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I to disagree with the oneness doctrine. it is a new idea only just over 100 years old, plus I find whenever someone or
church organisation disagrees with the doctrine of the trinity other errors start to appear ie talking in toungues, seperate
baptism of the Holy Spirit and also in the UPCI statement of faith there start to lean towards legalism in how people
should have there hair and how they should dress. I'm not sure if this denomination is classed as a cult or are they
Christian. Jehovahs witnesses have corrupted the doctrine of the trinity and so have mormons and as I believe
they are not Christians so what about the UPCI? now I know believeing in the trinity does not save a man or woman
it is believing in Jesus Christ alone and what He has done for us, but I would think we have to know the real Jesus
of the bible and not a false Christ. any thoughts?
church organisation disagrees with the doctrine of the trinity other errors start to appear ie talking in toungues, seperate
baptism of the Holy Spirit and also in the UPCI statement of faith there start to lean towards legalism in how people
should have there hair and how they should dress. I'm not sure if this denomination is classed as a cult or are they
Christian. Jehovahs witnesses have corrupted the doctrine of the trinity and so have mormons and as I believe
they are not Christians so what about the UPCI? now I know believeing in the trinity does not save a man or woman
it is believing in Jesus Christ alone and what He has done for us, but I would think we have to know the real Jesus
of the bible and not a false Christ. any thoughts?
I do not believe that the oneness doctrine sprang up around one hundred years ago but the trinity doctrine became popular so not too many people knew about the oneness doctrine because they were being taught the trinity doctrine by the Roman Catholic Church.
I believe the letters to the 7 Churches in Revelation to be how the Church age would go from the time it started until Jesus comes back.
It seems there was a problem with all Churches except the 6th Church which before the 6th Church they were in a lot of spiritual deception and then the 7th Church they were increased with goods and say they have need of nothing which we see going on now with people claiming to be with Christ that seek after money and material things.
The 6th Church seems to be when they got away from the spiritual deception and got back to truth which seems to be the apostolic movement.
I have read through the Bible and there is no trinity.
The Bible says that there is only one God,the Father,and the Son shall be called the everlasting Father because He is God the Father showing people a visible manifestation of Himself,which Jesus said if you see the Father then you have seen Him,for you can only see God if He shows you a visible manifestation.
I believe there is only one God who is a Holy Spirit and that is why the Spirit moved upon the face of the deep,and Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit,and the Spirit dwells in the saints.
Father is a title for God the Holy Spirit and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
In the Old Testament the Father said He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them,and the Son inherited the name from the Father,which Jesus said He came in His Father's name,and the Son's name is Jesus,and the Spirit comes in the name of Jesus,which Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.
The book of Luke says baptize in Jesus' name,and Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,were all baptized in Jesus' name.
I believe Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,are not 3 persons in one God,but the 3 relationships God has with His children designated by titles.
Father-parent of the saints.
Son-the visible relationship to the saints.
Spirit-the invisible relationship to the saints.
But it is the same God with no distinction of persons doing it all.Created all things,showed us a visible manifestation of Himself,and dwells in the saints.
The Bible says God calls things that has not happened as though they already happened because if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it already happened for it will surely come to pass,which the Bible says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world although we know it did not happen until 4000 years later,which means everything that is a future event in the beginning is the same as if it already happened in the beginning.
Adam was made in the image of God and in another place Adam was created in the image of Christ.The image of God is the image of Christ.
Let us make man in our image is God and His Son the man Christ Jesus which the Son can be in the beginning even though He was not born until 4000 years later which He was made of a woman,made under the law and i anothwer place made according to the flesh.
God had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He laid down the foundation of the world and created Adam in the image that He would show up in the future and that is an innocent nature in flesh,so the let us make man is God and His Son the man Christ Jesus.
The Bible says that there is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.The man Christ Jesus is our savior for only a sinless man can approach a holy God on mankind's behalf.No man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh and reconciled sinful mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony.
Jesus at the right hand of God means God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power because He is our savior and must reign until a certain point in time when all of His enemies are conquered then the Son shall stop reigning that God may be all in all.
But of course the Son is God in a visible manifestation so God is in charge but He is ruling through His humanity with the power of God for humanity's sake.
The trinity throws up too many contradictions for me to believe in a trinity and the Bible says there is only one God the Father.
I believe the letters to the 7 Churches in Revelation to be how the Church age would go from the time it started until Jesus comes back.
It seems there was a problem with all Churches except the 6th Church which before the 6th Church they were in a lot of spiritual deception and then the 7th Church they were increased with goods and say they have need of nothing which we see going on now with people claiming to be with Christ that seek after money and material things.
The 6th Church seems to be when they got away from the spiritual deception and got back to truth which seems to be the apostolic movement.
I have read through the Bible and there is no trinity.
The Bible says that there is only one God,the Father,and the Son shall be called the everlasting Father because He is God the Father showing people a visible manifestation of Himself,which Jesus said if you see the Father then you have seen Him,for you can only see God if He shows you a visible manifestation.
I believe there is only one God who is a Holy Spirit and that is why the Spirit moved upon the face of the deep,and Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit,and the Spirit dwells in the saints.
Father is a title for God the Holy Spirit and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
In the Old Testament the Father said He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them,and the Son inherited the name from the Father,which Jesus said He came in His Father's name,and the Son's name is Jesus,and the Spirit comes in the name of Jesus,which Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.
The book of Luke says baptize in Jesus' name,and Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,were all baptized in Jesus' name.
I believe Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,are not 3 persons in one God,but the 3 relationships God has with His children designated by titles.
Father-parent of the saints.
Son-the visible relationship to the saints.
Spirit-the invisible relationship to the saints.
But it is the same God with no distinction of persons doing it all.Created all things,showed us a visible manifestation of Himself,and dwells in the saints.
The Bible says God calls things that has not happened as though they already happened because if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it already happened for it will surely come to pass,which the Bible says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world although we know it did not happen until 4000 years later,which means everything that is a future event in the beginning is the same as if it already happened in the beginning.
Adam was made in the image of God and in another place Adam was created in the image of Christ.The image of God is the image of Christ.
Let us make man in our image is God and His Son the man Christ Jesus which the Son can be in the beginning even though He was not born until 4000 years later which He was made of a woman,made under the law and i anothwer place made according to the flesh.
God had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He laid down the foundation of the world and created Adam in the image that He would show up in the future and that is an innocent nature in flesh,so the let us make man is God and His Son the man Christ Jesus.
The Bible says that there is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.The man Christ Jesus is our savior for only a sinless man can approach a holy God on mankind's behalf.No man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh and reconciled sinful mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony.
Jesus at the right hand of God means God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power because He is our savior and must reign until a certain point in time when all of His enemies are conquered then the Son shall stop reigning that God may be all in all.
But of course the Son is God in a visible manifestation so God is in charge but He is ruling through His humanity with the power of God for humanity's sake.
The trinity throws up too many contradictions for me to believe in a trinity and the Bible says there is only one God the Father.
God is one God in three distinct persons (Why Modalism is Unbiblical):
Modalism teaches that God just puts on a mask or takes on a title or name. It teaches that there is no difference between the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit. Which is is not what the Bible teaches.
Why is it unbiblical?
Well, the Bible clearly teaches that there are distinctions within the persons of the Godhead. Here are a couple of quick points why the Scriptures are against the idea of Modalism.
#1. The word Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) is both a singular and a plural noun.
#2. God refers to Himself in plural form (Genesis 1:26) (Genesis 3:22) (Genesis 11:7) (Isaiah 6:8).
#3. Plurality of God in New Testament (Matthew 28:19) (2 Corinthians 13:14) (John 14:16-20).
#4. Introductions to both the Son & Holy Spirit (Daniel 7:9,10,13,14) (John 14:16)
#5. Different persons of Godhead appear at one time (Luke 3:21-22)
#6. Distinctions of Wills (Luke 22:42).
#7. Conversations Between the Godhead (Psalm 2:1-12) (Psalm 45:6-7) (Psalm 110:1) (Matthew 11:27) (John 17:24).
Also, I imagine those who believe in Modalism like to quote 1 John 5:7 as proof text for their case, too.
However, they also have to look at what else John has written on this topic, too. For in the beginning of the gospel of John, it says this...
John 1:1-2 KJV - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."
Modalism teaches that God just puts on a mask or takes on a title or name. It teaches that there is no difference between the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit. Which is is not what the Bible teaches.
Why is it unbiblical?
Well, the Bible clearly teaches that there are distinctions within the persons of the Godhead. Here are a couple of quick points why the Scriptures are against the idea of Modalism.
#1. The word Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) is both a singular and a plural noun.
#2. God refers to Himself in plural form (Genesis 1:26) (Genesis 3:22) (Genesis 11:7) (Isaiah 6:8).
#3. Plurality of God in New Testament (Matthew 28:19) (2 Corinthians 13:14) (John 14:16-20).
#4. Introductions to both the Son & Holy Spirit (Daniel 7:9,10,13,14) (John 14:16)
#5. Different persons of Godhead appear at one time (Luke 3:21-22)
#6. Distinctions of Wills (Luke 22:42).
#7. Conversations Between the Godhead (Psalm 2:1-12) (Psalm 45:6-7) (Psalm 110:1) (Matthew 11:27) (John 17:24).
Also, I imagine those who believe in Modalism like to quote 1 John 5:7 as proof text for their case, too.
However, they also have to look at what else John has written on this topic, too. For in the beginning of the gospel of John, it says this...
John 1:1-2 KJV - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."
Without the Person of Jesus, the Atonement is denied
What Modalism is actually saying is that the separate person of Jesus Christ, the Son, is not real and never died on the cross because He does not exist. A separate Person does not exist. Only the Father (or Almighty God) exists and changes his face to turn into and look like the Son. This is a bold denial of God as a whole (since Jesus Christ is fully 100% God) and a denial of the work of the existing Second Person of God: the Son.
A human example would be that a Father agreed with his son that he would go out and pay an extremely expensive price for criminals to be free from their death sentences, and that his son would own them and they would be given to him; and he would show them compassion. After hearing about freedom from their judicial punishments of death because of the son’s payment, those criminals— instead of going with the son who bought them— believe the father is actually the one who bought them because he morphed into the mode of the son. Furthermore, the criminals claim that the son who actually bought them with his father’s urging does not even exist. They believe only the father exists and shifts into a different looking mode to become his own son, but is still the exact same person as there is not a son person and a father person, but only a father person who shifts modes. He just changed into the son. So the son who actually bought them with an extremely expensive price is denied as well as his hard work earning the payment for them to be free. This is a major insult to the son. But in reality the only way they could be free is if they understand that the son is actually a real person who exists and is not the father, and they follow him. Because since these criminals deny the son who bought them, and instead believe his father shape shifted into a son to become him, that real son that exists separately from his father will deny them in the presence of his father.
Modalism denies Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that if you deny Jesus Christ (being the Son of God, a separate Person from the Father, and separate from the Person of the Holy Spirit), He will deny you in the presence of God the Father. Jesus Christ Himself said, “For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory and that of the Father and the holy angels” (Luke 9:26). Jesus in Luke 12:9 also said, “…but whoever denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.” So it is obvious that Modalism denies Christ despite the fact they try to claim they promote Jesus and follow Him. The Oneness “Jesus” is a “false Jesus” that does not exist and profanes, and blasphemies the true living, eternal, Son of God. It misplaces credit for propitiation onto the Father, when propitiation was strictly something the Son did. Romans 3:24 says that the redemption is in Christ Jesus, and in verse 25 it says, “God presented Him as the propitiation through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His restraint God passed over sins previously committed.” It does not say that the Father was the propitiation. 1 John 2:2 explicitly states that Jesus Christ alone was the propitiation: “He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for those of the whole world.” Since the Trinity is true, Modalism is denying God by claiming the Person of the Son does not exist. 1 John 2:23 expresses it simply, “No one who denies the Son can have the Father…” All repentant sinners become Christians who receive salvation. Christians are saved because they call on the name of the Lord and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. If someone repents to a false God that does not exist, one that denies the existence of the Person of the Son, they will not have salvation. Romans 10:9 says, “…if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” If a person claims this verse for a Modalistic Jesus, one that denies the Person of the Son, there is no power for salvation.
Modalism denies the Father’s ability to be a righteous judge
Not only is Modalism an offense to the Person of the Son, but it offends the Person of the Father by ignoring His sacrificial giving of His one and only Son, the Son which He loves so much in relation within the Godhead; and it claims instead that He is the one who died and gave the propitiation for sins. Ignoring the extreme sacrifice the Father allowed to happen to His precious Son is an extreme insult to the love of the Father for sinners that He would allow His own Son (who was willing) to be punished in their place; and not only that, but that the Father is the one who gave out all of the crushing punishment to His own Son. Isaiah 54:6 says, “The LORD has punished Him for the iniquity of us all.” Also, 2 Corinthians 5:21 states, “He made the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”Modalism denies God this glory and insults the Father. The Father remained pure and untouched by sin and is the righteous judge that gave out His wrath onto Christ. If Modalism is true it means that God existing in one person, being the Father would have became sinful and then killed himself. There would be no righteous judge untouched by sin able to pour out the wrath. It would be the Father becoming sin on His own and then punishing Himself. This idea cancels out a pure and holy Person who is able to remain innocent who can judge sin. In reality, since the Trinity is what is true, there is a righteous and clean judge untouched by sin that was able to pour out His wrath onto Jesus Christ (who was made sin willingly by the Father) and complete the ability for salvation to be completed. To deny the Father’s giving of His real eternally existing Son is blasphemy, and it cancels out the ability for salvation. Such a person as the “god father” of Modalism does not exist and it profanes the true Father’s work. Therefore, Modalism completely denies the true Father.
1 John 2:22 firmly states, “He is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.”
Of course the most basic reason why Modalism cancels out salvation is that if the Trinity is true, it means that God is Three-As-One and anything other than a triune God does not exist. Worshiping a God that does not exist is idolatry. Modalism is a false religion and God commands that there should never be any other gods worshiped besides Him (Exodus 20:3). There is no forgiveness of sins if a person puts their trust into a false god. Just because the name of a false God uses the same titles and names as the true, triune God of Scripture does not mean it is the same God. Matthew 24:24 claims there will be false Christ’s coming, and 1 Corinthians 11:4 says that people can preach a different Jesus and a different spirit and Christians should not put up with it.
The modalistic god denies the Eternal Person of the Son, thus meaning they deny the true God and profane His atonement.
Article Source:
http://whitedragonawa.wordpress.com/...mnable-heresy/
What Modalism is actually saying is that the separate person of Jesus Christ, the Son, is not real and never died on the cross because He does not exist. A separate Person does not exist. Only the Father (or Almighty God) exists and changes his face to turn into and look like the Son. This is a bold denial of God as a whole (since Jesus Christ is fully 100% God) and a denial of the work of the existing Second Person of God: the Son.
A human example would be that a Father agreed with his son that he would go out and pay an extremely expensive price for criminals to be free from their death sentences, and that his son would own them and they would be given to him; and he would show them compassion. After hearing about freedom from their judicial punishments of death because of the son’s payment, those criminals— instead of going with the son who bought them— believe the father is actually the one who bought them because he morphed into the mode of the son. Furthermore, the criminals claim that the son who actually bought them with his father’s urging does not even exist. They believe only the father exists and shifts into a different looking mode to become his own son, but is still the exact same person as there is not a son person and a father person, but only a father person who shifts modes. He just changed into the son. So the son who actually bought them with an extremely expensive price is denied as well as his hard work earning the payment for them to be free. This is a major insult to the son. But in reality the only way they could be free is if they understand that the son is actually a real person who exists and is not the father, and they follow him. Because since these criminals deny the son who bought them, and instead believe his father shape shifted into a son to become him, that real son that exists separately from his father will deny them in the presence of his father.
Modalism denies Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that if you deny Jesus Christ (being the Son of God, a separate Person from the Father, and separate from the Person of the Holy Spirit), He will deny you in the presence of God the Father. Jesus Christ Himself said, “For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory and that of the Father and the holy angels” (Luke 9:26). Jesus in Luke 12:9 also said, “…but whoever denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.” So it is obvious that Modalism denies Christ despite the fact they try to claim they promote Jesus and follow Him. The Oneness “Jesus” is a “false Jesus” that does not exist and profanes, and blasphemies the true living, eternal, Son of God. It misplaces credit for propitiation onto the Father, when propitiation was strictly something the Son did. Romans 3:24 says that the redemption is in Christ Jesus, and in verse 25 it says, “God presented Him as the propitiation through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His restraint God passed over sins previously committed.” It does not say that the Father was the propitiation. 1 John 2:2 explicitly states that Jesus Christ alone was the propitiation: “He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for those of the whole world.” Since the Trinity is true, Modalism is denying God by claiming the Person of the Son does not exist. 1 John 2:23 expresses it simply, “No one who denies the Son can have the Father…” All repentant sinners become Christians who receive salvation. Christians are saved because they call on the name of the Lord and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. If someone repents to a false God that does not exist, one that denies the existence of the Person of the Son, they will not have salvation. Romans 10:9 says, “…if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” If a person claims this verse for a Modalistic Jesus, one that denies the Person of the Son, there is no power for salvation.
Modalism denies the Father’s ability to be a righteous judge
Not only is Modalism an offense to the Person of the Son, but it offends the Person of the Father by ignoring His sacrificial giving of His one and only Son, the Son which He loves so much in relation within the Godhead; and it claims instead that He is the one who died and gave the propitiation for sins. Ignoring the extreme sacrifice the Father allowed to happen to His precious Son is an extreme insult to the love of the Father for sinners that He would allow His own Son (who was willing) to be punished in their place; and not only that, but that the Father is the one who gave out all of the crushing punishment to His own Son. Isaiah 54:6 says, “The LORD has punished Him for the iniquity of us all.” Also, 2 Corinthians 5:21 states, “He made the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”Modalism denies God this glory and insults the Father. The Father remained pure and untouched by sin and is the righteous judge that gave out His wrath onto Christ. If Modalism is true it means that God existing in one person, being the Father would have became sinful and then killed himself. There would be no righteous judge untouched by sin able to pour out the wrath. It would be the Father becoming sin on His own and then punishing Himself. This idea cancels out a pure and holy Person who is able to remain innocent who can judge sin. In reality, since the Trinity is what is true, there is a righteous and clean judge untouched by sin that was able to pour out His wrath onto Jesus Christ (who was made sin willingly by the Father) and complete the ability for salvation to be completed. To deny the Father’s giving of His real eternally existing Son is blasphemy, and it cancels out the ability for salvation. Such a person as the “god father” of Modalism does not exist and it profanes the true Father’s work. Therefore, Modalism completely denies the true Father.
1 John 2:22 firmly states, “He is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.”
Of course the most basic reason why Modalism cancels out salvation is that if the Trinity is true, it means that God is Three-As-One and anything other than a triune God does not exist. Worshiping a God that does not exist is idolatry. Modalism is a false religion and God commands that there should never be any other gods worshiped besides Him (Exodus 20:3). There is no forgiveness of sins if a person puts their trust into a false god. Just because the name of a false God uses the same titles and names as the true, triune God of Scripture does not mean it is the same God. Matthew 24:24 claims there will be false Christ’s coming, and 1 Corinthians 11:4 says that people can preach a different Jesus and a different spirit and Christians should not put up with it.
The modalistic god denies the Eternal Person of the Son, thus meaning they deny the true God and profane His atonement.
Article Source:
http://whitedragonawa.wordpress.com/...mnable-heresy/
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Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
It's a pretty hard act to follow, where you have the Three Persons interacting here while in reality there is supposed to be only One Person.
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
It's a pretty hard act to follow, where you have the Three Persons interacting here while in reality there is supposed to be only One Person.
J
Just impossible to conceive the Spirit of God in all believers can be in Three Persons. Use the word "Trinity," out the door of the Kingdom Hall with you! The word Trinity is not in the Bible, like the word Bible is, else Bibles wouldn't exist, either. Next thing you know, people will be claiming Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit some Counsellor, before you know it, people coming around to the Kingdom Hall at dinner hour, reading John 1 from some real Bible!
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
F
I believe in the trinity for one only God can forgive sins yes? Jesus openly forgave sins all the time but if he wasnt God what he did was blasphemy. Also the argument that the word trinity isnt in the bible is a poor argument, I mean T.v. isnt in the bible yet it exists the bible isnt in it yet it exists coffee isnt in it but it exists, You see what I mean?
J
Just a little joke. The Watchtower is a magazine the Jehovah's Witnesses put out, of course Jehovah's Witnesses denying the full deity of Jesus Christ. You get varying degrees of takes on this from them, some seem to backpedal the Lord Jesus being God-lite, get nervous as denying Him the respect of God when forced into a corner of scripture, but not a one ever assenting to the Lord Jesus being Almighty God of the Old Testament, Jesus affirmatively lower than this to them. One JW told me the Lord Jesus was the angel Michael incarnate. Kingdom Halls are what they call their meeting places.
J
Ah I see, thats actually a very clever joke
V
I do not believe the manifestation of the voice or the dove requires a separate hypostasis outside of God who was in Christ. First of all, the others that were there that heard the voice and saw the dove did not appear to have a "revelation" of who God really is, or to say that God is different than they had believed, for obviously the jews of the OT did not know God to exist as three "persons," and thus there is no indication of this during or after the baptism, nor is there in the entire gospel.
It was the voice of Jesus Father, the One who, though present in Him, and also having begotten Him, was no calling Him for a special purpose. In the OT it was considered that heaven was the dwelling place of God. There were unique occasions when Yahweh would tangibly and literally be present at times on earth. However, these occasions were exceptions and were temporary in nature. Other than dwelling in heaven and manifesting as a theophany, it could be understood that God was present in covenant relationship, especially in the context of worship. But suggesting that God's abode is in heaven, does not limit Him at the same time from ruling the cosmos, controlling, ruling, operating, and sustaining his creation. Because of His power and his nature, he could rule in the heavens, hear petitions of prayer, and even demonstrate and manifest himself on Earth that emphasized his presence. Even at the incarnation, heaven was still considered the abode or dwelling place of God, even while the creator resides a man among men. it was yahweh who became uniquely manifest in the human being of Jesus Christ, inextricably integrated into the makeup of this human being from the moment of conception. This is what Paul refers to as the mystery of Godliness. So while "God was in Christ, reconciling himself to the world," just as He did in the OT and manifested himself in various phenomena beyond his abode in heaven, so now God could continue to demonstrate his power and purpose beyond his dwelling place in Christ.
It was the voice of Jesus Father, the One who, though present in Him, and also having begotten Him, was no calling Him for a special purpose. In the OT it was considered that heaven was the dwelling place of God. There were unique occasions when Yahweh would tangibly and literally be present at times on earth. However, these occasions were exceptions and were temporary in nature. Other than dwelling in heaven and manifesting as a theophany, it could be understood that God was present in covenant relationship, especially in the context of worship. But suggesting that God's abode is in heaven, does not limit Him at the same time from ruling the cosmos, controlling, ruling, operating, and sustaining his creation. Because of His power and his nature, he could rule in the heavens, hear petitions of prayer, and even demonstrate and manifest himself on Earth that emphasized his presence. Even at the incarnation, heaven was still considered the abode or dwelling place of God, even while the creator resides a man among men. it was yahweh who became uniquely manifest in the human being of Jesus Christ, inextricably integrated into the makeup of this human being from the moment of conception. This is what Paul refers to as the mystery of Godliness. So while "God was in Christ, reconciling himself to the world," just as He did in the OT and manifested himself in various phenomena beyond his abode in heaven, so now God could continue to demonstrate his power and purpose beyond his dwelling place in Christ.