Daniel 9:27

ELECT · Aug 24, 2014

This seventy-week period, equals 490 years, as there are 490 days in 70 weeks. At the end of this 490-year period, reconciliation was to be made for iniquity, and a means provided to forgive sins, or to make an end of sins; also to anoint the Most Holy.

Verse 25: The angel gave Daniel assurance that his prayers were going to be answered and a commandment would go forth sometime in the future to restore and to build Jerusalem. This gave him great hope and joy for the future of the city and people he loved. From the going forth of this commandment until the coming of the Messiah there was to be 69 weeks. After the "three score and two weeks" (one score being 20), the Messiah was to be cut off, but not for Himself. It was for others that he was to be cut off.

verse 26 carefully, that after He is cut off there is to be a destruction of Jerusalem and a period of desolation.

GaryA · Aug 25, 2014

Jason0047 said:

No. Your suggestion that 'he' ( same 'he' as the other two ) sets up the Abomination of Desolation is incorrect.

All three words 'he' in Daniel 9:27 are referring to Christ.

The phrase 'and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate' is not describing the Abomination of Desolation -- it is referring to the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D.

Jason0047 said:

No, it is not.

A proper understanding of the 'grammar of the language' is all that is required to see that your statement is not true.

GaryA · Aug 25, 2014

Jason0047 said:

Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week.

I believe you are misinterpreting the timing of the beginning statement of Daniel 9:26.

ELECT · Aug 25, 2014

Jason0047 said:

there was to be 70 weeks or 490 years after this commandment went forth until the Messiah came. Also that he was to be cut off and reconciliation would be made for iniquity, that is a means of forgiving sins, etc.

the New Testament and read in the ending chapters of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where these events happened and find the date given at the top of the page 33 A.D. It was 457 B.C. when the commandment went forth and thus the prophecy was fulfilled.

his 70 weeks was determined upon "THY PEOPLE," the Jews. -Verse 24. Notice also that there is another week not yet accounted for. - Verse 27. In the midst of this week, the Messiah was to cause the sacrifice to cease. Then following there was to be an overspreading of abomination and the land was to be desolate "UNTIL THE CONSUMATION.

GaryA · Aug 25, 2014

Jason0047 said:

How is it that an / the Anti-Christ ( a person ) will desecrate a temple that is already an abomination to God?

Jason0047 · Aug 25, 2014

GaryA said:

"It has all been unfolded..."

Daniel's 70th week is 100% past history.

Daniel 9:

[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [SUP]25[/SUP] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [SUP]26[/SUP] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Do you realize and understand that the parts in bold of the passage above actually occurred after the end of the 70 weeks?

Yeah, sorry. When I read Revelation, I have not seen anything remotely happening like this in history. For example: The fourth seal alone will be one of th the largest death tolls in human history. Also, there was darkness, demons killing people. The 2 witnesses.

Kerry · Aug 25, 2014

Believe in the cross and you want have to worry about it,

Jason0047 · Aug 25, 2014

Kerry said:

I believe Eschatology is important to know because it is in our Bible. God does not want us to be ignorant of what is to come and or to teach falsely about the End Times. For what we write here could be read by those in the future who do live in the End Times and that means that the work we do here will help (If it is God's will and plan). So I disagree that we shouldn't worry about Eschatology. However, if someone were to believe that Eschatology is not important, then they should take a black magic marker and cross out the Olivet Discourse and rip out the pages of Revelation.

Jason0047 · Aug 25, 2014

ELECT said:

One thing you are ignoring. Verse 26 mentions the people of the prince who had destroyed the temple. Tell me. When did the conversation change to talk about the Messiah again in verse 27? Is it not talking about the prince (antichrist) seeing it was the last major person or being referenced?

Jason0047 · Aug 25, 2014

People of the prince destroy the temple. This is not a good guy. And princes have been referenced as demons. Take for example the Prince of Persia in Daniel 10:13. This was a demon that was preventing Daniel's angel in reaching him.

watcher2013 · Aug 25, 2014

Jason0047 said:

in the prophecy of 70 weeks :
How long was allotted for the destruction of the city and the sanctuary?

KJV1611 · Aug 25, 2014

Jason0047 said:

I think the definition of "confirm" may help. Confirm - establish the truth or correctness of (something previously believed, suspected, or feared to be the case).

According to Daniel 9:27, the confirmation of the covenant is a one week process... it doesn't say the covenant is a one week covenant, it says the confirmation process is one week.

The covenant that Jesus confirms in Daniel 9:27 is the covenant given to Abraham which is exactly the same as the New Testament. Abraham believed God (faith) and God counted it as righteousness.... the righteousness of Christ was imputed to Abraham.... Abraham was in Christ, the same as we are in Christ.

The week is not 49 years. One week is exactly one week. Now you have to rightly divide, is one week literally 7 days, I don't think it is. What other week do we find in the bible? The Feast of Weeks. The Feast of Weeks occur once a year... so one week is equal to one year.

Exo_34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

GaryA · Aug 25, 2014

Jason0047 said:

Your question is answered by the 'grammar of the language'.

Daniel 9:

[SUP]26[/SUP] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The part in bold is what I like to call an 'aside'. The main thought process is temporarily suspended, and returns after the aside.

The word 'people' is plural, and cannot be the target of the word 'he' in verse 27.

The phrase 'of the prince' is prepositional; therefore, the word 'prince' cannot be the target of the word 'he' in verse 27.

The word 'he' in verse 27 refers back to the word 'Messiah' in verse 26.

Jason0047 · Aug 25, 2014

watcher2013 said:

It doesn't really give us that information here in Daniel 9. In verse 26, it says "AFTER" not "AT" when the Messiah is cut off at the (7 weeks (for building of the Temple) +) 62 weeks is when the people of the prince shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Verse 25 says that the going forth from the Commandment to rebuild Temple to the Messiah is 7 weeks + 62 Weeks.

7 Weeks = Rebuilding of Temple.
+ 62 Weeks = Messiah.

At 62 Week added equation point (Which would include the 7 weeks prior) which would total 69 Weeks is when Messiah is cut off. After the Messiah is cut off at 69 Weeks is when the people of the prince (not a good guy because he is destroying the Temple) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

The language is confusing to some people in this prophecy because it is referring to the 62 Weeks including the 7 because it already gave you the full equation 7 + 62 prior in verse 25. It is looking at this prophecy as if it was a Math Problem on a chalk board.

Jason0047 · Aug 25, 2014

GaryA said:

At first glance it sounds all well and good but in order for this reading to work, you will have to ignore the chronology of the events, though. For the prophecy is speaking chronologically.

Verse 24 is summary mention of all 70 Weeks.
Verse 25 is summary mention of rebuilding Temple (7 Weeks) to Messiah (+ 62 Weeks).
Verse 26 is saying after the added 62 week equation marker (69 Weeks total) of when Messiah is cut off is when city and sanctuary is destroyed.
Verse 27 (still following along chronologically) is when this "he" shall confirm a covenant for a week. This is not implimenting an everlasting covenant. This is merely confirming one. Not making one to go into effect (Which was done with Christ's death).

In other words, for your reading to work, we are going to have to ignore the flow of chronology of how these events are mentioned. Unless you want to believe that Jesus comes twice or something in verse 27. But why would Jesus need to confirm a covennt after the destruction of the Temple if He already put the New Covenant into effect with his death upon the cross?

watcher2013 · Aug 25, 2014

Jason0047 said:

Don't you think your interpretation lacks the true meaning of the prophecy because the prophecy is about:
1. thy people
2. thy holy city
now if the main prophecy is about the two..then certainly it will give the period about the city.
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
Now if:
the 7 + 62 is up until the messiah.

Is it reasonable then to conclude that the last week is for the destruction of the city and the sanctuary...

john832 · Aug 25, 2014

watcher2013 said:

So, did it take seven days or seven years to destroy Jerusalem? It took neither and this is what puts your theory in question.

Jason0047 · Aug 25, 2014

watcher2013 said:

The New Testament says, all things work together for good to those that love God. This is evident in the story of Joseph of when he told his brothers that what they intended for evil, God intended it for good. Also, Daniel 9:24 also says, "and to seal up the vision and prophecy,"

Jesus spoke of prophecy of the End Times.

In Matthew 24, Jesus warned his disciples that if they see the Abonimation of desolations standing in the holy place (Spoken of by Daniel the prophet, they that were in Judea are to flee to the mountains).

In Matthew 24, "standing in the holy place" fits with making "the sacrifice and oblation to cease" in Daniel 9:27. For if one were to stand in the holy place (temple), they could easily stop the sacrifices there. Also, it mentions two words (that are practically identical) that Jesus talked about. Abominations = Abomination. Desolations = Desolate. Jesus said, he that reads, let him understand. In other words, Jesus is leading you to read about these words; And God (Christ) is not the author of confusion. He is not going to tell you to read Daniel and place words that are similar so as to confuse you.

Jason0047 · Aug 25, 2014

Also, we know Jesus is referencing Daniel 9 (Not only because amost identitical words "Abomination" and "Desolatations" are used), but because Jesus says, "whoso readeth, let him understand." (Matthew 24:15). I was reading thru Daniel 9 again in various different translations (Which makes things clearer) and I came back to the KJV to discover something in verse 25. It says, "know therefore and understand." (Daniel 9:25).

Jason0047 · Aug 25, 2014

So in defense of a proper interpretation of Daniel 9:27: We have,

#1. A normal reading in context (of looking at the last person or being referenced).
#2. Everything flows chronologically.
#3. Almost identical words are used to tie in what Jesus said in regards to the Abomination of Desolations.
#4. Jesus said, "whosoever readeth, let him understand" which ties into the passage in Daniel 9:25 saying the same thing.
#5. It makes sense (Unlike other interpretations). For the New Covenant was not confirmed for one week. The New Covenant was put into effect eternally with Jesus Christ's death (Read Jeremiah 32, Hebrews 8, and Hebrews 9).
#6. Harmony of the Scriptures: Paul talks about the man of sin who will declare himself to be God within the temple. No doubt this is the future Jewish Temple (That has not been rebuilt yet).

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