Daniel 12:11

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eternally-gratefull

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I strongly disagree.


I would challenge all who read this to do some sober and serious minded research about a place called "Acre" around 1290.
The "fall of Acre" was planned in 1290 and finished in 1291.
Just read about it and let your mind dwell on the combatants and circumstances surrounding that event in history.
Oh so the jewish temple was rebuilt in jerusalem at that time?

Did history forget to let us know about this and properly document it?
 
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My viewis that Christ put an end to the sacrifice and fulfilled the almost 1st half of the 70th week with the last half 1335 days being the false peace, 1260 days of tribulation and 45 days of wrath....with the 1290th day being the day the abomonation is set with the demand to worship the image......a very slight summation I might add!
 
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I am interested to know what this means to those of you who have thought upon it.

When you see those two events happen there will be a total of 1,335 days all together before the millennial reign of Christ begins.

As 1,260 days (42 months or 3 1/2 years) are given to the man of sin to kill Christians and Jews.
The next 30 days is given for the sealing, gathering, and return of the Lord; And then the final 45 days is given to God's wrath to be poured out in the vial judgments......
 
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LOL, PURE FANTASY! :p

Has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dan 12v11...
Really? So you actually read about the fall of Acre and are sure you are right? (insert rolleyes here)

Oh so the jewish temple was rebuilt in jerusalem at that time?

Did history forget to let us know about this and properly document it?
Where does that passage say anything about rebuilding jerusalem?
Do you always put words in the bible you think should be there?
The Siege of Acre (also called the Fall of Acre) took place in 1291 and resulted in the loss of the Crusader-controlled city of Acre to the Muslims. It is considered one of the most important battles of the period. Although the crusading movement continued for several more centuries, the capture of the city marked the end of further crusades to the Levant. When Acre fell, the Crusaders lost their last major stronghold of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Acre_(1291)
Qalawun, father of Khalil, conquered the County of Tripoli in 1289, and in 1290 marched on Acre, the capital of the remnant of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, but, to the relief of the Franks of Acre, he died in November before launching the attack. He was succeeded by Khalil who decided to continue the attack. Khalil sent a message to William of Beaujeu,[SUP][10][/SUP] the Master of the Temple, telling him about his intentions to attack Acre and urging him not to send messengers or gifts.[SUP][11][/SUP] But a delegation from Acre led by Sir Philip Mainebeuf,[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP] arrived in Cairo [SUP][14][/SUP] with gifts and appealed to Khalil not to attack Acre. Khalil did not accept the request and imprisoned the Frank messengers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ashraf_Khalil

This is where the muslims started their permanent war with christianity.
With the fall of the last christian stronghold the muslims started their reign of terror.
This is a significant event and the timeline is very much in line with Daniel's prophecy.
 
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When you see those two events happen there will be a total of 1,335 days all together before the millennial reign of Christ begins.

As 1,260 days (42 months or 3 1/2 years) are given to the man of sin to kill Christians and Jews.
The next 30 days is given for the sealing, gathering, and return of the Lord; And then the final 45 days is given to God's wrath to be poured out in the vial judgments......

I also wanted to add that I do not see a period of 1,290 days between the daily sacrifice and A.O.D.

The reason being is because it does not say;

Between these two there will be.........

or

From the daily sacrifice to the A.O.D. will be.......


No is says from the daily sacrifice "and" the A.O.D. will be 1,290 days, meaning those days come after both events as they happen similtaniously !!! Not between or to the other............

"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."
 
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Really? So you actually read about the fall of Acre and are sure you are right? (insert rolleyes here)

Where does that passage say anything about rebuilding jerusalem?
Do you always put words in the bible you think should be there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ashraf_Khalil

This is where the muslims started their permanent war with christianity.
With the fall of the last christian stronghold the muslims started their reign of terror.
This is a significant event and the timeline is very much in line with Daniel's prophecy.
well lets see. We are talking about an OT prophet. Who would have understood, an abomination of desolation CAN ONLY TAKE PLACE in a most holy place of a temple of God. Then I must interpret it as such.

Again, when was the temple rebuilt?
 
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Many believe the 42 months mentioned in Revelation should be taken literally, like a literal 3 and a half year tribulation period. But I believe the 42 months is a sign (symbolism) of time which should be spiritually discerned.

Let’s look at why this 42 months, or 1,260 days is not a literal 3 and half years, but is rather symbolic of time. In Revelation 12:5-6 we read “
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (1,260 days or 42 months)

Most would agree this verse is speaking about the birth of Jesus Christ, and his being caught up to God, and the woman being the sign of the spiritual Israel, because these are those who “ have the testimony of Jesus Christ” as seen in Rev. 12:17.

But no matter who you believe the woman represents, the timing of when she fled into the wilderness is shown to be right after the “man-child” Jesus was caught up to God and to His throne.”

This time is confirmed again here in
Revelation 12:14 “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, times, and half a time and, from the face of the serpent.” So now we have this same 1,260 days also shown as “time, times, and half a time” which is also mentioned in the book of Daniel 12:7.

This prophecy given to Daniel had to do with a “time of trouble such as the world has never seen” (Daniel 12:1) Which Jesus also mentioned in
Matthew 24:21 concerning the great tribulation following right after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad. And this time period would run all the way to the redemption of Gods people as Daniel was also told in Daniel chapter 12… “at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book of Life.”

And then there is mention of the resurrection as mentioned here in Daniel 12:2 “
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”


Then this time is confirmed in Daniel 12:7 “
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”


So according to the word of the Lord, all those things mentioned to Daniel shall be finished in that same time period.

Now let’s look at how this time period is also shown as the same amount of time given to the fullness of the Gentiles.
Jesus spoke of “after the tribulation of those days” in accordance with the tribulation period of the Jews as it also relates the fullness of the Gentiles. (“that all things which are written may be fulfilled” Luke 21:22)

In
Luke 21:24 Jesus says “ And they(Jews) shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”


So how long was the times of the Gentiles? Well, were given that time as well in scripture.


Revelation 11:2 “But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This confirms the Gentile ingathering period, the tribulation of those days, and all those things being fulfilled as listed in the book of Daniel could not possibly be a literal 42 months, or 1,260 days, but rather it is a sign of time.

We also know by Paul’s words that this time of the Gentiles being fulfilled would be marked by ungodliness being removed from Jacob.

Romans 11:25 “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”

And finally one more confirmation that this 1,260 days is symbolic is found in Daniel 12:10-13 “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (1,290 days)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.(1,335 days)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

We know by Jesus’ words, scripture, and history when the abomination of desolation was set up, and when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad. And by these verses above, and the numbers of days given to the end above, that the 42 months, or 1,260 days cannot possibly be a literal amount of time, but rather symbolic.


Be not deceived.
 
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The 1,290 days in Daniel 12:11 matches the witnesses in Rev.11:3.
 
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Do you always put words in the bible you think should be there?

This is where the muslims started their permanent war with christianity.
It is almost ironic that you ask such a question and pose such an answer.

Speaking of looking into circumstances, when Mohammed had his visitation from an angel, he was told to "recite".

At that time of visitation, there was no Koran, Hadiths, or Surahs that supposed followers of Mohammed have today.

The most important writing at the time was the Holy Bible.

Mohammed was told to recite the Holy Bible because no where in the Holy Bible did Christ say that the Holy Spirit proceeded from Him, yet an oral recitation (called the filioque) had begun in error against such fact hundreds of years before the visitation to Mohammed.

God had had enough of people trying to put words into His mouth.

But Mohammed's family had other plans to promote the visitation to a different level.

Such promotion began as early as the 7th century, so the date of 1290 A.D. as a decided point of conflict against Christianity is not even close.

But more importantly as to your original question, it is an unfounded assumption that 1,290 days must be interpreted as 1,290 years.
 
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Be not decieved....the bible is full of literal meaning and not everything is to be spiritualized away!

As some do....God inspired the very words and there is yet a specific number of DAYS that deal with Israel.......!
 
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Many believe the 42 months mentioned in Revelation should be taken literally, like a literal 3 and a half year tribulation period. But I believe the 42 months is a sign (symbolism) of time which should be spiritually discerned.
then it is not prophesy at all. For prophesy must be fulfilled literally, or God tells us the prophet is to be seen as a false prophet, and not from God.


Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously;

DO NOT SPIRITUALISE PROPHESY, you make the GOD OF THE UNIVERSE no better than pagan Gods.
 
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then it is not prophesy at all. For prophesy must be fulfilled literally, or God tells us the prophet is to be seen as a false prophet, and not from God.


Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously;

DO NOT SPIRITUALISE PROPHESY, you make the GOD OF THE UNIVERSE no better than pagan Gods.
Par for the course with him.......
 
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then it is not prophesy at all. For prophesy must be fulfilled literally, or God tells us the prophet is to be seen as a false prophet, and not from God.


Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously;

DO NOT SPIRITUALISE PROPHESY, you make the GOD OF THE UNIVERSE no better than pagan Gods.
The events will literally happen but the time is symbolic, an example of this would be the 70 weeks of Daniel which was also a sign of time, not to be taken as a literal 490 days. :)
 
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The events will literally happen but the time is symbolic, an example of this would be the 70 weeks of Daniel which was also a sign of time, not to be taken as a literal 490 days. :)
the 70 weeks of daniel or literally 70 weeks of years. Not 490 days, not even daniel would have thought this ( you need to study what a week means in hevrew)

time can never be symbolic. or it destroys the purpose of a prophesy, to prove God is the one true God.

so. no. You would NEVER make a symbol of time in prophesy, every OT prophesy which had a time table was literally fulfilled. (even daniel 9 speaks of Daniel KNOWING the literal time of Jeremiahs prophesy against Israel was comming to an end)
 
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the 70 weeks of daniel or literally 70 weeks of years. Not 490 days, not even daniel would have thought this ( you need to study what a week means in hevrew)

time can never be symbolic. or it destroys the purpose of a prophesy, to prove God is the one true God.

so. no. You would NEVER make a symbol of time in prophesy, every OT prophesy which had a time table was literally fulfilled. (even daniel 9 speaks of Daniel KNOWING the literal time of Jeremiahs prophesy against Israel was comming to an end)
ROFL! A literal 70 weeks would be 490 days, not years. LOL! That was my point! :)
 
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ROFL! A literal 70 weeks would be 490 days, not years. LOL! That was my point! :)
lol. Well if that is what daniel was told. you may be right.

but he was told seventy sevens (literaly 70 weeks of years)

so your point is MUTE. because your misinterpreting what Daniel was told.

oh and by the way, Daniel was told 69 weeks of years after the command to restor jerusalem, messiah the prince would appear. and he would be cut off (killed) at the end of that period. If we look at historical data, that time period was LITERALLY FULFILLED
 
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The events will literally happen but the time is symbolic, an example of this would be the 70 weeks of Daniel which was also a sign of time, not to be taken as a literal 490 days. :)
That works with the 70 weeks prophecy because an interpretation follows explaining such detail.

The introduction of 1,290 days comes after Daniel asks for interpretation, concerning which he is told that the interpretation is closed and sealed until the time of the end.

Then the specifics of the time of the end are set forth.

The abomination of desolation cannot be realized outside of the 1,290 days.

This is confirmed in 2 Thess. 2:6.

The assumption that it can be realized outside of the 1,290 days is what has produced unfulfilled interpretations of the time of the end for thousands of years.

The conflict of Daniel 11:40 is the same way.

The conflict is foretold to occur at the time of the end.

There is an exact date for that conflict, and I have the signature of that king of the south that proves it to be November 8, 2012 A.D.
 
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The events will literally happen but the time is symbolic, an example of this would be the 70 weeks of Daniel which was also a sign of time, not to be taken as a literal 490 days. :)

Go do a history study on the first 69 weeks of Daniel's prophecy and you will find they lasted exactly 483 years, or in other words 1 prophetic week is 7 years in length. Therefore the final 70th week also must be a period of 7 years, with the final half of it which would be equal to 3 1/2 years, 42 months, and 1,260 days by the Jewish calendar..........
 
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lol. Well if that is what daniel was told. you may be right.

but he was told seventy sevens (literaly 70 weeks of years)

so your point is MUTE. because your misinterpreting what Daniel was told.

oh and by the way, Daniel was told 69 weeks of years after the command to restor jerusalem, messiah the prince would appear. and he would be cut off (killed) at the end of that period. If we look at historical data, that time period was LITERALLY FULFILLED

Yes which is why the Lord's earthly ministry could not be the first half of the 70th week, because the scripture in Daniel clearly says the Lord is cut off (crucified) at the end of the 69th week. Not 3 1/2 years after it !!!
 
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Yes which is why the Lord's earthly ministry could not be the first half of the 70th week, because the scripture in Daniel clearly says the Lord is cut off (crucified) at the end of the 69th week. Not 3 1/2 years after it !!!
No.

Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week.

I have explained why that is so in other threads.

"The math does not add up the way you think it does."

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