Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?

Eva1218 · Aug 28, 2014

What one needs to know is that Sabbath means Rest not the day one enters a building for church service. Many people use this topic out of order and context in fact one can go to church everyday, worship GOD everyday. GOD has not set apart one day for which one is to serve HIM and the other six days to do as one please. Don't just read study the scriptures. The scriptures even speak on the earth doing sabbath when one did not take from its harvest. Here are some scriptures you can study on.
Lev 23:23 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
Lev 23:25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev 16:31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mar 1:21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.

Also keep in mind JESUS is the Sabbath we Rest in HIM!

Blessings!!!!!!!

Kerry · Aug 28, 2014

Eva1218 said:

What one needs to know is that Sabbath means Rest not the day one enters a building for church service. Many people use this topic out of order and context in fact one can go to church everyday, worship GOD everyday. GOD has not set apart one day for which one is to serve HIM and the other six days to do as one please. Don't just read study the scriptures. The scriptures even speak on the earth doing sabbath when one did not take from its harvest. Here are some scriptures you can study on.
Lev 23:23 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
Lev 23:25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev 16:31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mar 1:21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.

Also keep in mind JESUS is the Sabbath we Rest in HIM!

Blessings!!!!!!!

Amen and Praise God. Jesus is our rest. We have no rest without Him, without Him we are slaves to sin and slaves have no rest, they are worked to the bone.

Scuba · Aug 28, 2014

Kerry said:

You are not a free agent. You will have to be a slave to something.

Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

sparkman · Aug 28, 2014

john832 said:

Regarding this, it's one example of where Herbert Armstrong, the founder of your theology, was wrong.

The Sabbath from which the starting point for counting 50 days was the annual Sabbath, not the weekly Sabbath. The Jews have observed this day, called Shavuot, for millennia. Herbert Armstrong's claim that they were incorrect in their interpretation of Scripture concerning their festivals is ridiculous. With his incredible vanity, though, it doesn't surprise me that he thought he knew more than them about their own laws.

chubbena · Aug 29, 2014

watcher2013 said:

I didn't say that. I do believe the beast is composed of different religious systems though.

achduke · Aug 29, 2014

sparkman said:

Christ is our example. The pharisees and sadducees were very learned but still did not understand the Word of God. Christ was the First Fruits at the weekly Sabbath. If he was the First Fruits at the annual Sabath or the 1st day of Unleavened Bread then he would have only been in the ground 1 day and not for 3.

Matthew 12:40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

JaumeJ · Aug 29, 2014

I certainly believe and know Jesus Christ is my Passover Lamb. Also, since God does not lie, Jesus Christ was crucified and He was in the tomb three days, raised on the third day. As Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights*, so was our Savior. Paise Jesus Christ; He is worthy, amen.

* Feel free to post on what day our Lord was cricified, and what day He was raised up. He did say three days and three nights.

Scuba · Aug 29, 2014

Are you still with us?

JaumeJ · Aug 29, 2014

Mat 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Jesus Christ is teaching us to learn "of Him." If we learn only from others we fall into the danger of being burdened down, especially if we fall into the hands of Pharisees. The rest Jesus Christ gives to our souls is His light burden in teaching, it is not the Sabbath rest, for that is to come.

Below we are taught there remains (future) a rest to the people of God, and that we must labor to enter into that rest.

Heb 4:9
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

We have not yet begun to reign with our King. Many speak and teach as though they have already begun to reign with Jesus Christ, yet they are not yet perfected. How can this be?
Yes we will all reign with Jesus Christ as is promised, but while we remain out of the Kingdom and in this age, we must work to enter into that rest. If you honestly believe you are resting, knowing all of this, then keep on resting, but remember the Children of God must work to enter into His rest.
　

　

TruthFromFrank · Aug 29, 2014

Kaycie said:

Nowhere in any of the texts that you quoted do the words "Lords Day" appear. You just accepted it as it is being taught by the church and that is why you have quoted it. Just look at it again and try and see what I am saying. I do not say that the gathering of people of people on the first day of the week or Sunday is wrong, but to substitute it for the Sabbath is wrong. To reject God's Sabbath is wrong. To ignore the Sabbath Commandment is wrong. To say that the Sabbath is part of Moses' law is wrong. God wrote the Law or Commandments with His finger on stone to show the permanency of it, and in fact, He did it twice, why do you want to ignore what God is telling you? Even Jesus Christ held the Sabbath. Paul also made a statement that the Commandments be held until Jesus comes again. In Revelations last chapter you will read that no word or letter or anything be added or left out from the law of God. Am I wrong?

TruthFromFrank · Aug 29, 2014

watcher2013 said:

Scuba provided a verse but not the correct information:
From your own statement:
"There is no other text specifically that links the Commandments, which includes the Sabbath command to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob"

Anything beyond what was written is an assumption...as proven by your following sentence:

"But because Abraham being the father"

You see now....Because there is no proven truth of your first statement....you are following your statement with self justification...by ASSUMING/ SPECULATING...

a simple biblical fact. For 2000 years no Sabbath keepers were ever mentioned...not until moses.

It was indeed before the tablets...and there is no question about it..

but have you look at the verses before:
Exo 16:23and he told them, "This is what the LORD said: 'Tomorrow is a Sabbath observance, a holy Sabbath to the LORD. Bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil, and put aside whatever remains to be kept for yourselves until morning.'"
Exo 16:24They put it away until morning, as Moses commanded, and it did not smell bad, and there were no maggots in it.
Exo 16:25Moses said, "Eat it today, since today is a Sabbath to the LORD, and today you won't find it in the field.
Exo 16:26For six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there won't be any."

Exo 16:27

Nevertheless, that seventh day some of the people went out to gather, but they did not find any.

There was a commandment from the Lord given at that time (vs.23) pertaining to that day...
and in verse 26 it was very clear...

Six days gather...on the seventh day NONE.

and in verse 27...See how some of the people went out to GATHER...(only to further support that they do not know what is the WHOLE ISSUE About the Sabbath)

and that is why...The ISSUE about the SABBATH were explained even further in the following verses:

Exo 16:28 Then the LORD asked Moses, "How long will you people refuse to keep my commandments and my instructions?
Exo 16:29 You see that the LORD has given you the Sabbath, and so on the sixth day he gives you food for two days. Let each person stay where he is; let no one leave his place on the seventh day."

look at the conclusion in verse 30:

Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

Because they now know the purpose of gathering twice on the sixth day...

LET ME ASK YOU?
those people who gathered on the Seventh day, were they put to death?

Sorry, but your question is irrelevant to the subject being discussed.

watcher2013 · Aug 29, 2014

TruthFromFrank said:

Its very relevant...

You were proving that there was a Sabbath command even before the Moses/Tablets and you gave exo 16 as an example.

Breaking the Sabbath from the tablets is death.

Why were those who went out and gathered on Sabbath were not put to death????

Because they only begin to understand the Sabbath command at that time...

There was no Sabbath Command from Abraham , Isaac and Jacob

Scuba · Aug 29, 2014

watcher2013 said:

The people God was speaking to were slaves in Egypt for the past 400 years. They were heavily influenced by pagan gods and practices. God even had to make a law that said don't sleep with your mother or your love stock. Of course God had to teach them all his ways from scratch.

watcher2013 · Aug 29, 2014

Scuba said:

The people God was speaking to were slaves in Egypt for the past 400 years. They were heavily influenced by pagan gods and practices. God even had to make a law that said don't sleep with your mother or your love stock. Of course God had to teach them all his ways from scratch.

were they circumcised?

prove-all · Aug 29, 2014

watcher2013 said:

they aplied and excepted the passover blood,

they keep unleavened feast as commanded still today,

they where babtized in water,

and drank from the rock of Christ

BlackPlatypus · Aug 29, 2014

TruthFromFrank said:

To the contrary. The subject being discussed is the Sabbath. Their question is relevant.

vic1980 · Sep 4, 2014

TruthFromFrank said:

Living by the Spirit has nothing to do with observing sabbath,special days and months, and seasons and years!

Go read galatians 5

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

You are not preaching the Gospel of Christ Bro , your preaching law you have fallen from grace.

This is my last reply to you, may God open your eyes and heart to His truth may God Bless you in Jesus name amen

TruthFromFrank · Sep 14, 2014

vic1980 said:

I agree that there is no law against the fruit of the Spirit as you quoted from Gal. 5:22. This does however not confirm that the Ten Commandments are not valid anymore. My concern is that people ignore the Commandments of God when it is still valid. The Commandments were never abolished or nullified. Did you know that the Gospel of Christ spells out that you need to keep the Commandments until He comes again? It has been written by the same author of Galatians. Do yourself a favour and read 1 Tim 6:14 to confirm this. If you do love God you will also keep the Commandments and there are many texts to prove this. If you need the references, just ask. You cannot say that you have not been warned.

Mac4Yuma · Sep 15, 2014

Scuba said:

I am lost on this forum as to a simple way to find my posts. I will just say that Jesus said He is the example to follow and He keep Saturday over 85 times as an example.

Mac.

sparkman · May 11, 2015

The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant
Exodus 34:28 “So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the word of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 31:18 “And he gave to Moses when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deut 4:13 “And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone”.
Deut 9:9 “When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you.”
Deut 9:11 “And at the end of forty days and forty nights the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and Israel, not God and Christians
Ex 31:12-17 And the Lord said to Moses, “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.”
The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for ANYONE
Heb 8:13-9:4 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. For a tent was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table, and the bread of the Presence. It is called the Holy Place. Behind the second curtain was a second section called the Most Holy Place, having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.
Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterwards, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith
Gal 3:25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a guardian
2 Cor 3:4-18 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even much more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
The Sabbath, as part of the Old Covenant, is not in affect for ANYONE
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
Rom 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Col 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ
Jesus is our Sabbath or spiritual rest, and we enter into that spiritual rest by placing our faith in Him
Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and lean from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Heb 4:1-8 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest. “ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.”. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today”, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted. “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had not given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from is works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Christians are under the New Covenant, which has much higher demands and different commandments
Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.”
Heb 9:15 Therefore, he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Jn 15:12 This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Jn 15:17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
I am a former Sabbathkeeper due to my association as a new believer with Worldwide Church of God (now called Grace Communion International). Worldwide Church of God came to realize in 1995 that Christians are under the New Covenant, and not the Old Covenant, and the Sabbath does not apply to Christians under the New Covenant. It was a sign of the Old Covenant (like baptism and the Lord’s Supper are signs of the New Covenant), and is not a moral absolute like Sabbathkeepers claim. Sabbathkeeping doctrine invariably takes the focus off the true gospel, which is about Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith in Him (Eph 2:8-9). As a Sabbathkeeper, I rarely heard messages about God’s grace and love; the message of such organizations invariably focuses on the Sabbath. Jesus Christ was also placed on the backburner and was not the focus of their teaching. If you would like good sources of information in regards to the Sabbath check out Grace Communion International’s website at https://www.gci.org/law I now attend an Evangelical Free church that focuses on Jesus Christ and salvation through Him, which is the true gospel.

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