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This is speaking of The Great Tribulation my dear friend, and when the beast shall use the mark as a way to get others to worship it which is why it says "the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up" since we are the temple (and it's speaking of the place where we worship):
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" 1 Corinthians 3:16
"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Romans 6:16
"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people." 2 Corinthians 6:16
"In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:" Ephesians 2:21
""Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.." Daniel 11:37
"And he shall speak great words against the most High." Daniel 7:25
"5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven" Revelation 13:5-6
"10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days." Daniel 12:10-13
Jesus speaks of this also in Matthew 24, Mark 13,and in Luke 21
(also the beast is an it, it takes on many forms, read this and scroll down to where it says Is the Horn "He" or "It"? and ask for discernment if you read all of it)
"11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:11-14
"2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." Revelation 11:2-3
And in Daniel 9:27 it says "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Revelation 13:17
As for the daily sacrifice, since it no longer exists in the New Testament (forgiveness of sins through burnt offerings, animal sacrifice) it is most likely speaking of our rights in worship and praise, praying, and communion (and things concerning of Gods chosen people, the Israelites).
"27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:27
(Read Revelation 13, it speaks more of the beast. And this speaks of the Great Tribulation, it's just scripture and this speaks of the 7 year Tribulation, also ask for discernment again.)
Also about the Great Tribulation and the 7 year Tribulation, ask God about that because even I am a bit confused as to why there is two different time periods, but this is just what I know, so I am not putting my input on that.
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" 1 Corinthians 3:16
"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Romans 6:16
"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people." 2 Corinthians 6:16
"In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:" Ephesians 2:21
""Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.." Daniel 11:37
"And he shall speak great words against the most High." Daniel 7:25
"5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven" Revelation 13:5-6
"10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days." Daniel 12:10-13
Jesus speaks of this also in Matthew 24, Mark 13,and in Luke 21
(also the beast is an it, it takes on many forms, read this and scroll down to where it says Is the Horn "He" or "It"? and ask for discernment if you read all of it)
"11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:11-14
"2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." Revelation 11:2-3
And in Daniel 9:27 it says "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Revelation 13:17
As for the daily sacrifice, since it no longer exists in the New Testament (forgiveness of sins through burnt offerings, animal sacrifice) it is most likely speaking of our rights in worship and praise, praying, and communion (and things concerning of Gods chosen people, the Israelites).
"27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:27
(Read Revelation 13, it speaks more of the beast. And this speaks of the Great Tribulation, it's just scripture and this speaks of the 7 year Tribulation, also ask for discernment again.)
Also about the Great Tribulation and the 7 year Tribulation, ask God about that because even I am a bit confused as to why there is two different time periods, but this is just what I know, so I am not putting my input on that.
My view.......70th week of Daniel as applied unto Israel.....
First half (almost) was accomplished during the ministry of grace by Jesus to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus put an end to the sacrifices by his death burial and resurrection
When the tribulation period kicks off there will be 1290 days before the IMAGE is reared and all commanded to worship it.
Obvious Daniel 12 is directed at Israel and we find 1335 days applied unto Israel at the end of the age and I break it down this way...
30 days of something (peace)..when they say peace and safety sudden destruction cometh 1st Thessalonians 5
1260 days of tribulation directed at the saints<---AC wears out and makes war against them 3.5 years/1260 days or 42 months
45 days of wrath post RESURRECTION/CHANGE at the 7th trump
Image will be set at the 1290th day and all will worship it whose names are not written in the book of the living....
I personally believe it will be the final moment that men/women/children have to choose God and then the fiery ORGE (wrath) of God will be poured without mixture upon the kingdom of the beast and his followers....
Note Israel became a nation again in 1947/48 lets do some math....
1947/48 plus 70 equals 2018
2018-3.5 years/30 days/45 days=couple months left for a start date......just my view based upon 24 years research........
First half (almost) was accomplished during the ministry of grace by Jesus to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus put an end to the sacrifices by his death burial and resurrection
When the tribulation period kicks off there will be 1290 days before the IMAGE is reared and all commanded to worship it.
Obvious Daniel 12 is directed at Israel and we find 1335 days applied unto Israel at the end of the age and I break it down this way...
30 days of something (peace)..when they say peace and safety sudden destruction cometh 1st Thessalonians 5
1260 days of tribulation directed at the saints<---AC wears out and makes war against them 3.5 years/1260 days or 42 months
45 days of wrath post RESURRECTION/CHANGE at the 7th trump
Image will be set at the 1290th day and all will worship it whose names are not written in the book of the living....
I personally believe it will be the final moment that men/women/children have to choose God and then the fiery ORGE (wrath) of God will be poured without mixture upon the kingdom of the beast and his followers....
Note Israel became a nation again in 1947/48 lets do some math....
1947/48 plus 70 equals 2018
2018-3.5 years/30 days/45 days=couple months left for a start date......just my view based upon 24 years research........
J
I also hold to that literal view, that, at some point, Judaism in Israel will have a temple and go back to animal sacrifice. The antichrist will invade and take over Israel, will order sacrifice ceased, will proclaim himself to be God in the temple, perhaps set up an idol or image of himself in the temple, but it involves the antichrist trying to publicly usurp God in the middle of the tribulation.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
P
So we have a couple of thoughts on it. No one has refuted my understanding. As Dcon agreed, daily sacrifices were ended by our sacrificial lamb, Jesus Christ. About 1290 AD the abomination of desolation was set in place. What was that? Was there something epic that occurred at that time? I was hoping someone would have something. I will spend some time looking back at history to find that, if I can.
GodIsSalvation, it isn't literally days. In prophecy something that represents something MUST remain consistent. If a week is 7 years in one scripture, a day can't represent a day in the next. If that is the case, prophecy would be completely indecipherable. There is no nilly-willy symbolism in biblical prophecy.
GodIsSalvation, it isn't literally days. In prophecy something that represents something MUST remain consistent. If a week is 7 years in one scripture, a day can't represent a day in the next. If that is the case, prophecy would be completely indecipherable. There is no nilly-willy symbolism in biblical prophecy.
I believe it is literally days. My reasoning is for one this verse in Daniel states the time era in which the Abomination shall be set up for days. Note in Revelation when the image of the beast is set up it is given power for 42 months. That literally comes out to the same number of days that Daniel prophesied.
The Abomination of Desolation was not set up in 1290 AD. It has not been set up yet, but one sad day it must be.
The Abomination of Desolation was not set up in 1290 AD. It has not been set up yet, but one sad day it must be.
L
Daniel 12:11 KJV
(11) And from the time the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
If you notice that I have deleted the words in italics which have been added by the translators. The daily is a reference to the sanctuary service. The daily service as a whole not just the sacrifices. Since Jesus is our high priest in the sanctuary above then it is referring to a spiritual battle. Satan tries to blind people to the truth of God that we go to Jesus rather than a priest for forgiveness, which is what the Papacy teaches.
(11) And from the time the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
If you notice that I have deleted the words in italics which have been added by the translators. The daily is a reference to the sanctuary service. The daily service as a whole not just the sacrifices. Since Jesus is our high priest in the sanctuary above then it is referring to a spiritual battle. Satan tries to blind people to the truth of God that we go to Jesus rather than a priest for forgiveness, which is what the Papacy teaches.
P
One of the worst things that man does, is to believe something that isn't proven as false, to be true without proof it is true. We see it in politics, environmental science, medicine, astronomy, just about every field imaginable, as well as religion. There are many end time theories that are given credence simply because they haven't been proven to be false. Yet no one questions their credibility when they can't be proven to be true.
1 Peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"
Isaiah 53:10 "Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
The daily sacrifices may not have ceased at Christ's death, but they were supposed to. That is one of the reasons for His death. There are still people keeping the law, keeping the sabbath, but they aren't supposed to. Christ fulfilled the law on the cross, along with our need to offer a sacrifice. The point of cessation of sacrifices is important because 1290 years from there the setup of the desolation occurred.
So back to the original question, what happened in 1290 to set up the abomination of desolation? Desolation is loneliness, emptyness, destruction. The abscence of God is what this desolation is. When you search you will find that point in time where this was set up. I am trying to get you to study. That is what God wants us to do. Do you do it enough that will approve?
1 Peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"
Isaiah 53:10 "Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
The daily sacrifices may not have ceased at Christ's death, but they were supposed to. That is one of the reasons for His death. There are still people keeping the law, keeping the sabbath, but they aren't supposed to. Christ fulfilled the law on the cross, along with our need to offer a sacrifice. The point of cessation of sacrifices is important because 1290 years from there the setup of the desolation occurred.
So back to the original question, what happened in 1290 to set up the abomination of desolation? Desolation is loneliness, emptyness, destruction. The abscence of God is what this desolation is. When you search you will find that point in time where this was set up. I am trying to get you to study. That is what God wants us to do. Do you do it enough that will approve?
J
Same here. The only hoopla of the literalist interpretation, which I also definitively subscribe to, is where the extra 30 days comes from of what would be 1,260 days of the 360 day prophetic year, pointed to in the Prophecy of Weeks. This is something people talk about, this or that theory, but which nobody could know, things I, personally, don't find consequential in the schemes of things. Some matters can be interesting to talk about, but matters we can't know now.
Thought upon it, prayed upon it, studied it, and lived it for at least 1,028 days.
Today, Tuesday, July 7, 2015 A.D., is the 1,029th day in the count of those 1,290 days. (oddly enough, today's count is even an anagram of that amount)
The first part of the verse is something of a 'no-brainer' in that if the Jerusalem Temple priests didn't cease daily sacrifice due to the events of early Christianity, they certainly had to when the Temple was destroyed/plundered in 70 A.D.
But it is the middle part of the verse which has baffled so many for, literally, thousands of years.
Yet careful study of events foretold in both the Old and New Testaments shows that certain things must occur for the abomination of desolation to be "set up".
In 2 Thess. 2:6, we are told that this abomination (man of sin, son of perdition, Antichrist) "shall reveal himself in his own time".
That "own time" is the period of 1,290 days.
And that "man of sin, son of perdition, Antichrist" is foretold no less than three times in the Book of Daniel : 8:23, 11:3-4, and 11:21.
In Daniel 8:23-24 we are shown that he "shall be strengthened, but not by his own force", and that this would occur when "sinners have reached their measure" (the mass apostasy).
That is the "setting up" of Daniel 12:11 in action.
This is the kingship into which I have been resurrected.
Any valid interpretation of Daniel 12:11 must include these parameters, and also show forth the conclusion unto the 1,335th day of verse 12.
That is why all the 'classical' interpretations have failed, they never panned out in time, only as hypotheses, and reckless ones at that.
Today, Tuesday, July 7, 2015 A.D., is the 1,029th day in the count of those 1,290 days. (oddly enough, today's count is even an anagram of that amount)
The first part of the verse is something of a 'no-brainer' in that if the Jerusalem Temple priests didn't cease daily sacrifice due to the events of early Christianity, they certainly had to when the Temple was destroyed/plundered in 70 A.D.
But it is the middle part of the verse which has baffled so many for, literally, thousands of years.
Yet careful study of events foretold in both the Old and New Testaments shows that certain things must occur for the abomination of desolation to be "set up".
In 2 Thess. 2:6, we are told that this abomination (man of sin, son of perdition, Antichrist) "shall reveal himself in his own time".
That "own time" is the period of 1,290 days.
And that "man of sin, son of perdition, Antichrist" is foretold no less than three times in the Book of Daniel : 8:23, 11:3-4, and 11:21.
In Daniel 8:23-24 we are shown that he "shall be strengthened, but not by his own force", and that this would occur when "sinners have reached their measure" (the mass apostasy).
That is the "setting up" of Daniel 12:11 in action.
This is the kingship into which I have been resurrected.
Any valid interpretation of Daniel 12:11 must include these parameters, and also show forth the conclusion unto the 1,335th day of verse 12.
That is why all the 'classical' interpretations have failed, they never panned out in time, only as hypotheses, and reckless ones at that.
F
12:11 repeats what's in 9:26-27 about it, and Rev 13.
The last 3 1/2 years before Jesus steps back on earth.
1260 days.
The extra 30 days are to cleanse the temple.
The Greek situation always interests me. Because I understand from Dan 8 that his nationality is Greek,
like the previous types of Alexander and Antiochus.
The last 3 1/2 years before Jesus steps back on earth.
1260 days.
The extra 30 days are to cleanse the temple.
The Greek situation always interests me. Because I understand from Dan 8 that his nationality is Greek,
like the previous types of Alexander and Antiochus.
E
there is nothign in that time period which would fulfill that role of the prophesy. (there was not a temple then, and had not been since AD70)
Sacrifice and burnt offering never removed sin, so to say the cross stopped it is irrevelent, they continued up until AD 70 until titus fulfilled the prophesy of the people of the prince who is to come destroying the city and sanctuary. God himself had not been in the inner sanctum for hundreds of years (
Many people believe the time speaks of the middle of the last 7 years it is 30 days longer than the middle. there could be a few explnations which could fit. but I doubt we will know until it happens.
Sacrifice and burnt offering never removed sin, so to say the cross stopped it is irrevelent, they continued up until AD 70 until titus fulfilled the prophesy of the people of the prince who is to come destroying the city and sanctuary. God himself had not been in the inner sanctum for hundreds of years (
Many people believe the time speaks of the middle of the last 7 years it is 30 days longer than the middle. there could be a few explnations which could fit. but I doubt we will know until it happens.
P
I strongly disagree.
I would challenge all who read this to do some sober and serious minded research about a place called "Acre" around 1290.
The "fall of Acre" was planned in 1290 and finished in 1291.
Just read about it and let your mind dwell on the combatants and circumstances surrounding that event in history.
I would challenge all who read this to do some sober and serious minded research about a place called "Acre" around 1290.
The "fall of Acre" was planned in 1290 and finished in 1291.
Just read about it and let your mind dwell on the combatants and circumstances surrounding that event in history.
I
So your saying the destruction of Acre (by the way which I didn't find that date associated with Acre) is what Daniel 12:11 is speaking of?
So we have Daniel who was a prophet who was concerned about the Jewish peole and prophecied Jesus's death in 9:26,27 where the sacrifices and oblation will cease 9:27 just as the daily sacrifices will be taken away 12:11, and, he just starts talking about Acre?
So we have Daniel who was a prophet who was concerned about the Jewish peole and prophecied Jesus's death in 9:26,27 where the sacrifices and oblation will cease 9:27 just as the daily sacrifices will be taken away 12:11, and, he just starts talking about Acre?
