The new covenant with Christ Jesus

[just-me]

Re: The new covenant "WITH" Christ Jesus

There is no "new covenant with Christ" in the NT.

It is not for us to improve the word of God.

Do you look at the covenant with Jesus as a spectator in the audience because you cannot comprehend how you can be involved with Christ's covenant? A spectator can describe a play after watching the plot, but have no idea of what it took to make it riveting. My goodness gal, you haven't comprehended that Jesus came to include you, not to just describe His covenant from a distance. Be respectful of what I wanted this thread to say. I'm laughing but not because it's funny. It's particular. Leave the title alone and put on the yoke with Christ and walk with Him. Don't just look at where He's going.

 

[just-me]

Re: The new covenant "WITH" Christ Jesus

From previous post

I'm laughing but not because it's funny. It's *particular. Leave the title alone and put on the yoke with Christ and walk with Him. Don't just look at where He's going.

It's also funny (strange) that I didn't catch "particular" when I meant peculiar. Particular is decisive, and peculiar is strange. Could be both ways though.LOL

 

[Elin]

Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

There is no "new covenant with Christ" in the NT.

It is not for us to improve the word of God.

Do you look at the covenant with Jesus as a spectator in the audience because you cannot comprehend how you can be involved with Christ's covenant? A spectator can describe a play after watching the plot, but have no idea of what it took to make it riveting. My goodness gal, you haven't comprehended that Jesus came to include you, not to just describe His covenant from a distance. Be respectful of what I wanted this thread to say. I'm laughing but not because it's funny. It's particular. Leave the title alone and put on the yoke with Christ and walk with Him. Don't just look at where He's going.

Non-responsive.

It's not for us to improve the word of God with our own notions.
Be respectful of the word of God.

 

[just-me]

Re: The new covenant "WITH" Christ Jesus

Non-responsive.

It's not for us to improve the word of God with our own notions.
Be respectful of the word of God.

If the shoe fits ware it. Of course you will need a horn if it's too small for your enlarged foot. LOL
I changed the name of the thread back again, for about the 7th or 8th time now, so it reads as it should, and to denote we are in covenant with Christ. Adding to that is not the point or even slightly insinuated. The point is to follow what the covenant says, not to add or subtract to it, and not to back of at a distance and point to it as you seem to want. If you don't want to walk with Jesus that's your business but it is wrong to entice others to look at it from your elevated plateau. You act like a spoiled child.

Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; (1 Timothy 5:1)

 

[Elin]

Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

If the shoe fits ware it. Of course you will need a horn if it's too small for your enlarged frame of mind. LOL
I changed the name of the thread back again, for about the 7th or 8th time now, so it reads as it should, and to denote we are in covenant with Christ. Adding to that is not the point or even slightly insinuated. The point is to follow what the covenant says, not to add or subtract to it, and not to back of at a distance and point to it as you seem to want. If you don't want to walk with Jesus that's your business but it is wrong to entice others to look at it from your elevated plateau.

We are the recipients of God's covenant cut in the blood of Christ.

There is nothing we do to fulfill the new covenant.

 

[just-me]

Re: The new covenant "WITH" Christ Jesus

We are in covenant with God.

That's my girl. Put them together.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? (John 14:8-9)

There is another way to look at the thread title, and I ask is Jesus involved with the New Covenant with God? Yes or no

Now I know where your question came from 3 days ago asking "Is Jesus God? Yes or no.
Evidently your answer would be an emphatic no. Right?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Can we just discuss without quoting anything from this 2000 year old bible?

Why, sure! There are other subjects, words not even in the Bible. For instance, the word "troll." We could talk about the psychology surrounding the internet troll, the deep feelings of inadequacy, the anger, the incessant need for attention, even negative attention, the desperation so deep. We could perhaps explore how anonymity proves how the troll psychological pathology supersedes any personal dignity.

But, then again, this is a BIBLE DISCUSSION FORUM.

DUH!

 

[Elin]

Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

We are in covenant with God.

Misquote of my post which you linked above, which was as follows:

We are the recipients of God's covenant cut in the blood of Christ.

There is nothing we do to fulfill the new covenant.

That's my girl. Put them together.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? (John 14:8-9)

There is another way to look at the thread title, and I ask is Jesus involved with the New Covenant with God? Yes or no

Both God the Son as well as God the Holy Spirit were involved in the new covenant,
but we are in covenant only with God the Father.

Though one being, the three persons of the Trinity and their offices are separate and distinct.

God the Father decrees, not God the Son or God the Holy Spirit.

God the Son accomplishes the decrees, not God the Father or God the Holy Spirit.

God the Holy Spirit applies the benefits of the accomplished decrees, not God the Father or God the Son.

 

[just-me]

So all can see my understanding relating "covenant" with a home/house. Granted, a covenant is an agreement between at least 2 parties, nevertheless more than 2 parties can be involved with the agreement written by the instigator which (in this case) is our heavenly Father together with His only begotten Son Jesus Chriat. In Colossians chapter 1 we read that Jesus is the creator of all things.

Going back to the home/house thing. If the Father builds a house, and the first born inhabits that house with his brothers and sisters, then they are together and "WITH" each other. On the same token, Jesus instigated the covenant because He is the creator of all things, His sacrifice is defiantly involved with the covenant that He initiated and we are involved with His sacrifice. The covenant also says that nothing will be added to or subtracted from the original. We would not be in covenant with Him if we did that even though the covenant would still legitimate for others who abide by it. There is no need to change what is already perfect. Stick with it, and stick "WITH" Christ.

 

[just-me]

When Jesus was accentuating the commandments of love to His disciples He said....."If ye love me, keep my commandments." Then He said "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 14:15 and John 15:10 The commandments of Jesus are the same as His Father's. Right?

Now, what is a mediator? One who is a go between, between 2 parties that are at conflict with each other.

"And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel." Hebrews 12:24

Now if I hired a law firm to mediate a discrepancy, they would have to write the contents of the agreement/covenant that both parties would have to agree to. The mediator of the New Covenant of the Bible is the One who wrote and fulfilled the stipulations of the agreement. The Covenant couldn't have been done without Him. Get the drift? (with or without) I choose "with."

 

[Elin]

Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

So all can see my understanding relating "covenant" with a home/house.

Shoe horning again. . .

Granted, a covenant is an agreement between at least 2 parties, nevertheless more than 2 parties can be involved with the agreement written by the instigator which (in this case) is our heavenly Father together with His only begotten Son Jesus Chriat.

So you never did learn the meaning of a bilateral covenant and a unilateral covenant,
which is the source of your misunderstanding the new covenant now.

Your ignorance is culpable.

In Colossians chapter 1 we read that Jesus is the creator of all things
Going back to the home/house thing. If the Father builds a house, and the first born inhabits that house with his brothers and sisters, then they are together and "WITH" each other.
On the same token,

How. . .what ever are you saying?

Jesus instigated the covenant

In the Trinity, only God the Father instigates.

because He is the creator of all things ,

God the Son is the creator of all things in the sense of Ge 1, of the original creation,
of all that was brought into existence in the beginning.

Shoe-horning again. . .

His sacrifice is defiantly involved with the covenant that He initiated

In the Trinity only God the Father initiates.

and we are involved with His sacrifice.

Our involvement is that of a recipient of the new covenant with God the Father,
not a participant with God the Son in the new covenant.

The covenant also says that nothing will be added to or subtracted from the original

There is nothing such stated of the new covenant.

We would not be in covenant with Him if we did that

We aren't in covenant with God the Son now, and never were.

You don't know what a unilateral or a bilateral covenant is,
and therefore you don't know the nature of the new covenant.

Such butchering of the NT.

 

[just-me]

In Colossians chapter 1 we read that Jesus is the creator of all things
Going back to the home/house thing. If the Father builds a house, and the first born inhabits that house with his brothers and sisters, then they are together and "WITH" each other.
On the same token,

Shoe horning again. . .


So you never did learn the meaning of a bilateral covenant and a unilateral covenant,
which is the source of your misunderstanding the new covenant now.

Your ignorance is culpable.


How. . .what ever are you saying?

You should have quoted the rest of the sentence that I wrote, then you would know. Selective understanding is the same as willful ignorance related to ignore. Good grief this is certainly entertaining in a sadistic way . LOL What I highlighted in big red letters is all you quoted. I even had a hard time understanding it. LOL

So all can see my understanding relating "covenant" with a home/house. Granted, a covenant is an agreement between at least 2 parties, nevertheless more than 2 parties can be involved with the agreement written by the instigator which (in this case) is our heavenly Father together with His only begotten Son Jesus Chriat. In Colossians chapter 1 we read that Jesus is the creator of all things.

Going back to the home/house thing. If the Father builds a house, and the first born inhabits that house with his brothers and sisters, then they are together and "WITH" each other. On the same token, ****Jesus instigated the covenant because He is the creator of all things, His sacrifice is defiantly involved with the covenant that He initiated and we are involved with His sacrifice. The covenant also says that nothing will be added to or subtracted from the original. We would not be in covenant with Him if we did that even though the covenant would still legitimate for others who abide by it. There is no need to change what is already perfect. Stick with it, and stick "WITH" Christ.

Re-read the original quote, and with that I'll finish the sentence so you can understand what the scripture says if you read what I wrote twice over.**** "Jesus instigated the covenant because He is the creator of all things, His sacrifice is defiantly involved with the covenant that He initiated and we are involved with His sacrifice.

Now for your selective understanding I will quote the scripture I was referring to.

Colossians 1:12-18
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist .
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence .

Get the drift?

 

[Elin]

Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

Re-read the original quote, and with that I'll finish the sentence so you can understand what the scripture says if you read what I wrote twice over.**** "Jesus instigated the covenant because He is the creator of all things,

Previsouly addressed.

His sacrifice is defiantly involved with the covenant that He initiated and we are involved with His sacrifice.

Previously addressed.

Now for your selective understanding I will quote the scripture I was referring to.

Colossians 1:12-18
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist .
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence .

Previously addressed. . .

And non-responsive. . .simply repeating your former statements without making a response to my addressing of them.

 

[just-me]

Re: The new covenant "WITH" Christ Jesus

Previsouly addressed.


Previously addressed.


Previously addressed. . .

And non-responsive. . .simply repeating your former statements without making a response to my addressing of them.

You didn't get it and still don't. The response is Jesus is the creator of all things. Colossians 1:16 Need I say more? I'll change the name of the thread back to the original again from what you keep wanting it to say because you cannot comprehend. That's why I repeated.

 

[just-me]

"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together , and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast . For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Wherefore remember , that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:"
Ephesians 2:5-12

 

[cfultz3]

So all can see my understanding relating "covenant" with a home/house. Granted, a covenant is an agreement between at least 2 parties, nevertheless more than 2 parties can be involved with the agreement written by the instigator which (in this case) is our heavenly Father together with His only begotten Son Jesus Chriat. In Colossians chapter 1 we read that Jesus is the creator of all things.

Going back to the home/house thing. If the Father builds a house, and the first born inhabits that house with his brothers and sisters, then they are together and "WITH" each other. On the same token, Jesus instigated the covenant because He is the creator of all things, His sacrifice is defiantly involved with the covenant that He initiated and we are involved with His sacrifice. The covenant also says that nothing will be added to or subtracted from the original. We would not be in covenant with Him if we did that even though the covenant would still legitimate for others who abide by it. There is no need to change what is already perfect. Stick with it, and stick "WITH" Christ.

Just Me, people understands what you are saying. Why, then, continue in that spiral of words? Aren't you soar yet from being dragged? Come now, let us not share in the subverting of the hearers. If you feed disrespect, even a toddler will go along with it......


P.S. Don't cha think she is doing that to upset you...You know that the Law Of Christ says to do evil (harm) one to another

 

[Elin]

The response is Jesus is the creator of all things.

Previously addressed.

There is no "new covenant with Christ Jesus" in the NT.

That is your alteration of God's word.

'Nuff said. . .

 

[just-me]

Just Me, people understands what you are saying. Why, then, continue in that spiral of words? Aren't you soar yet from being dragged? Come now, let us not share in the subverting of the hearers. If you feed disrespect, even a toddler will go along with it......


P.S. Don't cha think she is doing that to upset you...You know that the Law Of Christ says to do evil (harm) one to another

Good point, I guess I just wanted others to see enough to maybe report her and then the visitors alike will not be confused. The other thing that I reckon I didn't consider is that it is less likely for people that can read this stuff to join CC. Elin really don't bother me that much, but it is aggravating that there is an option open for anyone to change the thread title any time they want. That isn't Elin's aggravation so much as it is CC leaving that option open to all. I don't see the purpose. The option should only be left to the author, ya think? I will obey this scripture.

2 Timothy 2:10-14
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer , we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not , yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14 Of these things put them in remembrance , charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers .

Thanks for the reminder brother. God's speed

 

[just-me]

What I agree with.

The legs of the disabled hang limp and useless the same as common sense truth is in the mouth of a fool because it has been given to us to know the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but it has not been given to them. Anyone who has something will receive much more, but anyone who has nothing, what he does have will vanish.

This is why Jesus taught in parables and they look without seeing and listen without hearing or understanding. There is a prophecy in the Old Testament that says it is a fact that you hear, but you don't understand. You see, but you don't get the point! People who have a heart condition such as this are given ears of fat so they cannot hear and then they shut their eyes. If that wasn't so they could see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and then they just might repent and be healed! It is certain that what true believers speak about because they know and give evidence of what they have seen, some of you people refuse to accept this evidence! If people don't believe the truth about the things of the world, how will they believe when they are told about heavenly things? Proverbs 26:7 Matthew 13:10-14 Isaiah 6:9-10 John 3:11-12

Genesis 3:15 KJV And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 

[Elin]

What I agree with.

The legs of the disabled hang limp and useless the same as common sense truth is in the mouth of a fool because it has been given to us to know the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but it has not been given to them. Anyone who has something will receive much more, but anyone who has nothing, what he does have will vanish.

This is why Jesus taught in parables and they look without seeing and listen without hearing or understanding. There is a prophecy in the Old Testament that says it is a fact that you hear, but you don't understand. You see, but you don't get the point! People who have a heart condition such as this are given ears of fat so they cannot hear and then they shut their eyes. If that wasn't so they could see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and then they just might repent and be healed! It is certain that what true believers speak about because they know and give evidence of what they have seen, some of you people refuse to accept this evidence! If people don't believe the truth about the things of the world, how will they believe when they are told about heavenly things? Proverbs 26:7 Matthew 13:10-14 Isaiah 6:9-10 John 3:11-12

Genesis 3:15 KJV And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

I note the omission of Jesus is God, equal with God the Father, as it was plain to the Jews that he not only claimed:

Jn 8:58 - "I tell you the truth. Before Abraham was born, I AM."

Jn 10:33 - "We are stoning you. . .for blaspheming, because you a mere man claim to be God."

Jn 5:18 - "For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him. . .
he was. . .making himself equal with God."

Mt 9:6 - "So that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins. . .
Get up, take your mat and go home."

Mk 2:7 - "He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?"

but also showed, in doing what God does (Jn 5:19):

as the Father works, so the Son works (miracles) - Jn 5:17,
as the Father gives life, so the Son gives life (Jn 5:21),
as the Father is Judge, so the Son is Judge (Jn 5:22),
as the Father is to be honored, so the Son is to be honored (Jn 5:23),
as the Father has life in himself, so the Son has life in himself (Jn 5:26),
as the Father sends with authority and power, so the Son sends with authority and power (Jn 20:21),
as the Father confers the kingdom, so the Son confers the kingdom (Lk 22:29),
as the Father is Lawgiver, so the Son is Lawgiver (Mt 5:23-47, 12:7-8, 19:9, 21:23-27, chp 23).

His name is Immanuel, "God with us." (Mt 1:23).