fact 1 of the Trinity became a man by child birth, Jesus was born of a virgin and Jesus had the DNA of a human and God. He prayed to the Father and relied on the Holy Spirit. To read the bible and not say a Godhead is foolish. Paul refers to the God head and he only had the OT to go by.


Kerry did not say that they could do DNA tests in Jesus' time. He said that "Jesus had the DNA of a human AND God." There is a difference between the two statements. Dont twist people's sentences into something that they did not say. The Trinity consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Matthew 3:16-17 states: And Jesus,when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water, and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Holy Spirit descending like a dove, and lightning upon him; and lo, a voice (God) from heaven spake, saying this is my beloved son in whom I am well-pleased.

 

[goodnewsanonomys]

Bible was originally written in greek and latin and it said yahweh over 7000 times in original scriptures yahweh translated english mean jehovah don't believe me look in the king james bible psalms 83:18 don't look in new james or niv bible cause they clearly tampered with out not only replacing jehovah with lord but there are actually quite a few missing verses in those bibles.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Please provide me proof from the Bible that God's name is Yahweh.

(2) Yahweh (YHWH): Comes from a verb which means “to exist, be.” This, plus its usage, shows that this name stresses God as the independent and self-existent God of revelation and redemption (Gen. 4:3; Ex. 6:3 (cf. 3:14); 3:12).
Compounds of Yahweh: Strictly speaking, these compounds are designations or titles which reveal additional facts about God’s character.

• Yahweh Jireh (Yireh): “The Lord will provide.” Stresses God’s provision for His people (Gen. 22:14).
• Yahweh Nissi:“The Lord is my Banner.” Stresses that God is our rallying point and our means of victory; the one who fights for His people (Ex. 17:15).
• Yahweh Shalom:“The Lord is Peace.” Points to the Lord as the means of our peace and rest (Jud. 6:24).
• Yahweh Sabbaoth:“The Lord of Hosts.” A military figure portraying the Lord as the commander of the armies of heaven (1 Sam. 1:3; 17:45).
• Yahweh Maccaddeshcem: “The Lord your Sanctifier.” Portrays the Lord as our means of sanctification or as the one who sets believers apart for His purposes (Ex. 31:13).
• Yahweh Ro’i: “The Lord my Shepherd.” Portrays the Lord as the Shepherd who cares for His people as a shepherd cares for the sheep of his pasture (Ps. 23:1).
• Yahweh Tsidkenu: “The Lord our Righteousness.” Portrays the Lord as the means of our righteousness (Jer. 23:6).
• Yahweh Shammah: “The Lord is there.” Portrays the Lord’s personal presence in the millennial kingdom (Ezek. 48:35).
• Yahweh Elohim Israel: “The Lord, the God of Israel.” Identifies Yahweh as the God of Israel in contrast to the false gods of the nations (Jud. 5:3.; Isa. 17:6).

(5) Kurios: Greek word translated “Lord.” Stresses authority and supremacy. While it can mean sir (John 4:11), owner (Luke 19:33), master (Col. 3:22), or even refer to idols (1 Cor. 8:5) or husbands (1 Pet. 3:6), it is used mostly as the equivalent of Yahweh of the Old Testament. It too is used of Jesus Christ meaning (1) Rabbi or Sir (Matt. 8:6); (2) God or Deity (John 20:28; Acts 2:36; Rom. 10:9; Phil. 2:11). (**Source=Names of God**)