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Alternative view: atheism is a position of strident irreligion. In defense of strident irreligion, some will exercise extreme devotion to advance their worldview.
Has anyone never experienced guilt? It is likely that we felt guilty because we were guilty. The universal experience of guilt is evidence of universal principles of law and morality and of a Supreme standard setter. Prayerful pleas for mercy are better than counter-arguments or denials.
Has anyone never experienced guilt? It is likely that we felt guilty because we were guilty. The universal experience of guilt is evidence of universal principles of law and morality and of a Supreme standard setter. Prayerful pleas for mercy are better than counter-arguments or denials.
No, never. If I had felt that I'd probably be a believer today.
No, nothing of the sort. I just started questioning things when I was about ten years old. I've spoken of this before but the first issue for me was the claim that God had always existed. That didn't make any sense in my mind. In my understanding everything had a beginning. I didn't immediately question God's existence though. Instead I tried to reason where God might have come from. I don't suppose this is anything you have ever wondered about?
No, nothing of the sort. I just started questioning things when I was about ten years old. I've spoken of this before but the first issue for me was the claim that God had always existed. That didn't make any sense in my mind. In my understanding everything had a beginning. I didn't immediately question God's existence though. Instead I tried to reason where God might have come from. I don't suppose this is anything you have ever wondered about?
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I don't believe that your moment of conversion (your words) has passed. The fact that you are here tells me that you are torn between two religions. You lean heavily toward Atheism, but you still want to have what we have found through Christ. I pray that you find it here. I made my living as a scientist and an engineer. I have experienced every possible reason to deny Christ. On a business trip one day, one of my associates began discussing his experience with Christ and how great the Christian community that he had moved into was. I brushed it off. A few months later, I was sitting in my project supervisor's (devout Catholic) office. His children had returned from a Baptist camp. He told me how his children had changed, and asked me "How does your Baptist salvation thing work?" I told him "I don't like to discuss religion on the job." About six months later I was assigned a financial analyst to help me price out the job. I thought it was strange that someone would start each work session with a prayer, and end her work day with a prayer of thanksgiving. To make a long story short, I, a Christian from age 14, well educated in the scriptures (learned to read in my mother's lap using it), had no idea what God expected His children to do. It would be another four years before I found out how much God had been working in my life. (you can read my testimony on another thread) Today almost forty years since I committed the rest of my life to God's service, the only regret that I have, was not paying attention to those little prods and waiting for near disaster to stop questioning and start doing. I pray that you will look down the road that God has prepared for you, and follow it.
Yes, Cycel i used to wonder where did God come from, who made him, all those questions. Then i realised that he was in the beginning and that he created us, the earth. I also questioned why did he let there be evil in the world. Then i read it was
the enemy's rebellion and pride, mans fall in the garden. No it does not seem fair we all have to pay, but that is why Jesus
(God in the Christ) came to reconcile us back to him.
the enemy's rebellion and pride, mans fall in the garden. No it does not seem fair we all have to pay, but that is why Jesus
(God in the Christ) came to reconcile us back to him.
Perhaps in some cases, but this is true even of some Christians.
Maybe so, in his case, but this is not necessarily how all atheists feel, perhaps not even the great majority. All we can do is go on a case by case basis. I know from my own close call that the prospect of death is not frightening. My personal experience taught me that when I am again very, very ill, and on my death bed, I will see death as a welcome release. I was on death's door (in case you missed my earlier post), hospitalized for a week and then two weeks recovering at home when it occurred to me that in that whole time I hadn't thought of God once. I am not saying all atheists are like me, probably many are not, but who knows? My point is that sweeping generalizations often prove well off the mark.
Maybe so, in his case, but this is not necessarily how all atheists feel, perhaps not even the great majority. All we can do is go on a case by case basis. I know from my own close call that the prospect of death is not frightening. My personal experience taught me that when I am again very, very ill, and on my death bed, I will see death as a welcome release. I was on death's door (in case you missed my earlier post), hospitalized for a week and then two weeks recovering at home when it occurred to me that in that whole time I hadn't thought of God once. I am not saying all atheists are like me, probably many are not, but who knows? My point is that sweeping generalizations often prove well off the mark.
Trying to change the subject? Not surprised.
I don't expect you to have a rational explanation for the question: Where did God come from? I couldn't think of one either. That's why believers always settle for, 'Oh, he's always been here.' I think if you really want to figure it out you have to look to history and the slow evolution of a social idea that possibly had its beginning in the late Bronze Age. Now, that's hinting at my world view.
I don't expect you to have a rational explanation for the question: Where did God come from? I couldn't think of one either. That's why believers always settle for, 'Oh, he's always been here.' I think if you really want to figure it out you have to look to history and the slow evolution of a social idea that possibly had its beginning in the late Bronze Age. Now, that's hinting at my world view.
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Well Cycel where do you think your going, To oblivion, like a deer. You think so little of yourself that you will die like a dog? Wait Dogs came before man right according to Darwin a man that was smart. Then our brains got bigger and we walked up right and built cities and arenas and temples and invented Gods to worship. What animal does that? you see no God, yet He is all over you and you refuse.
Where did it come from? What do you mean? Native Americans on both the northern and southern continents lived in the stone age (except perhaps for the Mayas and Aztecs), and some tribes still do. The Stone Age existed and in places still does. I don't understand your meaning.
Kerry, you are rambling.
Kerry, you are rambling.